KMC chain question

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On Apr 20, 6:31 pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
Kenneth wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:31:02 -0400, Nate Nagel
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Anyway there
was some verbiage in the little instruction sheet about never using a
chain tool to press the pins in or out of the chain. I guess that
essentially means that once you install the chain you can never remove
it
Howdy,
Maybe I am missing something, but why could you not just
"unclip" the Power Link...?
Directly quoting from the instructions:

"Note: Once the Missing Link is installed, it is just like any other
link. Because of the integrated positive locking mechanism, it must be
removed with a chain tool. Warning: because this chain has specially
riveted pins, the original pins should never be used to re-connect the
chain. Always use Missing Link connecting link. Ignoring these
instructions may result in serious injury due to breakage."

For some reason I thought it said Power Link not Missing Link. Anyway
it seems pretty clear that KMC doesn't want you to mess with the chain
once installed. My gut tells me that this is just legalese BS but I was
hoping someone more knowledgeable might chime in if there really is
something to that "specially riveted pins" stuff.

I haven't tried to remove it yet, but I think it would probably require
two pairs of needlenose pliers (one to press the side plates together
and one to squeeze the rollers together) and that would probably weigh
more than a small chain tool if one were wanting to carry a full toolkit
for a long ride.

nate

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I have KMC chains with power links. They are links that can be removed
by hand, but once properly installed they won't come out. To remove
the power link you need to squeeze the plates together and them push
the pins towards each other. This should "brake" the power link and
the chain can be removed. I don't know if my description made sense. I
remove and clean/lubricate my chains every 4 months or so or whenever
I feel that they need to be cleaned and lubricated.

4 months? Does it never rain where you ride?

All modern chains,
except for shimano work with some sort of a power link.

Shimano work well with Sram links (9 speed) or Connex links (10 speed).

Lou

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I have KMC chains with power links. They are links that can be removed
by hand, but once properly installed they won't come out. To remove
the power link you need to squeeze the plates together and them push
the pins towards each other. This should "brake" the power link and
the chain can be removed. I don't know if my description made sense. I
remove and clean/lubricate my chains every 4 months or so or whenever
I feel that they need to be cleaned and lubricated. All modern chains,
except for shimano work with some sort of a power link.

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About 25 years ago I used to have a tool that squeezed the link together. It
was V shaped with a hook on each end of the V facing each other to catch the
chain rollers and squeeze the link by means of a threaded clamp.

On Apr 21, 11:01*am, Lou Holtman wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 20, 6:31 pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
Kenneth wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:31:02 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:
Anyway there
was some verbiage in the little instruction sheet about never using a
chain tool to press the pins in or out of the chain. *I guess that
essentially means that once you install the chain you can never remove
it
Howdy,
Maybe I am missing something, but why could you not just
"unclip" the Power Link...?
Directly quoting from the instructions:

"Note: Once the Missing Link is installed, it is just like any other
link. *Because of the integrated positive locking mechanism, it must be
removed with a chain tool. *Warning: because this chain has specially
riveted pins, the original pins should never be used to re-connect the
chain. *Always use Missing Link connecting link. *Ignoring these
instructions may result in serious injury due to breakage."

For some reason I thought it said Power Link not Missing Link. *Anyway
it seems pretty clear that KMC doesn't want you to mess with the chain
once installed. *My gut tells me that this is just legalese BS but I was
hoping someone more knowledgeable might chime in if there really is
something to that "specially riveted pins" stuff.

I haven't tried to remove it yet, but I think it would probably require
two pairs of needlenose pliers (one to press the side plates together
and one to squeeze the rollers together) and that would probably weigh
more than a small chain tool if one were wanting to carry a full toolkit
for a long ride.

nate

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I have KMC chains with power links. They are links that can be removed
by hand, but once properly installed they won't come out. To remove
the power link you need to squeeze the plates together and them push
the pins towards each other. This should "brake" the power link and
the chain can be removed. I don't know if my description made sense. I
remove and clean/lubricate my chains every 4 months or so or whenever
I feel that they need to be cleaned and lubricated.

4 months? Does it never rain where you ride?

* All modern chains,

except for shimano work with some sort of a power link.

Shimano work well with Sram links (9 speed) or Connex links (10 speed).

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You guys are right that shimano chains work with power links. They
don't come with them and they want you to use a special pin when you
brake the chain. However, they work with powerlink just fine.
Regarding rain, it doesn't rain much in El Paso. It is the Chihuahuan
dessert. I avoid riding in the rain anyways. I do relube the chain
more regularly than every four months. However, I take it out of the
bike and clean and wax every four months or so. Yes, I am one of those
crazies who waxes the chain. I like how it feels to ride on a waxed
chain and how clean it seems to stay.

Andres

On Apr 22, 7:12 am, " wrote:

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Regarding rain, it doesn't rain much in El Paso. It is the Chihuahuan
dessert. I avoid riding in the rain anyways.

Yesterday afternoon I checked weather forecasts and started pedaling
for home, saving my bus fare for today, when it looked like the rain
would be coming down in earnest. Before I even got out of town I was
wet. Outside of town I rode through a cold side-wind and fairly solid
rain (with an occasional smattering of hail thrown in). Within ten
miles I was drenched (no rain gear). At about fifteen miles I turned
for the ten mile stretch - into a brutal headwind.

It's lightly sprinkling out there today - no wind - altogether
tolerable - pleasant, even. My riding clothes are still soggy from
yesterday. I slept in and drove the car today (Earth Day). I'll be
buying rain gear come pay day

I do relube the chain
more regularly than every four months. However, I take it out of the
bike and clean and wax every four months or so. Yes, I am one of those
crazies who waxes the chain. I like how it feels to ride on a waxed
chain...

While this idea has never appealed to me (hmm... might be worth a try,
though), I would never even question "I like how it feels to ride".

aka Andres Muro wrote:
[...]
You guys are right that shimano chains work with power links. They
don't come with them and they want you to use a special pin when you
brake the chain. However, they work with powerlink just fine.
Regarding rain, it doesn't rain much in El Paso. It is the Chihuahuan
dessert. I avoid riding in the rain anyways. I do relube the chain
more regularly than every four months. However, I take it out of the
bike and clean and wax every four months or so. Yes, I am one of those
crazies who waxes the chain. I like how it feels to ride on a waxed
chain and how clean it seems to stay.

Is riding on a waxed chain more or less fun than riding a bicycle?

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Nate Nagel Wrote: [color=blue]
Kenneth wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:31:02 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:


Directly quoting from the instructions:

"Note: Once the Missing Link is installed, it is just like any other
link. Because of the integrated positive locking mechanism, it must
be
removed with a chain tool. Warning: because this chain has specially
riveted pins, the original pins should never be used to re-connect the
chain. Always use Missing Link connecting link. Ignoring these
instructions may result in serious injury due to breakage."



KMC considers their Missing Link to be a single-use item. Snapping it
together by hands once is OK, then it should either be left in place or
discarded after disassembly.
By exaggerating the permanence of the locking features of the Missing
Link and telling you to destructively break it open with an ordinary
chain tool they are hoping to get you to use a new Missing Link when the
chain needs to be hooked up again after having been off the bike for
cleaning or whatever.

Non-destructive disassembly and reuse is not a behaviour that KMC
approve of, but may of course be attempted at own risk since it's quite
doable.

KMC also considers their ordinary pins to be no good for reconnecting a
chain, hence again the recommendation to always use a Missing Link for
the job.


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dabac

On Apr 22, 6:58*pm, Tom Sherman
wrote:
aka Andres Muro wrote: [...]
You guys are right that shimano chains work with power links. They
don't come with them and they want you to use a special pin when you
brake the chain. However, they work with powerlink just fine.
Regarding rain, it doesn't rain much in El Paso. It is the Chihuahuan
dessert. I avoid riding in the rain anyways. I do relube the chain
more regularly than every four months. However, I take it out of the
bike and clean and wax every four months or so. Yes, I am one of those
crazies who waxes the chain. I like how it feels to ride on a waxed
chain and how clean it seems to stay.

Is riding on a waxed chain more or less fun than riding a bicycle?

:-)


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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful