December cycling in New York

On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/22/2020 10:07 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 3:12:49 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 4:33 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 12:52:33 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 2:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:59:48 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 12:08 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 5:16:42 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/cyclis...zard-hits-nyc/

Being a Californian I don't know how you could ride any
distance in those sorts of temperatures. Yesterday I did a 30
mile ride with an average temperature of 45 degrees and
despite thermal clothing I had to ride fast to keep warm. This
morning after only 1050 feet of climbing I feel like a steam
roller went over me. But I think that the weather will hold
enough for me to get in another 25 miler on Tuesday and close
the year with 3600 miles and 132,000 feet of climbing. That is
only 400 miles below my yearly average for the last 4 years.
Though the climbing is only half of my normal because the
coffee stops are at the other end of the hills and I couldn't
go there except for one week when the "lock-down" went off.

In my experience riding down to about zero F can be no big deal
and quite comfortable given reasonable (not extreme or
expensive) clothing. Ice on streets is indeed a real problem.
Below zero, and worse in a wind, some care need be taken with
clothing but it's not impossible. OTOH it's often not
comfortable, but it is possible.

I don't do very well below about 30 F. Limiting factors are toes
(even with double wool socks, plastic bread bags, and neoprene
booties) and fingers (even with lobster gloves). This year I've
started using the small toe warming chemical packets marketed to
hunters, and they help a lot--but I haven't yet figured out a way
to do the same for my fingers (the packets don't fit beyond the
mitten part of the gloves).

A large section of sheep turned inside out works for me. I'm
a medium size guy overall but for mittens XL; more space =
more warm air.
I have a very hard time getting gloves large enough to fit my hands. Most of them pinch between my fingers and cut off the blood flow making them cold and quite sore afterwards. For summer gloves I use crocheted XL.

XXL is a standard product:
https://ussheepskin.com/product/yuko...pskin-mittens/

Well, you don't really need a larger size in mittens since it doesn't pull down between your fingers. I do have a set of winter mittens around here somewhere. But I also have a set of heavy winter gloves. But with Di2 you have a very hard time shifting with heavy gloves.

At 30F use what you like.
At zero F, I suggest fixed gear and sheepskin mittens. YMMV

At zero F, I suggest a car with heated seats. My desire to ride ends at about 15-20F, which is about as cold as it gets in PDX. I ski in colder weather (typically in SLC), but that's a whole other thing.

The deal with snow around here (in the years we have snow) is that it is fun for about two days, and then it re-freezes and is like single track ice rut that is basically unrideable. You have to take the lane with all the cars sliding around. There is only scattered plowing, if any. https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/517/31...4a00c766_z.jpg (industrial side of town, which actually has a great bike lane -- somewhere). Even on studs, I always have at least one crash in snow and ice, and now that I'm old and creaky, it seems like less fun.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 10:15:20 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/22/2020 10:07 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 3:12:49 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 4:33 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 12:52:33 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 2:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:59:48 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 12:08 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 5:16:42 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/cyclis...zard-hits-nyc/

Being a Californian I don't know how you could ride any
distance in those sorts of temperatures. Yesterday I did
a 30 mile ride with an average temperature of 45 degrees
and despite thermal clothing I had to ride fast to keep
warm.

Speed affects heat loss too, but I'm sure you know that. My usual
rule of thumb is if the clothing is warm enough when standing
around, it will be about right when exerting myself *and* being
cooled by the increased air movement.


In my experience riding down to about zero F can be no
big deal and quite comfortable given reasonable (not
extreme or expensive) clothing. Ice on streets is indeed
a real problem. Below zero, and worse in a wind, some
care need be taken with clothing but it's not impossible.
OTOH it's often not comfortable, but it is possible.

I don't do very well below about 30 F. Limiting factors
are toes (even with double wool socks, plastic bread bags,
and neoprene booties) and fingers (even with lobster
gloves). This year I've started using the small toe
warming chemical packets marketed to hunters, and they
help a lot--but I haven't yet figured out a way to do the
same for my fingers (the packets don't fit beyond the
mitten part of the gloves).

A large section of sheep turned inside out works for me.
I'm a medium size guy overall but for mittens XL; more
space = more warm air.

Good tip. I've always thought mittens would not work with
shifters, and appreciate the fixed gear suggestion later on in
this post.


I have a very hard time getting gloves large enough to fit
my hands. Most of them pinch between my fingers and cut off
the blood flow making them cold and quite sore afterwards.
For summer gloves I use crocheted XL.

XXL is a standard product:
https://ussheepskin.com/product/yuko...pskin-mittens/

Thanks for the pointer. Bookmarked.


Well, you don't really need a larger size in mittens since it
doesn't pull down between your fingers. I do have a set of
winter mittens around here somewhere. But I also have a set of
heavy winter gloves. But with Di2 you have a very hard time
shifting with heavy gloves.

Yeah, saw that one coming. Tom had switched to discussion of
gloves.


At 30F use what you like.
At zero F, I suggest fixed gear and sheepskin mittens. YMMV

I will give that a try, thank you.

--
Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA

On 12/22/2020 10:39 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/22/2020 10:07 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 3:12:49 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 4:33 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 12:52:33 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 2:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:59:48 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 12:08 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 5:16:42 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/cyclis...zard-hits-nyc/

Being a Californian I don't know how you could ride any
distance in those sorts of temperatures. Yesterday I did a 30
mile ride with an average temperature of 45 degrees and
despite thermal clothing I had to ride fast to keep warm. This
morning after only 1050 feet of climbing I feel like a steam
roller went over me. But I think that the weather will hold
enough for me to get in another 25 miler on Tuesday and close
the year with 3600 miles and 132,000 feet of climbing. That is
only 400 miles below my yearly average for the last 4 years.
Though the climbing is only half of my normal because the
coffee stops are at the other end of the hills and I couldn't
go there except for one week when the "lock-down" went off.

In my experience riding down to about zero F can be no big deal
and quite comfortable given reasonable (not extreme or
expensive) clothing. Ice on streets is indeed a real problem.
Below zero, and worse in a wind, some care need be taken with
clothing but it's not impossible. OTOH it's often not
comfortable, but it is possible.

I don't do very well below about 30 F. Limiting factors are toes
(even with double wool socks, plastic bread bags, and neoprene
booties) and fingers (even with lobster gloves). This year I've
started using the small toe warming chemical packets marketed to
hunters, and they help a lot--but I haven't yet figured out a way
to do the same for my fingers (the packets don't fit beyond the
mitten part of the gloves).

A large section of sheep turned inside out works for me. I'm
a medium size guy overall but for mittens XL; more space =
more warm air.
I have a very hard time getting gloves large enough to fit my hands. Most of them pinch between my fingers and cut off the blood flow making them cold and quite sore afterwards. For summer gloves I use crocheted XL.

XXL is a standard product:
https://ussheepskin.com/product/yuko...pskin-mittens/

Well, you don't really need a larger size in mittens since it doesn't pull down between your fingers. I do have a set of winter mittens around here somewhere. But I also have a set of heavy winter gloves. But with Di2 you have a very hard time shifting with heavy gloves.

At 30F use what you like.
At zero F, I suggest fixed gear and sheepskin mittens. YMMV

At zero F, I suggest a car with heated seats. My desire to ride ends at about 15-20F, which is about as cold as it gets in PDX. I ski in colder weather (typically in SLC), but that's a whole other thing.

The deal with snow around here (in the years we have snow) is that it is fun for about two days, and then it re-freezes and is like single track ice rut that is basically unrideable. You have to take the lane with all the cars sliding around. There is only scattered plowing, if any. https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/517/31...4a00c766_z.jpg (industrial side of town, which actually has a great bike lane -- somewhere). Even on studs, I always have at least one crash in snow and ice, and now that I'm old and creaky, it seems like less fun.

-- Jay Beattie.




Much agreed on that. One might dress for cold but ice on
streets is a direct threat to human life.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 12/22/2020 11:39 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:


At 30F use what you like.
At zero F, I suggest fixed gear and sheepskin mittens. YMMV

At zero F, I suggest a car with heated seats. My desire to ride ends at about 15-20F, which is about as cold as it gets in PDX. I ski in colder weather (typically in SLC), but that's a whole other thing.

I stop even utility riding at about Jay's temperature limits. For me,
it's caused by several years of really bad upper bronchitis that seemed
to come on after cold rides.

The deal with snow around here (in the years we have snow) is that it is fun for about two days, and then it re-freezes and is like single track ice rut that is basically unrideable. You have to take the lane with all the cars sliding around. There is only scattered plowing, if any. https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/517/31...4a00c766_z.jpg (industrial side of town, which actually has a great bike lane -- somewhere). Even on studs, I always have at least one crash in snow and ice, and now that I'm old and creaky, it seems like less fun.

I think you're smart about the fear of falling now that we're older,
especially given the link between long term strenuous cycling and
osteoporosis.

I have a very good (former-) cyclist friend who's now in his 80s. He
hasn't ridden for a couple years, and wistfully talks about again doing
rides with me. But I know he had quite a few falls back in his strongest
days, and on our last ride had serous problem unclipping at a stop. I've
advised him to lubricate and adjust his clipless pedals absolutely as
loose as possible - or possibly move to flat pedals.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 12/22/2020 11:39 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 10:15:20 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/22/2020 10:07 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 3:12:49 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 4:33 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 12:52:33 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 2:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:59:48 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 12:08 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 5:16:42 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/cyclis...zard-hits-nyc/

Being a Californian I don't know how you could ride any
distance in those sorts of temperatures. Yesterday I did
a 30 mile ride with an average temperature of 45 degrees
and despite thermal clothing I had to ride fast to keep
warm.

Speed affects heat loss too, but I'm sure you know that. My usual
rule of thumb is if the clothing is warm enough when standing
around, it will be about right when exerting myself *and* being
cooled by the increased air movement.


In my experience riding down to about zero F can be no
big deal and quite comfortable given reasonable (not
extreme or expensive) clothing. Ice on streets is indeed
a real problem. Below zero, and worse in a wind, some
care need be taken with clothing but it's not impossible.
OTOH it's often not comfortable, but it is possible.

I don't do very well below about 30 F. Limiting factors
are toes (even with double wool socks, plastic bread bags,
and neoprene booties) and fingers (even with lobster
gloves). This year I've started using the small toe
warming chemical packets marketed to hunters, and they
help a lot--but I haven't yet figured out a way to do the
same for my fingers (the packets don't fit beyond the
mitten part of the gloves).

A large section of sheep turned inside out works for me.
I'm a medium size guy overall but for mittens XL; more
space = more warm air.

Good tip. I've always thought mittens would not work with
shifters, and appreciate the fixed gear suggestion later on in
this post.


I have a very hard time getting gloves large enough to fit
my hands. Most of them pinch between my fingers and cut off
the blood flow making them cold and quite sore afterwards.
For summer gloves I use crocheted XL.

XXL is a standard product:
https://ussheepskin.com/product/yuko...pskin-mittens/

Thanks for the pointer. Bookmarked.


Well, you don't really need a larger size in mittens since it
doesn't pull down between your fingers. I do have a set of
winter mittens around here somewhere. But I also have a set of
heavy winter gloves. But with Di2 you have a very hard time
shifting with heavy gloves.

Yeah, saw that one coming. Tom had switched to discussion of
gloves.


At 30F use what you like.
At zero F, I suggest fixed gear and sheepskin mittens. YMMV

I will give that a try, thank you.

TECH QUESTION FOR ANDREW!

Is there a way to modify an AW model Sturmey-Archer hub, to gain the
ability to easily and reversibly convert to fixed gear and back?

I'd love having the ability to pull a pin or something and go from fixed
to conventional three speed.


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 12:06:05 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/22/2020 11:39 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 10:15:20 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/22/2020 10:07 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 3:12:49 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 4:33 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 12:52:33 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 2:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:59:48 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 12:08 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 5:16:42 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/cyclis...zard-hits-nyc/

Being a Californian I don't know how you could ride any
distance in those sorts of temperatures. Yesterday I did
a 30 mile ride with an average temperature of 45 degrees
and despite thermal clothing I had to ride fast to keep
warm.

Speed affects heat loss too, but I'm sure you know that. My usual
rule of thumb is if the clothing is warm enough when standing
around, it will be about right when exerting myself *and* being
cooled by the increased air movement.


In my experience riding down to about zero F can be no
big deal and quite comfortable given reasonable (not
extreme or expensive) clothing. Ice on streets is indeed
a real problem. Below zero, and worse in a wind, some
care need be taken with clothing but it's not impossible.
OTOH it's often not comfortable, but it is possible.

I don't do very well below about 30 F. Limiting factors
are toes (even with double wool socks, plastic bread bags,
and neoprene booties) and fingers (even with lobster
gloves). This year I've started using the small toe
warming chemical packets marketed to hunters, and they
help a lot--but I haven't yet figured out a way to do the
same for my fingers (the packets don't fit beyond the
mitten part of the gloves).

A large section of sheep turned inside out works for me.
I'm a medium size guy overall but for mittens XL; more
space = more warm air.

Good tip. I've always thought mittens would not work with
shifters, and appreciate the fixed gear suggestion later on in
this post.


I have a very hard time getting gloves large enough to fit
my hands. Most of them pinch between my fingers and cut off
the blood flow making them cold and quite sore afterwards.
For summer gloves I use crocheted XL.

XXL is a standard product:
https://ussheepskin.com/product/yuko...pskin-mittens/

Thanks for the pointer. Bookmarked.


Well, you don't really need a larger size in mittens since it
doesn't pull down between your fingers. I do have a set of
winter mittens around here somewhere. But I also have a set of
heavy winter gloves. But with Di2 you have a very hard time
shifting with heavy gloves.

Yeah, saw that one coming. Tom had switched to discussion of
gloves.


At 30F use what you like.
At zero F, I suggest fixed gear and sheepskin mittens. YMMV

I will give that a try, thank you.
TECH QUESTION FOR ANDREW!

Is there a way to modify an AW model Sturmey-Archer hub, to gain the
ability to easily and reversibly convert to fixed gear and back?

I'd love having the ability to pull a pin or something and go from fixed
to conventional three speed.


--
- Frank Krygowski
I can deal with the cold to down to about 20 degrees if no wind. I road this morning 51 miles it was 26 degrees when I left and no real wind. Just have to keep pushing the pedals and spin to stay warm. I have Raynaud's syndrome and I manage ok. My feet will go a bit numb by end of ride but ok. My hands require wool gloves they are the best and I need fingers not mittens. My hand seem to do ok but the feet wow.

In the wind forget it I won't try it when wind gets up that is ugly and dangerous. Now for the real danger it is ice. That my friends is the enemy and I know from first hand experience. I had front wheel go out from under me on a turn in black ice. Landed n my right hip and guess what............I now have 3 stainless steel screws in the joint. Thank the Lord ( deacons are suppose to) because the fracture was not displaced and only the Ortho dr could really read it on the xray. I had surgery the next day and went back on my indoor trainer spinning easy in 5 days. I was able to run in 15 weeks. I tell you I was a lucky person. But to the point.....................no ice.

Deacon Mark

On 12/22/2020 11:34 AM, Mark Cleary wrote:
On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 12:06:05 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/22/2020 11:39 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 10:15:20 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/22/2020 10:07 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 3:12:49 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 4:33 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 12:52:33 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 2:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:59:48 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 12:08 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 5:16:42 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/cyclis...zard-hits-nyc/

Being a Californian I don't know how you could ride any
distance in those sorts of temperatures. Yesterday I did
a 30 mile ride with an average temperature of 45 degrees
and despite thermal clothing I had to ride fast to keep
warm.

Speed affects heat loss too, but I'm sure you know that. My usual
rule of thumb is if the clothing is warm enough when standing
around, it will be about right when exerting myself *and* being
cooled by the increased air movement.


In my experience riding down to about zero F can be no
big deal and quite comfortable given reasonable (not
extreme or expensive) clothing. Ice on streets is indeed
a real problem. Below zero, and worse in a wind, some
care need be taken with clothing but it's not impossible.
OTOH it's often not comfortable, but it is possible.

I don't do very well below about 30 F. Limiting factors
are toes (even with double wool socks, plastic bread bags,
and neoprene booties) and fingers (even with lobster
gloves). This year I've started using the small toe
warming chemical packets marketed to hunters, and they
help a lot--but I haven't yet figured out a way to do the
same for my fingers (the packets don't fit beyond the
mitten part of the gloves).

A large section of sheep turned inside out works for me.
I'm a medium size guy overall but for mittens XL; more
space = more warm air.

Good tip. I've always thought mittens would not work with
shifters, and appreciate the fixed gear suggestion later on in
this post.


I have a very hard time getting gloves large enough to fit
my hands. Most of them pinch between my fingers and cut off
the blood flow making them cold and quite sore afterwards.
For summer gloves I use crocheted XL.

XXL is a standard product:
https://ussheepskin.com/product/yuko...pskin-mittens/

Thanks for the pointer. Bookmarked.


Well, you don't really need a larger size in mittens since it
doesn't pull down between your fingers. I do have a set of
winter mittens around here somewhere. But I also have a set of
heavy winter gloves. But with Di2 you have a very hard time
shifting with heavy gloves.

Yeah, saw that one coming. Tom had switched to discussion of
gloves.


At 30F use what you like.
At zero F, I suggest fixed gear and sheepskin mittens. YMMV

I will give that a try, thank you.
TECH QUESTION FOR ANDREW!

Is there a way to modify an AW model Sturmey-Archer hub, to gain the
ability to easily and reversibly convert to fixed gear and back?

I'd love having the ability to pull a pin or something and go from fixed
to conventional three speed.


--
- Frank Krygowski
I can deal with the cold to down to about 20 degrees if no wind. I road this morning 51 miles it was 26 degrees when I left and no real wind. Just have to keep pushing the pedals and spin to stay warm. I have Raynaud's syndrome and I manage ok. My feet will go a bit numb by end of ride but ok. My hands require wool gloves they are the best and I need fingers not mittens. My hand seem to do ok but the feet wow.

In the wind forget it I won't try it when wind gets up that is ugly and dangerous. Now for the real danger it is ice. That my friends is the enemy and I know from first hand experience. I had front wheel go out from under me on a turn in black ice. Landed n my right hip and guess what............I now have 3 stainless steel screws in the joint. Thank the Lord ( deacons are suppose to) because the fracture was not displaced and only the Ortho dr could really read it on the xray. I had surgery the next day and went back on my indoor trainer spinning easy in 5 days. I was able to run in 15 weeks. I tell you I was a lucky person. But to the point.....................no ice.

Deacon Mark

Try the stick-on chemical toe warmers. I stick 'em on the tops of my
shoes, then put on over-booties, it makes a huge difference. Think I
may have borderline Raynaud's, 'cause once the extremities get cold,
they take forever to warm up.

Mark J.

I can deal with the cold to down to about 20 degrees if no wind. I road this morning 51 miles it was 26 degrees when I left and no real wind. Just have to keep pushing the pedals and spin to stay warm. I have Raynaud's syndrome and I manage ok. My feet will go a bit numb by end of ride but ok. My hands require wool gloves they are the best and I need fingers not mittens. My hand seem to do ok but the feet wow.


For riding in the cold I like "glomitts" - basically half-finger gloves with a
mitten cover that can be pulled back when you need dexterity. For example:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002O4B6RQ

Those are more expensive than some but are made of "Windbloc" that really is a
lot better for this purpose than plain fleece. I usually wear thin liner gloves
underneath.

I've tried lobster mitts but find them to be the worst of both worlds: they're
not as warm as mittens, but still make it hard to get things out of my pockets, etc.

Ted Heise writes:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 10:15:20 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/22/2020 10:07 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 3:12:49 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 4:33 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 12:52:33 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 2:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:59:48 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 12:08 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 5:16:42 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/cyclis...zard-hits-nyc/

Being a Californian I don't know how you could ride any
distance in those sorts of temperatures. Yesterday I did
a 30 mile ride with an average temperature of 45 degrees
and despite thermal clothing I had to ride fast to keep
warm.

Speed affects heat loss too, but I'm sure you know that. My usual
rule of thumb is if the clothing is warm enough when standing
around, it will be about right when exerting myself *and* being
cooled by the increased air movement.

I recall really looking forward to climbing hills at around 0F. Even
short downhills were hard on the personal enthalpy balance.

On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 3:07:24 PM UTC-8, Radey Shouman wrote:
Ted Heise writes:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 10:15:20 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/22/2020 10:07 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 3:12:49 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 4:33 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 12:52:33 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 2:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:59:48 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 12:08 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 5:16:42 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/cyclis...zard-hits-nyc/

Being a Californian I don't know how you could ride any
distance in those sorts of temperatures. Yesterday I did
a 30 mile ride with an average temperature of 45 degrees
and despite thermal clothing I had to ride fast to keep
warm.

Speed affects heat loss too, but I'm sure you know that. My usual
rule of thumb is if the clothing is warm enough when standing
around, it will be about right when exerting myself *and* being
cooled by the increased air movement.
I recall really looking forward to climbing hills at around 0F. Even
short downhills were hard on the personal enthalpy balance.

Who goes up must come down. Long descents in cold weather are punishing, particularly if you're sweaty from the climb or soaked from rain/snow. You get to that Captain Kirk, teeth chattering, semi-conscious, can't . . . hold . . . bars . . . must . . . go . . . on, and then the lights start to dim, and there is a tunnel . . . with a light at the end, and its Oprah saying "look under your seat," and then your realize you're railing a corner and snap out of it for a moment. What I like is the hot shower when I get home that feels like I'm being stabbed with ice picks as my flesh thaws. Sure do look forward to winter!

-- Jay Beattie.