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"Zelda" wrote in message om... Since you compare bicycles to motorcycles, I have a different question: I used to ride motorcycles, and tried amateur roadracing for a couple of years. Last year, when I bought my first-ever good quality road bicycle, I asked the staff at the bike shop if you use countersteering to go around fast corners on a bicycle, as you do on a motorcycle (pushing the handlebar away from you). They didn't know what I was talking about. So, do you use countersteering on a road bicycle? Thanks, Zelda Yes, you do. But remember: you can't wheelie a shaft-driven bicycle. |
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"Carl Sundquist" wrote in message
... Yes, you do. But remember: you can't wheelie a shaft-driven bicycle. Never ridden a shaft-drive bicycle..but you sure can wheelie a shaft-drive motorcycle!! Course, most bikes with shaft drive aren't happy about being wheelied..but if ya cane it enough.. ;-) Cheers, Scott.. |
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An experience from looong ago might relate to this question.
I made the pilgrimmage to the 1983 Coors Classic with my bike stuffed into the back seat of my '66 Rambler, and tent and sleeping bag in the trunk. I was a new, enthusiast young pup of a racer from South Dakota, which of course is a Mecca for racing. In the warmup for the women's city park criterium, I followed a couple racers around the course on my bike. We came to a corner. They dove right into it and I was left thinking, how the hell did they do that, as I lost several meters before even beginning the turn. After that, I started practicing "diving" into a turn. I believe I learned countersteering as a result of that experience. -- -- Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine. |
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In article , Raptor wrote:
An experience from looong ago might relate to this question. I made the pilgrimmage to the 1983 Coors Classic with my bike stuffed into the back seat of my '66 Rambler, and tent and sleeping bag in the trunk. I was a new, enthusiast young pup of a racer from South Dakota, which of course is a Mecca for racing. In the warmup for the women's city park criterium, I followed a couple racers around the course on my bike. We came to a corner. They dove right into it and I was left thinking, how the hell did they do that, as I lost several meters before even beginning the turn. After that, I started practicing "diving" into a turn. I believe I learned countersteering as a result of that experience. Being good in turns has alot more to do with your line, willingness not to overbrake-especially as you approach the turn, ability to finesse your way between people going too slow, and having an attitude that turns are the easiest place to make up ground and every turn is an opportunity to go as fast as possible without having to pedal. -WG |
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Silence is often the best headline.
Jobst must still be doing his thing on the Alps. A bit envious ... Sergio Pisa |
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warren wrote:
Sorry, perhaps I wasn't clear in my original post. I was referring to emergency braking on a good surface in a straight line. Armstrong was braking in a straight line as he came past the outside of Beloki. This section of the faq states once more that front brake only is the quickest way to decelerate as long as you're not banked in the middle of a turn. Then it's wrong. Think about my question again... "Don't you think that having two tires making contact/friction with the ground (with the brakes applied) would work better than one?" Uh, no. Because if the rear wheel still has significant traction, you aren't applying enough front brake. Because of the weight shift toward the front, all the traction, and hence braking power, is there. You can get it to the point where any braking on the rear will make it slide. It's true for both motorcycles and bicycles, though the motorcyclists I know seem to have an easier time grasping this. Oh, and to the person mentioning certain motorcyclists using the rear brake to slide the rear end. . . I can't vouch for those particular motorcyclists, but most don't use the rear brake to do that. Front braking will unweight the rear so much that throttle can be used to do that. Rear brake usually used to "trail brake" into a turn, and take up drivetrain slack just before significant power is applied to prevent lash. When it comes to turning, motorcycles diverge from bicycles somewhat because of the engine. . . there are different techniques available because of it. Braking is largely the same though. People always seem to bring up the ability to flip a bike over with the front brake. Sure, that's possible, but it is exactly that power that makes it worth using, and using well, to its full potential. The FAQ and Sheldon are right. Go practice. |
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Howard Kveck wrote:
In article , "Carl Sundquist" wrote: But remember: you can't wheelie a shaft-driven bicycle. Carl, I suspect that about .0005% of the people reading this group will have any idea where -that- one came from. Good one. Well, I managed to find a picture on google to explain what a shaft driven bicycle is: http://www.rustyspokes.com/images/Image5.jpg Seems like a radical design concept, but why can't you wheelie it? Dani |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:46:11 -0400, "S. Anderson"
wrote: "Lindsay" wrote in message .. . Try it and get back to us. BTW - do you think you can produce the same amount of torque to the real wheel of the bike while cornering that you got on the motorcycle? Lindsay The tricky part is not hitting the pedal on the pavement while leaned over!! ;-) That's one of the nifty things about motorcycles versus bicycles..big, lurid power slides going out of corners... I grew up in upstate NY and immediately thought of the slides in the ice racing I used to watch. Try that angle!! ;-) Lindsay ---------------------------- "One of the annoying things about believing in free will and individual responsibility is the difficulty of finding somebody to blame your problems on. And when you do find somebody, it's remarkable how often his picture turns up on your driver's license." P.J. O'Rourke |
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:00:12 +0000 (UTC), "asqui"
wrote: Well, I managed to find a picture on google to explain what a shaft driven bicycle is: http://www.rustyspokes.com/images/Image5.jpg Seems like a radical design concept, but why can't you wheelie it? Is that titanium? Lindsay ---------------------------- "One of the annoying things about believing in free will and individual responsibility is the difficulty of finding somebody to blame your problems on. And when you do find somebody, it's remarkable how often his picture turns up on your driver's license." P.J. O'Rourke |
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In article , BikeRacer
wrote: warren wrote: Sorry, perhaps I wasn't clear in my original post. I was referring to emergency braking on a good surface in a straight line. Armstrong was braking in a straight line as he came past the outside of Beloki. This section of the faq states once more that front brake only is the quickest way to decelerate as long as you're not banked in the middle of a turn. Then it's wrong. Think about my question again... "Don't you think that having two tires making contact/friction with the ground (with the brakes applied) would work better than one?" Uh, no. Because if the rear wheel still has significant traction, you aren't applying enough front brake. I hope I'm never behind you in a race. You are scary. -WG |
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