Rock n Roll

On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 10:49:27 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/25/2017 6:33 PM, James wrote:
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I snipped all but the pertinent bit I am going to reply about. It makes
reading mail much easier. I don't bother reading much of the
exceedingly long unsnipped posts because I cannot be bothered scrolling
down for half a minute past the old messages to find the new content.

It is true, trimming seems to have gone out of fashion. Why?

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Probably because a lot of people these days are using cell phones or other non-regular computers and perhaps aren't able to trim but are forced to include the entire message? I notice that in my email account that those who use a cell phone can't trim the original message from the reply.

Cheers

On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 19:06:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 6:11:16 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:33:44 +1000, James
wrote:

On 26/06/17 07:54, wrote:

I snipped all but the pertinent bit I am going to reply about. It makes
reading mail much easier. I don't bother reading much of the
exceedingly long unsnipped posts because I cannot be bothered scrolling
down for half a minute past the old messages to find the new content.


And my question about electrolytes? Today I did 56 miles and 1700
feet of climbing. I have a can of Red Bull right now and since I used
another can three days ago and it seemed to work I expect to fully
recover overnight.


Good luck with that.

I'd prefer a litre of water, a cup of coffee and a piece of fruit cake,
followed by some gentle exercise after a short rest.

(smile) well, according to the label the Red Bull is about equal to a
cup of very strong coffee with a lot of sugar in it. The litre of
water is more or less what the Medics will give you for loss of blood
volume and the fruit cake tastes good :-)

I don't know where you get your ingredients from since Red Bull
has about the same caffeine as a quarter cup of weak coffee.

Most of the ingredients are water and salts with a bit of sugar and flavoring.

I can't comment on how your Red Bull is mixed, it does vary from
country to country, but the original 100 ml. bottle sold here in
Thailand had 80 mg. caffeine which is about the same as a strong cup
of coffee. One bottle used to be 100 ml. so it was about 80%
caffeine.

The original formula - still sold here - contained water, cane sugar,
caffeine, taurine, inositol and B-vitamins, although I believe that
the original 80mg. caffeine has now been reduced to 50 mg.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 04:40:13 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

writes:

I don't know where you get your ingredients from
since Red Bull has about the same caffeine as
a quarter cup of weak coffee.

Most of the ingredients are water and salts with
a bit of sugar and flavoring.

A person I know saw a documentary where they gave rats
either sugar-free or normal sodas and energy drinks.

They also gave the rats access to food.

Apparently the experiment showed that the rats that
got the non-sugar drinks ate more food, and had
a slower metabolism.

Perhaps because dietary sugar is converted to the simple sugars that
power the muscles much quicker then other carbohydrates are converted.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 26/06/17 11:11, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:33:44 +1000, James
wrote:

On 26/06/17 07:54, wrote:

I snipped all but the pertinent bit I am going to reply about. It makes
reading mail much easier. I don't bother reading much of the
exceedingly long unsnipped posts because I cannot be bothered scrolling
down for half a minute past the old messages to find the new content.


And my question about electrolytes? Today I did 56 miles and 1700
feet of climbing. I have a can of Red Bull right now and since I used
another can three days ago and it seemed to work I expect to fully
recover overnight.


Good luck with that.

I'd prefer a litre of water, a cup of coffee and a piece of fruit cake,
followed by some gentle exercise after a short rest.

(smile) well, according to the label the Red Bull is about equal to a
cup of very strong coffee with a lot of sugar in it. The litre of
water is more or less what the Medics will give you for loss of blood
volume and the fruit cake tastes good :-)

Fruit cake is a bit more than empty calories though.

--
JS

On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 17:12:04 +1000, James
wrote:

On 26/06/17 11:11, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:33:44 +1000, James
wrote:

On 26/06/17 07:54, wrote:

I snipped all but the pertinent bit I am going to reply about. It makes
reading mail much easier. I don't bother reading much of the
exceedingly long unsnipped posts because I cannot be bothered scrolling
down for half a minute past the old messages to find the new content.


And my question about electrolytes? Today I did 56 miles and 1700
feet of climbing. I have a can of Red Bull right now and since I used
another can three days ago and it seemed to work I expect to fully
recover overnight.


Good luck with that.

I'd prefer a litre of water, a cup of coffee and a piece of fruit cake,
followed by some gentle exercise after a short rest.

(smile) well, according to the label the Red Bull is about equal to a
cup of very strong coffee with a lot of sugar in it. The litre of
water is more or less what the Medics will give you for loss of blood
volume and the fruit cake tastes good :-)

Fruit cake is a bit more than empty calories though.

It probably depends on just what sort of "fruit cake" it is. I used to
make some with honey, peanut butter and oat meal, with a box of
raisins thrown in for "fruit". Certainly more then empty calories
there :-)

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 21:42:27 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 9:02:26 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
Big snip
The last time I bought nails (at a good hardware shop) they had no
"concrete nails" at all. So the 99% was incorrect. It was 100%.
--
Cheers,

John B.

Not to mention that those who build fences (from where Joerg claimed to scrounge a nail) do NOT use concrete nails or any other hardened steel nail.

Still easier and better to use a chaintool on a bicycle chain.

Cheers

You are speaking of a chap who says he can't be bothered to carry a
6mm hex wrench to tighten the screws on his rear suspension but brags
of carrying gallons of beer. Apparently he does little, if any,
maintenance but is a very heavy drinker.... which may account for some
of his stories :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 6/25/2017 10:27 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 7:06:20 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 6:11:16 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On 26 Jun 2017, James wrote:
On 26/06/17 07:54, wrote:
-snip-
I snipped all but the pertinent bit
-snip-
And my question about electrolytes? Today I did 56 miles and 1700
feet of climbing. I have a can of Red Bull right now
-snip-
Good luck with that.
I'd prefer a litre of water, a cup of coffee and a piece of fruit cake,
-snip-
(smile) well, according to the label the Red Bull is about equal to a
cup of very strong coffee with a lot of sugar in it. The litre of
-snip-

I don't know where you get your ingredients from since Red Bull has about the same caffeine as a quarter cup of weak coffee.

Most of the ingredients are water and salts with a bit of sugar and flavoring.

Actually, 8.4 oz of Red Bull (a can) has 80 mg of caffeine. A cup of coffee varies. My usual poison, a double shot of espresso, has 100 mg of caffeine. http://www.math.utah.edu/~yplee/fun/caffeine.html

Red Bull is not a "sports drink." It's an "energy drink," viz. a stimulant drink. http://awordonnutrition.com/sepost/e.../?type=article Stimulants have their place. I get caffeine in GU gel packs, which are kind of bail-out food. Way back when, I got caffeine and ephedra in Pocket Rockets -- one of the first gel packs. I ate so many of those in a long road race 20+ years ago that I was shaking by the end of the race and couldn't sleep that night. My drink of choice is Hammer Heed -- which is easy on my stomach and actually makes my muscles feel less tired. GU packs for a quick burst and head-clearing, and Cliff Bars for food (among other things). Try a good sports drink from a mix.


You're probably not on the podium much:
https://scottsilverii.com/tag/jacques-anquetil/

Jacques Anquetil

A five-time tour winner, Anquetil was also known for the
perfection of his own cocktail, which consisted of morphine
(injected into the muscle) and amphetamines to counteract
any sleepy side affects. When asked if he took stimulants,
Anquetil didn’t mind providing a quote. “You would have to
be an imbecile or a crook to imagine a professional cyclist
who races for 235 days a year can hold the pace without
stimulants.”

When he was asked later to clarify, he said this. “For 50
years bike racers have been taking stimulants. Obviously we
can do without them in a race, but then we will pedal 15
miles an hour instead of 25. Since were are constantly asked
to go faster and to make even greater efforts, we are
obliged to take stimulants.”

Other quotable cyclists in that link.



--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 6/26/2017 6:09 AM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 17:12:04 +1000, James
wrote:

On 26/06/17 11:11, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:33:44 +1000, James
wrote:

On 26/06/17 07:54, wrote:

I snipped all but the pertinent bit I am going to reply about. It makes
reading mail much easier. I don't bother reading much of the
exceedingly long unsnipped posts because I cannot be bothered scrolling
down for half a minute past the old messages to find the new content.


And my question about electrolytes? Today I did 56 miles and 1700
feet of climbing. I have a can of Red Bull right now and since I used
another can three days ago and it seemed to work I expect to fully
recover overnight.


Good luck with that.

I'd prefer a litre of water, a cup of coffee and a piece of fruit cake,
followed by some gentle exercise after a short rest.

(smile) well, according to the label the Red Bull is about equal to a
cup of very strong coffee with a lot of sugar in it. The litre of
water is more or less what the Medics will give you for loss of blood
volume and the fruit cake tastes good :-)

Fruit cake is a bit more than empty calories though.

It probably depends on just what sort of "fruit cake" it is. I used to
make some with honey, peanut butter and oat meal, with a box of
raisins thrown in for "fruit". Certainly more then empty calories
there :-)


A fruit cake without rum? Heathen!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 8:27:06 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 7:06:20 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 6:11:16 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:33:44 +1000, James
wrote:

On 26/06/17 07:54, wrote:

I snipped all but the pertinent bit I am going to reply about. It makes
reading mail much easier. I don't bother reading much of the
exceedingly long unsnipped posts because I cannot be bothered scrolling
down for half a minute past the old messages to find the new content..


And my question about electrolytes? Today I did 56 miles and 1700
feet of climbing. I have a can of Red Bull right now and since I used
another can three days ago and it seemed to work I expect to fully
recover overnight.


Good luck with that.

I'd prefer a litre of water, a cup of coffee and a piece of fruit cake,
followed by some gentle exercise after a short rest.

(smile) well, according to the label the Red Bull is about equal to a
cup of very strong coffee with a lot of sugar in it. The litre of
water is more or less what the Medics will give you for loss of blood
volume and the fruit cake tastes good :-)

I don't know where you get your ingredients from since Red Bull has about the same caffeine as a quarter cup of weak coffee.

Most of the ingredients are water and salts with a bit of sugar and flavoring.

Actually, 8.4 oz of Red Bull (a can) has 80 mg of caffeine. A cup of coffee varies. My usual poison, a double shot of espresso, has 100 mg of caffeine. http://www.math.utah.edu/~yplee/fun/caffeine.html

Red Bull is not a "sports drink." It's an "energy drink," viz. a stimulant drink. http://awordonnutrition.com/sepost/e.../?type=article Stimulants have their place. I get caffeine in GU gel packs, which are kind of bail-out food. Way back when, I got caffeine and ephedra in Pocket Rockets -- one of the first gel packs. I ate so many of those in a long road race 20+ years ago that I was shaking by the end of the race and couldn't sleep that night. My drink of choice is Hammer Heed -- which is easy on my stomach and actually makes my muscles feel less tired. GU packs for a quick burst and head-clearing, and Cliff Bars for food (among other things). Try a good sports drink from a mix.

Correction - a cup of weak coffee contains about the same - 80 mg of caffeine as Red Bull. But any of the brand coffee shops a cup of coffee contains about 200 mg of caffeine and the "cups" you get contain quite a bit more than a cup.

I do not take Red Bull as an "energy drink" but as a recovery drink and replacement of electrolytes after our conversations here and it does appear to make a difference. The 56 miles I did yesterday was with light wind on the way out and into about 15 mph on the flats coming back and up to 20 or more over the passes coming back. I'm a little tired today but not exhausted as usual.

But it's hard to tell since I am starting to get back in shape and dropped the extra weight I put on on the cruise.

On 2017-06-26 06:07, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/25/2017 10:27 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 7:06:20 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 6:11:16 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On 26 Jun 2017, James wrote:
On 26/06/17 07:54, wrote:
-snip-
I snipped all but the pertinent bit
-snip-
And my question about electrolytes? Today I did 56 miles and 1700
feet of climbing. I have a can of Red Bull right now
-snip-
Good luck with that.
I'd prefer a litre of water, a cup of coffee and a piece of fruit
cake,
-snip-
(smile) well, according to the label the Red Bull is about equal to a
cup of very strong coffee with a lot of sugar in it. The litre of
-snip-

I don't know where you get your ingredients from since Red Bull has
about the same caffeine as a quarter cup of weak coffee.

Most of the ingredients are water and salts with a bit of sugar and
flavoring.

Actually, 8.4 oz of Red Bull (a can) has 80 mg of caffeine. A cup of
coffee varies. My usual poison, a double shot of espresso, has 100 mg
of caffeine. http://www.math.utah.edu/~yplee/fun/caffeine.html

Red Bull is not a "sports drink." It's an "energy drink," viz. a
stimulant drink.


If you want a real stimulant during take Jolt. It clocks in at almost
200mg/can of caffeine and the 20oz suposedly is closer to 300mg. No idea
what that's good for on a bicycle although I must confess that I did
fall asleep on a road bike once, on my way to school as a kid. Luckily
there was no ditch next to the bike path but a flat grassy area.


http://awordonnutrition.com/sepost/e.../?type=article
Stimulants have their place. I get caffeine in GU gel packs, which
are kind of bail-out food. Way back when, I got caffeine and ephedra
in Pocket Rockets -- one of the first gel packs. I ate so many of
those in a long road race 20+ years ago that I was shaking by the end
of the race and couldn't sleep that night. My drink of choice is
Hammer Heed -- which is easy on my stomach and actually makes my
muscles feel less tired. GU packs for a quick burst and
head-clearing, and Cliff Bars for food (among other things). Try a
good sports drink from a mix.


You're probably not on the podium much:
https://scottsilverii.com/tag/jacques-anquetil/

Jacques Anquetil

A five-time tour winner, Anquetil was also known for the perfection of
his own cocktail, which consisted of morphine (injected into the muscle)
and amphetamines to counteract any sleepy side affects. When asked if he
took stimulants, Anquetil didn’t mind providing a quote. “You would have
to be an imbecile or a crook to imagine a professional cyclist who races
for 235 days a year can hold the pace without stimulants.”

When he was asked later to clarify, he said this. “For 50 years bike
racers have been taking stimulants. Obviously we can do without them in
a race, but then we will pedal 15 miles an hour instead of 25. Since
were are constantly asked to go faster and to make even greater efforts,
we are obliged to take stimulants.”

Other quotable cyclists in that link.


Reminds me of the "tank chocolate" the German army gave some troops in
WW-II. AFAIK that was crystal meth.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/