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Peugeot PX-10 max cog size?
On 2018-09-24 12:26, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 10:09:50 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/24/2018 12:43 PM, Joerg wrote: He said it's from 1972. So he's got me beat by 10 years with my road bike. He's tied with my utility bike, which is ridden almost daily. My PX10 was from '69 and bought in '72-3, but its long gone. RIP. To get a 7 speed on the PX10, he had to send the PW hubs back to PW for a new axle (probably $90 plus shipping unless local shop has tools). He also had to re-space the frame (making sure he dropouts are parallel, probably $60 if he went to a shop) dish the wheels (assuming the rear wasn't disassembled to return the hub $20). All the replacement stuff with freewheel, saddle, brake pads, cables, tape. We're talking an easy $400 to make it a bike that needs another $500 to make it as good as a $400 bike from Bikes Direct. My friend already had Phil Woods hubs and BB on there so that helped. ... I look at this and groan: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-h...2/IMG_2675.JPG You'd have to shift that really slooow to avoid pretezeluing the derailer. It was easier on my Gazelle frame because it has much longer slots plus vernier adjustment screws for exact wheel alignment. Still I have to shift to the 32T gently, no slamming. I never understood people who collected second string French stuff from that era. I could see fluffing up a Masi or DeRosa, but that's about it for me. I bought a used PX10 when I was in high school, and it was all I could afford. I would have bought Italian if I had the money. For some reason those PX-10 have achieved cult following around here. I met a guy in Placerville who had a vintage Italian bike and a Peugeot PX-10 restored at a Sacramento bike shop, to the tune of $1000. Each, and that was sans frame costs. Beats me why. The chrome plated rear end looks cool but other than that I don't see a reason to put up with all the incompatibilities. Maybe it affords the same coolness as tooling around in a Porsche 356. Reactions on the bike paths are sometimes interesting. A rider who was behind me at a distance for a long time pulled up to the side and asked "Why are you sometimes reaching down yet you don't grab your water bottle?" ... "I was shifting, with the friction levers down here" ... "Oh!" ... It sounded like he just had to know. I guess he was too young to have ever seen those. Then came "You have mountain bike pedals on the road bike?!". Eventually they see the semi-built-in MP3 speaker, on a 1980's bike. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 12:26:12 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote: I bought a used PX10 when I was in high school, and it was all I could afford. I would have bought Italian if I had the money. My parents bought me a Peugeot UO-8 10 speed in approx 1963 because we couldn't afford a PX-10: http://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/Flyers%20USA/Peugeot%201963-1964%20USA%20Flyer/Peugeot%201963-1964%20USA%20Flyer%20Page%202.JPG https://www.google.com/search?q=peugeot+UO-8&tbm=isch I don't recall what happened to it except that I had it in High Skool ending in 1965. After High Skool, I was into cars and girls. I didn't need or want a bicycle. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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John B. Slocomb wrote:
The first person to ride across the U.S., on a bicycle, was a Brit Industrialism, underground/subway, Manchester trousers/pants, punk music, Mount Everest, exit from the EU... one Thomas Stevens, who ride a "50 inch penny-farthing" built by the Pope Manufacturing Company of Chicago, from San Francisco to Boston in 1884. No big tires, no 10 speed gears, no beaker of beer, just a pair of socks, a spare shirt, a raincoat and a pocket revolver. Very impressive! But really, I'm sure some sailor was stranded on a desert island, and he survived by eating his belt and the occasional raw flying fish that landed on his raft. OK, so it is possible to do. This doesn't mean being cold, isolated, hammered by the elements, and this wierd belt diet, that any of that should be recommended to anyone. Just like an 1884 bike, or a modern road bike, shouldn't be considered riding that stuff on the photo. No, one should have, e.g. MTB 29*2.20" shock absorber (-- correct terminology?) PS. Man, this was a fun post to write! DS. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 12:03:58 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote: John B. Slocomb wrote: The first person to ride across the U.S., on a bicycle, was a Brit Industrialism, underground/subway, Manchester trousers/pants, punk music, Mount Everest, exit from the EU... one Thomas Stevens, who ride a "50 inch penny-farthing" built by the Pope Manufacturing Company of Chicago, from San Francisco to Boston in 1884. No big tires, no 10 speed gears, no beaker of beer, just a pair of socks, a spare shirt, a raincoat and a pocket revolver. Very impressive! But really, I'm sure some sailor was stranded on a desert island, and he survived by eating his belt and the occasional raw flying fish that landed on his raft. OK, so it is possible to do. This doesn't mean being cold, isolated, hammered by the elements, and this wierd belt diet, that any of that should be recommended to anyone. Just like an 1884 bike, or a modern road bike, shouldn't be considered riding that stuff on the photo. No, one should have, e.g. MTB 29*2.20" shock absorber (-- correct terminology?) PS. Man, this was a fun post to write! DS. You forget the Indians. The Battle of Wounded Knee occurred on December 29, 1890. The "Sioux Wars" were still taking place, the last battle was in 1891 and the last Apache raid into the United States occurred in 1924. -- Cheers John B. |
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John B. Slocomb wrote:
You forget the Indians. The Battle of Wounded Knee occurred on December 29, 1890. The "Sioux Wars" were still taking place, the last battle was in 1891 and the last Apache raid into the United States occurred in 1924. +1 -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 12:41:19 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/24/2018 2:26 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 10:09:50 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/24/2018 12:43 PM, Joerg wrote: He said it's from 1972. So he's got me beat by 10 years with my road bike. He's tied with my utility bike, which is ridden almost daily. My PX10 was from '69 and bought in '72-3, but its long gone. RIP. To get a 7 speed on the PX10, he had to send the PW hubs back to PW for a new axle (probably $90 plus shipping unless local shop has tools). He also had to re-space the frame (making sure he dropouts are parallel, probably $60 if he went to a shop) dish the wheels (assuming the rear wasn't disassembled to return the hub $20). All the replacement stuff with freewheel, saddle, brake pads, cables, tape. We're talking an easy $400 to make it a bike that needs another $500 to make it as good as a $400 bike from Bikes Direct. I look at this and groan: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-h...2/IMG_2675.JPG I never understood people who collected second string French stuff from that era. I could see fluffing up a Masi or DeRosa, but that's about it for me. I bought a used PX10 when I was in high school, and it was all I could afford. I would have bought Italian if I had the money. -- Jay Beattie. I have a fondness for French bikes but except for accurate restorations http://www.yellowjersey.org/PEUGWISE.JPG http://www.yellowjersey.org/klz15a.jpg I agree with you. Sorta halfway 'upgrades' are seldom worth the trouble. Sheldon had a fondness for French bikes, too, and would often box my ears for disrespecting them. And I regard the accurate restoration and collecting of French bikes as an entirely different endeavor than "upgrading" -- which is a lot of work to get an O.K. running bike. With clamp-on everything, I'd strip the frame, braze on some TT guides, BB cable guide, DT bosses or stops on the HT, FD tab, drill and tap the drop-outs for adjusters (popular upgrade back in the day), tap hanger to 10mm, file for b-adjuster, tap the eyelets. I'd replace the steerer or get a new fork so I could use a 22.2 stem and maybe ream the HT for JIS or what -- throw some brass in there to reduce to ISO? I skipped that process because Campy French headsets were readily available when I upgraded my PX10 in 1980-81. Erasing all things French, though, would be difficult -- you still have an obsolete BB standard, unless you re-tap that too, which would be a job. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 9/25/2018 11:45 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 12:41:19 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 9/24/2018 2:26 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 10:09:50 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/24/2018 12:43 PM, Joerg wrote: He said it's from 1972. So he's got me beat by 10 years with my road bike. He's tied with my utility bike, which is ridden almost daily. My PX10 was from '69 and bought in '72-3, but its long gone. RIP. To get a 7 speed on the PX10, he had to send the PW hubs back to PW for a new axle (probably $90 plus shipping unless local shop has tools). He also had to re-space the frame (making sure he dropouts are parallel, probably $60 if he went to a shop) dish the wheels (assuming the rear wasn't disassembled to return the hub $20). All the replacement stuff with freewheel, saddle, brake pads, cables, tape. We're talking an easy $400 to make it a bike that needs another $500 to make it as good as a $400 bike from Bikes Direct. I look at this and groan: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-h...2/IMG_2675.JPG I never understood people who collected second string French stuff from that era. I could see fluffing up a Masi or DeRosa, but that's about it for me. I bought a used PX10 when I was in high school, and it was all I could afford. I would have bought Italian if I had the money. -- Jay Beattie. I have a fondness for French bikes but except for accurate restorations http://www.yellowjersey.org/PEUGWISE.JPG http://www.yellowjersey.org/klz15a.jpg I agree with you. Sorta halfway 'upgrades' are seldom worth the trouble. Sheldon had a fondness for French bikes, too, and would often box my ears for disrespecting them. And I regard the accurate restoration and collecting of French bikes as an entirely different endeavor than "upgrading" -- which is a lot of work to get an O.K. running bike. With clamp-on everything, I'd strip the frame, braze on some TT guides, BB cable guide, DT bosses or stops on the HT, FD tab, drill and tap the drop-outs for adjusters (popular upgrade back in the day), tap hanger to 10mm, file for b-adjuster, tap the eyelets. I'd replace the steerer or get a new fork so I could use a 22.2 stem and maybe ream the HT for JIS or what -- throw some brass in there to reduce to ISO? I skipped that process because Campy French headsets were readily available when I upgraded my PX10 in 1980-81. Erasing all things French, though, would be difficult -- you still have an obsolete BB standard, unless you re-tap that too, which would be a job. -- Jay Beattie. This checks all your boxes: http://www.yellowjersey.org/pkn11f.jpg Cute, but more $$ than just buying a new Bianchi with the same equipment. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 2018-09-25 09:45, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 12:41:19 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 9/24/2018 2:26 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 10:09:50 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/24/2018 12:43 PM, Joerg wrote: He said it's from 1972. So he's got me beat by 10 years with my road bike. He's tied with my utility bike, which is ridden almost daily. My PX10 was from '69 and bought in '72-3, but its long gone. RIP. To get a 7 speed on the PX10, he had to send the PW hubs back to PW for a new axle (probably $90 plus shipping unless local shop has tools). He also had to re-space the frame (making sure he dropouts are parallel, probably $60 if he went to a shop) dish the wheels (assuming the rear wasn't disassembled to return the hub $20). All the replacement stuff with freewheel, saddle, brake pads, cables, tape. We're talking an easy $400 to make it a bike that needs another $500 to make it as good as a $400 bike from Bikes Direct. I look at this and groan: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-h...2/IMG_2675.JPG I never understood people who collected second string French stuff from that era. I could see fluffing up a Masi or DeRosa, but that's about it for me. I bought a used PX10 when I was in high school, and it was all I could afford. I would have bought Italian if I had the money. -- Jay Beattie. I have a fondness for French bikes but except for accurate restorations http://www.yellowjersey.org/PEUGWISE.JPG http://www.yellowjersey.org/klz15a.jpg I agree with you. Sorta halfway 'upgrades' are seldom worth the trouble. Sheldon had a fondness for French bikes, too, and would often box my ears for disrespecting them. And I regard the accurate restoration and collecting of French bikes as an entirely different endeavor than "upgrading" -- which is a lot of work to get an O.K. running bike. With clamp-on everything, I'd strip the frame, braze on some TT guides, ... Mon Dieu! Then the original paint job is toast and the value of the frame could instantly change from $500 to $0. ... BB cable guide, DT bosses or stops on the HT, FD tab, drill and tap the drop-outs for adjusters (popular upgrade back in the day), tap hanger to 10mm, file for b-adjuster, tap the eyelets. I'd replace the steerer or get a new fork so I could use a 22.2 stem and maybe ream the HT for JIS or what -- throw some brass in there to reduce to ISO? I skipped that process because Campy French headsets were readily available when I upgraded my PX10 in 1980-81. Erasing all things French, though, would be difficult -- you still have an obsolete BB standard, unless you re-tap that too, which would be a job. In that case I'd sell it and search Craigslist for a nice modern bike. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 9:49:42 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/25/2018 11:45 AM, jbeattie wrote: On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 12:41:19 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 9/24/2018 2:26 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 10:09:50 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/24/2018 12:43 PM, Joerg wrote: He said it's from 1972. So he's got me beat by 10 years with my road bike. He's tied with my utility bike, which is ridden almost daily. My PX10 was from '69 and bought in '72-3, but its long gone. RIP. To get a 7 speed on the PX10, he had to send the PW hubs back to PW for a new axle (probably $90 plus shipping unless local shop has tools). He also had to re-space the frame (making sure he dropouts are parallel, probably $60 if he went to a shop) dish the wheels (assuming the rear wasn't disassembled to return the hub $20). All the replacement stuff with freewheel, saddle, brake pads, cables, tape. We're talking an easy $400 to make it a bike that needs another $500 to make it as good as a $400 bike from Bikes Direct. |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 10:49:36 -0700, Joerg wrote:
Mon Dieu! Then the original paint job is toast and the value of the frame could instantly change from $500 to $0. A sloppy coat of paint does that, and reduces tea-leaf attention. At one stage I was forced to use some gifted taiwanesse cheap clunker which I fitted with a good drive chain until the spare cash allowed me to buy a very good GP frame. Had the bike shop braze on water bottle mounts and said I'd do the painting, which i just slapped on awfully. Bike shop guy was horrified, but as I pointed out, the average tea leaf would have a similar reaction and not look closely at the drive chainand other stuff and thus turn their attentin elsewhere. rode that bike for decades. |
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