Frames used to be a little more complicated

On 24 Jan, 21:51, AMuzi wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/yac5m39

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

I see the name "Garford" on the saddle, wonder if there's any connection
with the Garford that manufactured automobiles? *Only reason I know that
name is because there was a Studebaker-Garford automobile, prior to
Studebaker introducing their own completely in-house designs. *(for
those who don't know, I have a penchant for 50's and 60's Studebaker
cars, hence my knowledge of such arcana; also, Studebaker started off as
a manufacturer of horse-drawn wagons, and transitioned to automobiles
first by outsourcing, as in the case of Garford, or in one instance,
purchasing EMF, an established automobile company)

Hmmm.... let me google that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Lovett_Garford

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studebaker-Garford

yup, same company. *And apparently credited with the first "padded
bicycle seat." *I learned something new today!

Also, I once broke down in Elyria, due to my alternator having failed
somewhere around Toledo. *I thought I could make it to Pittsburgh, where
I had family and friends, but then it started to rain

Nate, Nate, an alternator?
I would have thought a generator. Maybe a magneto.

Always a magneto with acetylene lamps. Or ws it carbon arc?

On 24 Jan, 22:28, * Still Just Me *
wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:51:40 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

Nate, Nate, an alternator?
I would have thought a generator. Maybe a magneto.

The Tesla designed bikes had alternators.

Just use a small motor off a toy car and connect to LED array.

AMuzi wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/yac5m39

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

I see the name "Garford" on the saddle, wonder if there's any
connection with the Garford that manufactured automobiles? Only
reason I know that name is because there was a Studebaker-Garford
automobile, prior to Studebaker introducing their own completely
in-house designs. (for those who don't know, I have a penchant for
50's and 60's Studebaker cars, hence my knowledge of such arcana;
also, Studebaker started off as a manufacturer of horse-drawn wagons,
and transitioned to automobiles first by outsourcing, as in the case
of Garford, or in one instance, purchasing EMF, an established
automobile company)

Hmmm.... let me google that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Lovett_Garford

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studebaker-Garford

yup, same company. And apparently credited with the first "padded
bicycle seat." I learned something new today!

Also, I once broke down in Elyria, due to my alternator having failed
somewhere around Toledo. I thought I could make it to Pittsburgh,
where I had family and friends, but then it started to rain


Nate, Nate, an alternator?
I would have thought a generator. Maybe a magneto.


I was driving a vee-dub... actually I was in one, my "old faithful"
Scirocco, and the girl was in another, a newer GTI. I had doubts about
the GTI so I went over it with a fine toothed comb before we left, but
I'd been driving the 'roccet every day for years and it'd never even
given me a hint of trouble without plenty of warning beforehand. I
can't remember why she preferred to drive the GTI, maybe because it rode
a little smoother (I'd worked over the suspension in the 'roccet a
couple years earlier to make it ride and handle more to my liking.)
That was the one and only time the Scirocco ever let me down, to the
point that it was unable to continue. Several centibucks and a day
later, and I was back on the road... shoulda never sold that car.

The GTI, of course, ran flawlessly the whole way to Maryland :/

nate

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Nate Nagel wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:
wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/yac5m39

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

I see the name "Garford" on the saddle, wonder if there's any
connection with the Garford that manufactured automobiles? Only
reason I know that name is because there was a Studebaker-Garford
automobile, prior to Studebaker introducing their own completely
in-house designs. (for those who don't know, I have a penchant for
50's and 60's Studebaker cars, hence my knowledge of such arcana;
also, Studebaker started off as a manufacturer of horse-drawn wagons,
and transitioned to automobiles first by outsourcing, as in the case
of Garford, or in one instance, purchasing EMF, an established
automobile company)

Hmmm.... let me google that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Lovett_Garford

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studebaker-Garford

yup, same company. And apparently credited with the first "padded
bicycle seat." I learned something new today!

Also, I once broke down in Elyria, due to my alternator having failed
somewhere around Toledo. I thought I could make it to Pittsburgh,
where I had family and friends, but then it started to rain


Nate, Nate, an alternator?
I would have thought a generator. Maybe a magneto.


I was driving a vee-dub... actually I was in one, my "old faithful"
Scirocco, and the girl was in another, a newer GTI. I had doubts about
the GTI so I went over it with a fine toothed comb before we left, but
I'd been driving the 'roccet every day for years and it'd never even
given me a hint of trouble without plenty of warning beforehand. I
can't remember why she preferred to drive the GTI, maybe because it rode
a little smoother (I'd worked over the suspension in the 'roccet a
couple years earlier to make it ride and handle more to my liking.) That
was the one and only time the Scirocco ever let me down, to the point
that it was unable to continue. Several centibucks and a day later, and
I was back on the road... shoulda never sold that car.

The GTI, of course, ran flawlessly the whole way to Maryland :/

nate


Oh, and I forgot to mention, I don't own a car with a generator - the
'55 sports a Delco 10SI scavenged from some old Cadillac. My '62 had
the original Autolite generator, and I just never appreciated the charms
of having the wipers slow and headlights dim every time the engine
dropped below 1000 RPM. Retro-cool is nice, but only if it's functional!

nate
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-snip meandering Sunday conversation-

Nate Nagel wrote:
Oh, and I forgot to mention, I don't own a car with a
generator - the
'55 sports a Delco 10SI scavenged from some old Cadillac. My '62 had
the original Autolite generator, and I just never appreciated the charms
of having the wipers slow and headlights dim every time the engine
dropped below 1000 RPM. Retro-cool is nice, but only if it's functional!

Sure if you _always_ have a battery ...

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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Jan 24, 6:39*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
*Several centibucks and a day
later, and I was back on the road... *

If it really was centibucks, you were very lucky. A centibuck is a
little less than 20 millimeters diameter, and copper colored.

It usually takes some hectobucks to fix something like that.

- Frank Krygowski

On Jan 25, 12:11*am, AMuzi wrote:
-snip meandering Sunday conversation-

Nate Nagel wrote:

* Oh, and I forgot to mention, I don't own a car with a
generator - the

'55 sports a Delco 10SI scavenged from some old Cadillac. *My '62 had
the original Autolite generator, and I just never appreciated the charms
of having the wipers slow and headlights dim every time the engine
dropped below 1000 RPM. *Retro-cool is nice, but only if it's functional!

Sure if you _always_ have a battery ...

Phooey, you don't need a battery. A magneto is more than good enough.
It is also self-contained and beyond its manufacture wastes no more of
the earth's resources, unlike any other ignition system. I'm amazed
that on a cycling conference there can even be a discussion of the
relative merits of generators and dynamos with their accompanying
batteries.

Andre Jute
Real men swing starting handles

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:23:39 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/yac5m39

Obviously a crude early model without any urethane inserts
nor even one single aluminum-carbon glued joint.

Dear Andrew,

Mature frame technology, natural carbon-fiber:
http://www.nostalgic.net/pictures/1742.htm

Joints are bonded not with glue but with the oxy-ferric process.

Further details:
http://www.nostalgic.net/pictures/1740.htm
http://www.nostalgic.net/bicycle404.htm

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Andre Jute wrote:
On Jan 25, 12:11 am, AMuzi wrote:
-snip meandering Sunday conversation-

Nate Nagel wrote:

Oh, and I forgot to mention, I don't own a car with a
generator - the

'55 sports a Delco 10SI scavenged from some old Cadillac. My '62 had
the original Autolite generator, and I just never appreciated the charms
of having the wipers slow and headlights dim every time the engine
dropped below 1000 RPM. Retro-cool is nice, but only if it's functional!
Sure if you _always_ have a battery ...

Phooey, you don't need a battery. A magneto is more than good enough.
It is also self-contained and beyond its manufacture wastes no more of
the earth's resources, unlike any other ignition system. I'm amazed
that on a cycling conference there can even be a discussion of the
relative merits of generators and dynamos with their accompanying
batteries.

Andre Jute
Real men swing starting handles


Geez Andre. Nate has an alternator. Which needs a battery.

With a generator or magneto, one merely rolls the car while
in gear and it goes. (or park on a hill...)

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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Andre Jute wrote:

On Jan 24, 12:44Â*am, wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/yac5m39

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

I like this frame. With only a little development (double-butted
tubes, simplification of joints, balloon tyres instead of the
halfheart suspension, suchlike modernizations) it could be a very
comfortable and relatively lightweight modern frame. I absolutely love
the simple length adjustment of the cranks. BTW, considered only as a
triangulation, this is one frame in which the two seatstays are
superfluous, as the stacked chainstays are already triangulated, and
the seat tube too.

I would stay away from it. A steel frame that old has
lost its snap.

--
Michael Press