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Old September 6th 07, 01:59 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
SLAVE of THE STATE
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On Sep 5, 1:01 am, Donald Munro wrote:
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
As for the UCI/ASO/WADA/wadever, I'm now finding out that after having a
nice happy useful local organization for so many years, the regional arm
of the UCI implemented a rule which seems to have been designed solely
to **** off two groups of people:


1) non-UCI-licensed USCF racers
2) any local cycling club attempting to organize a race


Since group #2 is also known as the most active 60% of its constituency,
I'm not sure what the heck is going on. There have already been
prominent local racers/race organizers who have jumped ship thanks to
this mess.


Which one of their really stupid rules ? They seem to be specialise
in creating really stupid rules like the no leg warmers above a certain
temp (one of our local commissars, who would have done well as a Soviet
era commissar, didn't read the whole rule and decided it was no leg
warmers period), no sleeveless jerseys etc.


If we didn't have central control of all aspects of our lives, think
of the pure chaos that would ensue!!! We need wise legislators and
executives because they know so much, and we so little. Get with the
program. Be assimilated. No problem cannot be solved by more money
and top-down commands.

Why should bike racing be any different? For example, I'm sure you
can ask Casey, and he will give you a bucket full of reasons why it
was "good" that the NCNCA rejoined THE USA CYCLING BORG. (The measure
to rejoin passed by one steenking vote, btw.)


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Old September 6th 07, 02:34 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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In article ,
Bob Schwartz wrote:

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
In article ,


The rule that's causing so much strife is neither of those. The rule is
that non-UCI USCF licenses (which I think means the "domestic" type) are
no longer recognized for local races:

http://www.usacycling.org/news/user/story.php?id=2727

Note that a USCF Domestic Road license costs $60, and an International
license costs $150. You can guess how many riders below Div. III have
International licenses, and how many are likely to buy them so they can
do two or three Canadian races a year.

This burns us big time, given the participation of a fair number of US
riders at some races, especially our Spring training series. This year,
the WWU team showed up as always, only to be turned away at the
registration desk, because they weren't aware of the new rule, and
because we had no way of accommodating out-of-province riders with a
temporary license or insurance.


Is there any reason you can't run races, especially training races,
using a citizen race format?

The USCF closed that loophole a couple of years ago, but we used
to take advantage of it for years. Maybe the Canadian fed still
allows something similar.


Well, maybe. I don't know.

The issue with a citizen's race is always the matter of securing
insurance, but whether it would lead to sanctions against the club, I
really don't know. We run the two biggest and most popular recurring
race series in the province (Tuesday night crits and weekend spring
training races) and neither is points-bearing for category standings or
upgrades. But for both series, we require race licenses, which I think
is largely a matter of proof-of-insurance.

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to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Old September 6th 07, 05:13 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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"SLAVE of THE STATE" wrote in message
oups.com...

Why should bike racing be any different? For example, I'm sure you
can ask Casey, and he will give you a bucket full of reasons why it
was "good" that the NCNCA rejoined THE USA CYCLING BORG. (The measure
to rejoin passed by one steenking vote, btw.)


While I really hated the fact that NCNCA rejoined USA Cycling, I can
understand why they did it. He and the few other officers do that job that
takes a huge amount of time and pays almost nothing. The USCF does a lot of
the work that Casey would have to do if the NCNCA stayed independent.

So while I do NOT like USA Cycling I can understand the NCNCA's position.

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Old September 6th 07, 09:01 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Donald Munro
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SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
If we didn't have central control of all aspects of our lives, think
of the pure chaos that would ensue!!! We need wise legislators and
executives because they know so much, and we so little. Get with the
program. Be assimilated. No problem cannot be solved by more money
and top-down commands.


Actually you should make a (tax deductible) donation to the UCI since
they illustrate your anti guvmint cause so admirably, they could
help you get more recruits. That is, if you have anything left after
feeding your (non-tax deductible) primates.

 




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