Papp, Joseph

Who was Joe Papp's recent Team Director? Was it Joe Sailing, part of
the NJ "cycling mafia" as we called them.


I ask because of what I read in an interview in Velonews:
http://www.velonews.com/train/articles/13149.0.html

snipped VeloNews: As I understand it you were taking EPO, found out
you had a much higher hematocrit than expected and went on a blood
thinner to attempt to avoid the risk of a blood clot or other
complication resulting from high hematocrit. Exactly how high did your
hematocrit go?

Joe Papp: 58

VN: Did anyone suggest the blood thinner to you such as a medically-
trained person?

JP: It was suggested to me by my team director, who was not medically-
trained.

"Charles" wrote in message
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Who was Joe Papp's recent Team Director? Was it Joe Sailing, part of
the NJ "cycling mafia" as we called them.

JP: It was suggested to me by my team director, who was not medically-
trained.

Well, I know that I would jump at the chance of taking dangerous drugs if it
was suggested by a nobody without the slightest medical training. This is
ALL on Joe Papp and no one else.

On Sep 5, 8:35 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Charles" wrote in message

oups.com...

Who was Joe Papp's recent Team Director? Was it Joe Sailing, part of
the NJ "cycling mafia" as we called them.

JP: It was suggested to me by my team director, who was not medically-
trained.

Well, I know that I would jump at the chance of taking dangerous drugs if it
was suggested by a nobody without the slightest medical training. This is
ALL on Joe Papp and no one else.

No **** Sherlock, but someone else was involved. e.g. someone else
participated. He allowed it but ... Obviously

In article ,
"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:

"Charles" wrote in message
oups.com...
Who was Joe Papp's recent Team Director? Was it Joe Sailing, part of
the NJ "cycling mafia" as we called them.

JP: It was suggested to me by my team director, who was not medically-
trained.

Well, I know that I would jump at the chance of taking dangerous drugs if it
was suggested by a nobody without the slightest medical training. This is
ALL on Joe Papp and no one else.

1) Joe Papp is fundamentally responsible for what goes into his body
with his knowledge.

2) If someone else is encouraging Joe to put something into his body,
and that someone else should know better (in this case, they ought to
have known that they had no clue and were risking Joe's life), then they
have moral culpability. The fact that in this case, consequences were
dodged shouldn't mitigate that culpability, though for very good reasons
it changes their legal culpability.

Blind men ought not to advertise themselves as sight-guides for the
visually impaired,

--
Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

On Sep 5, 8:29 pm, Charles wrote:
I ask because of what I read in an interview in Velonews:http://www.velonews.com/train/articles/13149.0.html

As I understand it you were taking EPO, found out
you had a much higher hematocrit than expected and went on a blood
thinner to attempt to avoid the risk of a blood clot or other
complication resulting from high hematocrit. Exactly how high did your
hematocrit go?

Joe Papp: 58

VN: Did anyone suggest the blood thinner to you such as a medically-
trained person?

JP: It was suggested to me by my team director, who was not medically-
trained.

Jesus Christ. I would have read that stupid CyclingNews diary
religiously if he were publishing this kind of great stuff in there.
What a bunch of ****ing amateurs. I bet he would have done a Cytomax
douche up his mangina if his DS told him it would help.

Crashing out with anticoags running through the blood would be a bad
scene. Not to mention getting the old Polar to read out something in
the high 180s with an HCT of 58. Un****ingbelievable. I love it.

Thanks Joe,
DA74

On Sep 5, 11:52 pm, DA74 wrote:
On Sep 5, 8:29 pm, Charles wrote:

I ask because of what I read in an interview in Velonews:http://www.velonews.com/train/articles/13149.0.html

As I understand it you were taking EPO, found out
you had a much higher hematocrit than expected and went on a blood
thinner to attempt to avoid the risk of a blood clot or other
complication resulting from high hematocrit. Exactly how high did your
hematocrit go?

Joe Papp: 58

VN: Did anyone suggest the blood thinner to you such as a medically-
trained person?

JP: It was suggested to me by my team director, who was not medically-
trained.

Jesus Christ. I would have read that stupid CyclingNews diary
religiously if he were publishing this kind of great stuff in there.
What a bunch of ****ing amateurs. I bet he would have done a Cytomax
douche up his mangina if his DS told him it would help.

Crashing out with anticoags running through the blood would be a bad
scene. Not to mention getting the old Polar to read out something in
the high 180s with an HCT of 58. Un****ingbelievable. I love it.

Thanks Joe,
DA74

I like this from the official Joe Papp site:

"Joe Papp Accepting Coaching Clients
Added: 2007-08-29 15:35:46
Work with a USA Cycling-licensed elite coach who will help you reach
your cycling goals, and encourage you to do so cleanly!"

----
Dan Brekke
http://on-the-bike.net/

On Sep 6, 11:00 am, wrote:

"Joe Papp Accepting Coaching Clients
Added: 2007-08-29 15:35:46
Work with a USA Cycling-licensed elite coach who will help you reach
your cycling goals, and encourage you to do so cleanly!"

What is it with all these people becoming 'coaches'? You got guys who
didn't win crap as Cat 3's getting paid to tell people how reach their
cycling goals?

What's the coach : racer ratio these days?

And what's worse ... all these people pretending to be coaches, or
that people pay them?

schreef:
What is it with all these people becoming 'coaches'? You got guys who
didn't win crap as Cat 3's getting paid to tell people how reach their
cycling goals?

So you think cycling and coaching ability are correlated?


--
E. Dronkert

On Sep 6, 12:49 pm, Ewoud Dronkert
wrote:

So you think cycling and coaching ability are correlated?

I think ability doesn't make one a good coach, but being a good coach
requires some ability. (that seems to hold for other sports as
well). Certainly there are exceptions ... but I wouldn't give money
to someone who couldn't move out of the middle ranks of amateur
cycling.

wrote in message
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On Sep 6, 12:49 pm, Ewoud Dronkert
wrote:

So you think cycling and coaching ability are correlated?

I think ability doesn't make one a good coach, but being a good coach
requires some ability. (that seems to hold for other sports as
well). Certainly there are exceptions ... but I wouldn't give money
to someone who couldn't move out of the middle ranks of amateur
cycling.



Don't buy an NFL team then.