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Old September 7th 07, 02:31 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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well we all know we could coach better than our favorite team's coach
did last Sunday.


in any event ... a quick Wikipedia check of current NFL coaches showed
that they all (not 100% sure of Detroit) played college ball or higher.


Sounds like the middle ranks of amateur football to me.

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Old September 7th 07, 02:41 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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in any event ... a quick Wikipedia check of current NFL coaches showed
that they all (not 100% sure of Detroit) played college ball or higher.


Sounds like the middle ranks of amateur football to me.


I wouldn't equate college football with Cat 3 bike racing.


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Old September 7th 07, 03:31 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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In article .com,
" wrote:

On Sep 6, 8:20 pm, RonSonic wrote:


Landry was an excellent pro defensive back.


And Casey Stengel played in the majors.


For what it's worth, I believe that more than a few gymnastics coaches were never
particularly good at gymnastics (if they even did them). Anyway, I think coaching and
being a good racer are two different skill sets. A coach should be able to describe
or motivate his client to be able to perform certain skills, but that doesn't really
mean they had to have been good at performing those skills themselves. They may have
known what was required to be a successful racer but simply lacked the power to
actually succeed at doing those things.

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Old September 7th 07, 10:13 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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I wouldn't equate college football with Cat 3 bike racing.


Cat 3's do less steroids ?

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Old September 7th 07, 02:11 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Default Papp, Joseph

Michael Press wrote:


The great coaches did not play the game at high levels.
Scotty Bowman, Casey Stengal, Tom Landry to name but a few.



It could certainly be argued that Scotty *coached* at a beginning level
and as his experience grew he coached at higher and higher levels until
the NHL expansion at which time I believe he landed a coaching job with
the Blues ?


And as a Junior - Playing in Canada was certainly at a *much* higher
level than a Cat III in my opinion.


Bill


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Old September 7th 07, 02:59 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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William R. Mattil wrote:
And as a Junior - Playing in Canada was certainly at a *much* higher
level than a Cat III in my opinion.


And Scotty topped out due to injury rather than ability. Which
worked out well because it got him started in coaching earlier.

Bob Schwartz
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Old September 7th 07, 03:32 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:31:51 -0700, Howard Kveck
wrote:

In article .com,
" wrote:

On Sep 6, 8:20 pm, RonSonic wrote:


Landry was an excellent pro defensive back.


And Casey Stengel played in the majors.


For what it's worth, I believe that more than a few gymnastics coaches were never
particularly good at gymnastics (if they even did them). Anyway, I think coaching and
being a good racer are two different skill sets. A coach should be able to describe
or motivate his client to be able to perform certain skills, but that doesn't really
mean they had to have been good at performing those skills themselves. They may have
known what was required to be a successful racer but simply lacked the power to
actually succeed at doing those things.


That's the coach I"m looking for. The one who may not have had physical gifts,
but figured out how to do well anyway. I don't know how much of that applies in
cycling, where a smart guy makes up for a lack of physical talent. I do know
there are guys who are almost too smart for the game who are better as coaches.

Ron
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Old September 7th 07, 06:41 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Sep 7, 5:13 am, Donald Munro wrote:

Cat 3's do less steroids ?


that's right ... those Cat 3's just aren't committed enough.

 




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