Landis Hearing Closed

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DR

"DirtRoadie" wrote in message
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If he's found not guilty I hope he sues WADA, the UCI and the Tour
organization into bankruptcy.

If he's found not guilty I hope he sues WADA, the UCI and the Tour
organization into bankruptcy.

Have you communicated this directly to those in charge of the hearings?
Perhaps they'll rethink the concept of coming up with a fair decision and
instead decide to declare him guilty regardless, since that would decrease
the civil exposure to the powers-that-be.

Perhaps it would be more appropriate to hope for justice that's blind to
such things.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

On Sep 14, 9:12 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
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If he's found not guilty I hope he sues WADA, the UCI and the Tour
organization into bankruptcy.

25 years ago I was proud of being an attorney. Kunich-minded tort
chasers changed that.
Best,
Bill Black

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On Sep 14, 9:12 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"DirtRoadie" wrote in message

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If he's found not guilty I hope he sues WADA, the UCI and the Tour
organization into bankruptcy.

25 years ago I was proud of being an attorney. Kunich-minded tort
chasers changed that.

Tell is something Bill, while you were proud being an attorney did some
sorts group falsely accuse a leading athlete of cheating and then spend more
than a year of the most profitable period of that athlete's life finagling
about it?

Something tells me that as an attorney you hadn't a single clue about what
the hell you were really supposed to be doing. My guess is that Daniel
Webster was more in your line.

On Sep 15, 8:58 am, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
Tell is something Bill, while you were proud being an attorney did some
sorts group falsely accuse a leading athlete of cheating and then spend more
than a year of the most profitable period of that athlete's life finagling
about it?

OK, Tom, you made an accusation ("falsely accuse").

How about an A-Z explanation of what happened with Floyd, incl. the
original test, and the subsequent tests?
IOW, using your expertise, line it out for readers here, if you would,
please. Thank you. --D-y

On Sep 15, 10:13 am, "
wrote:

OK, Tom, you made an accusation ("falsely accuse").

How about an A-Z explanation of what happened with Floyd, incl. the
original test, and the subsequent tests?
IOW, using your expertise, line it out for readers here, if you would,
please. Thank you. --D-y

YAAAHHHH!!!!! Tell me you did NOT just write that!!
You got your red union suit on and running around in the pasture too?
Maybe poking some bears with sticks?
Bill C
Not a lawyer, but I think Bill Black treads a really reasonable,
rational line on when and how to take action. New England owes Bill a
huge debt, and always will, for stepping up and fighting hard for
making things better in cycling here. I'm not sure he gets a lot of
credit, or recognition outside of the handful of people who do things
like show up for the Nebra meetings or promote races.
To make it short, Bill always gets the benefit of the doubt, and a
rethink on my part, just to make sure I want to disagree with him.
Even then I have a sneaking suspicion he's probably right anyway.
He's pretty damned high on the list of people in the sport I respect.
Bill C

On Sep 15, 9:58 am, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
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On Sep 14, 9:12 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"DirtRoadie" wrote in message

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200.../14/landis.ap/

If he's found not guilty I hope he sues WADA, the UCI and the Tour
organization into bankruptcy.

25 years ago I was proud of being an attorney. Kunich-minded tort
chasers changed that.

Tell is something Bill, while you were proud being an attorney did some
sorts group falsely accuse a leading athlete of cheating and then spend more
than a year of the most profitable period of that athlete's life finagling
about it?

Something tells me that as an attorney you hadn't a single clue about what
the hell you were really supposed to be doing. My guess is that Daniel
Webster was more in your line.

Every system, judicial or otherwise, must function well for the
majority of its applications. Legislation/design by anecdote leads
only to disorganization and chaos -- much like your grammar and
attempts at thought.
Best,
Bill Black

On Sep 15, 9:52 am, Bill C wrote:

YAAAHHHH!!!!! Tell me you did NOT just write that!!
You got your red union suit on and running around in the pasture too?
Maybe poking some bears with sticks?

No, just shooting off some electrons g.

TK has written to the effect that the large difference between test
results with Floyd's A and B ("other half of the A") sample are proof
of contamination of at least the B ("other half of the A") sample. I
believe he has contended that the results were so greviously bad the
test should have been thrown out immediately. Not Floyd. g, rueful.

That's one point. Another "problem" I have is the retro-testing they
did on Floyd which, if I followed this all, seems like a big, big CYA
maneuver to get him for something if the first test turns out to be a
giant ****up, which is what it looks like to me.

Then we have the lack of confidentiality and white-out, and leaks to
the press, that area of stupidity.

I'm merely inviting discussion at this late date.

Here, bossy bossy... --D-y

On Sep 15, 9:54 am, billb wrote:
Every system, judicial or otherwise, must function well for the
majority of its applications.

I just want to be clear that I was only asking Kunich to state his
case.

I was nice and said please in hopes of seeing a calm, ordered
presentation of information and opinion. He (Tom Kunich) is very
capable, when he chooses, to perform in such a manner.

There are people in every occupation at every level who are doing
their best to make it hard to take pride in what one does every day.
Maybe including people who work in French "drug labs", is my point
here.

OK, is it time to hop over and hope the fence holds, again? --D-y