Highway Code consultation

The revision consultation for the Highway Code is now open. Closing
date is May 1, I think.

Rule 58 is expanded to 'use cycle facilities ... where these are
provided' (instead of 'where practicable'). If that gets through, we
have effectively lost our right to use the road anywhere the man from
the council has been out with his paint pot, regardless of utility,
condition or quality of the "facility".

For what it's worth, I'd like to see a fundamental structural change
to the Code. As it is, there are two classes of rule: law ("must")
and rule ("should") - this puts wearing a fluorescent jacket on an
equal footing with not overtaking on bends in terms of strength of
recommendation.

Instead, I suggest there should be three kinds of content: general
guidance and advice (preferably written in prose rather than as
numbered rules), safety-critical information, failure to follow which
may be evidence of driving without due care or some other offence, and
law.

Guy
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85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

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The revision consultation for the Highway Code is now open. Closing
date is May 1, I think.

Rule 58 is expanded to 'use cycle facilities ... where these are
provided' (instead of 'where practicable'). If that gets through, we
have effectively lost our right to use the road anywhere the man from
the council has been out with his paint pot, regardless of utility,
condition or quality of the "facility".

For what it's worth, I'd like to see a fundamental structural change
to the Code. As it is, there are two classes of rule: law ("must")
and rule ("should") - this puts wearing a fluorescent jacket on an
equal footing with not overtaking on bends in terms of strength of
recommendation.

Instead, I suggest there should be three kinds of content: general
guidance and advice (preferably written in prose rather than as
numbered rules), safety-critical information, failure to follow which
may be evidence of driving without due care or some other offence, and
law.

Guy
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May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

Guy, I know you're busy but I've googled to see if there is a link to the
new proposals and checked the Dept of transport site. Do you have a link so
I can read this and then hopefully comment?

Julia

Just zis Guy, you know? twisted the electrons to say:
Rule 58 is expanded to 'use cycle facilities ... where these are
provided' (instead of 'where practicable'). If that gets through, we
have effectively lost our right to use the road anywhere the man from
the council has been out with his paint pot, regardless of utility,
condition or quality of the "facility".

.... and how do one add ones voice to this consultation since, as you say,
the new rule 58 is plainly a really bad idea?

Instead, I suggest there should be three kinds of content: general
guidance and advice (preferably written in prose rather than as
numbered rules), safety-critical information, failure to follow which
may be evidence of driving without due care or some other offence, and
law.

I think you want to use the wording from RFCs - May / Should / Must?
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Let alone connected with my employer ...

JBB wrote:
Guy, I know you're busy but I've googled to see if there is a link to the
new proposals and checked the Dept of transport site. Do you have a link so
I can read this and then hopefully comment?

Yeah same here....

Also is there a change to the recommendation to the 18 mph limit on cycle paths
because if there isn't then it would seem to be contradictory or it would
be saying that cyclists aren't allowed to exceed 18mph where a cycle path is
available..

Consultation link is here http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Content.asp?id=SX1354-A7827478

lid wrote:
Consultation link is here http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Content.asp?id=SX1354-A7827478

And the actual wording of rule 58 is

When cycling
58. Use cycle routes when practicable and cycle facilities
such as advanced stop lines, cycle boxes and toucan
crossings where they are provided, as they can make your
journeys safer.

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Consultation link is here
http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Content.asp?id=SX1354-A7827478

Thanks very much - I just need to google for thes tudies on cycle lane
safety and I'm away..

Julia

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lid wrote:
Consultation link is here
http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Content.asp?id=SX1354-A7827478

And the actual wording of rule 58 is

When cycling
58. Use cycle routes when practicable and cycle facilities
such as advanced stop lines, cycle boxes and toucan
crossings where they are provided, as they can make your
journeys safer.

At least there is no mention of either having to use on-road cycle lanes, or
roadside cycle paths.

http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Content.asp?id=SX1354-A7827478

When cycling
58. Use cycle routes when practicable and cycle facilities
such as advanced stop lines, cycle boxes and toucan
crossings where they are provided, as they can make your
journeys safer.

60. Cycle Lanes. These are marked by a white line (which
may be broken) along the carriageway (see Rule 134). Keep
within the lane wherever possible.

Bleugh. "Use cycle routes when practicable cycle facilities
.... where provided"

"Cycle lanes ... Keep within the lane wherever possible"




After writing several drafts I've given up and will just plagiarise someone
elses.

I presume form letters don't carry the same weight, so suggest that after
the usual discussion we can thrash out what we don't like, what the wording
should be, and if anything else (references to studies?) be included in out
submissions. We can then go off and flesh it out so that teacher won't
notice.

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lid wrote:
Consultation link is here
http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Content.asp?id=SX1354-A7827478

At least there is no mention of either having to use on-road cycle lanes, or
roadside cycle paths.

Try rule 60 then:
Cycle Lanes. These are marked by a white line (which may be broken)
along the carriageway. (see rule 134). Keep within the lane wherever
possible.

note this doesn't say "practical", only possible, so presumably if it's
at all possible we are expected to be in the cycle lane.

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Colin

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