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Settled Science?
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 5:43:27 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/29/2018 7:02 PM, wrote: On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:09:15 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/29/2018 9:51 AM, wrote: Sorry, you're not going to get away with that. You are not "liberal". You are a socialist proud and loud. You are NOT for more freedom as liberalism was originally but for not less but none at all. No one in any walk of life that knows even 1000 times more about anything than you has the slightest right not to just a right to speak it but in even daring to hold and opinion contrary to yours. You are looking for all the good little Germans that would drape the NAZI flag over their balconies so that the Brown Shirts would know that they wouldn't oppose the socialist Hitler in anything he did. What used to be a Democrat Party is now the Brown Shirts. Those who believe that anything no matter how corrupt is fine when opposing conservatism. You have shown a level of evil even in these conversations that would have you beaten almost to death in any bar in California in the 1950's. And you actually glory in it thinking that YOU are going to be one of the ones that Pol Pot takes over onto his side. Sorry he murdered everyone without discrimination. He even had his own murderers murdered. That is the socialist way - there can be only one king and he must prove it. Whether it be Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin or any other of the communist states. Tom, you sound totally unhinged. -- - Frank Krygowski And after you watching Jay post his communist propaganda you have agreed with him on every front. He is for helping everyone else as long as he using the money of someone else. Sounded to me like he's done a pretty fair amount of helping on his own, using his own time and money. But that wasn't what I was addressing. I was just saying you sound totally unhinged. I'm just hoping you don't appear in the headlines, with links to your Usenet posts. -- - Frank Krygowski It is far more likely that you'll appear in the headlines for driving a truck through a pro-American rally. Or maybe you can cheer on Jay telling me what Californian welfare laws are. I have been told by many people on welfare that you have to have a permanent address to draw welfare. But he doesn't give a damn what happened to that woman - he wants to make some socialist points. |
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Settled Science?
On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 8:29:03 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Boy, this is an amusing thread. I'm waiting for someone to shoot someone just because he has another opinion. Lou, here someone is allowed to be a socialist or even a communist or a fascist. Yes lou, but they are also called out for it. The high population areas of the entire West Coast totally control the three state's government and have been screwing over the rest of these states for decades. Imagine cutting off water to the farmers to save the Delta Smelt! California has ALWAYS had droughts and many far far worse than two years ago and the poor poor smelt always managed to survive. But the Environmentalists have control of a large portion of the state's government and use fear tactics to use the population centers to order the government about. |
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Settled Science?
On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 8:50:25 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/30/2018 11:28 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 1:43:27 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/29/2018 7:02 PM, wrote: On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:09:15 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/29/2018 9:51 AM, wrote: Sorry, you're not going to get away with that. You are not "liberal". You are a socialist proud and loud. You are NOT for more freedom as liberalism was originally but for not less but none at all. No one in any walk of life that knows even 1000 times more about anything than you has the slightest right not to just a right to speak it but in even daring to hold and opinion contrary to yours. You are looking for all the good little Germans that would drape the NAZI flag over their balconies so that the Brown Shirts would know that they wouldn't oppose the socialist Hitler in anything he did. What used to be a Democrat Party is now the Brown Shirts. Those who believe that anything no matter how corrupt is fine when opposing conservatism. You have shown a level of evil even in these conversations that would have you beaten almost to death in any bar in California in the 1950's. And you actually glory in it thinking that YOU are going to be one of the ones that Pol Pot takes over onto his side. Sorry he murdered everyone without discrimination. He even had his own murderers murdered. That is the socialist way - there can be only one king and he must prove it. Whether it be Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin or any other of the communist states. Tom, you sound totally unhinged. -- - Frank Krygowski And after you watching Jay post his communist propaganda you have agreed with him on every front. He is for helping everyone else as long as he using the money of someone else. Sounded to me like he's done a pretty fair amount of helping on his own, using his own time and money. But that wasn't what I was addressing. I was just saying you sound totally unhinged. I'm just hoping you don't appear in the headlines, with links to your Usenet posts. -- - Frank Krygowski Boy, this is an amusing thread. I'm waiting for someone to shoot someone just because he has another opinion. Lou, here someone is allowed to be a socialist or even a communist or a fascist. Well, this is the "land of the free." To some, that translates as "No socialism allowed." -- - Frank Krygowski To those of use that actually study history we know that socialism ALWAYS devolves to an oligarchy or a dictatorship. That must be your idea of "The land of the free". |
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Settled Science?
On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 9:27:09 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 5:43:27 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/29/2018 7:02 PM, wrote: On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:09:15 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/29/2018 9:51 AM, wrote: Sorry, you're not going to get away with that. You are not "liberal". You are a socialist proud and loud. You are NOT for more freedom as liberalism was originally but for not less but none at all. No one in any walk of life that knows even 1000 times more about anything than you has the slightest right not to just a right to speak it but in even daring to hold and opinion contrary to yours. You are looking for all the good little Germans that would drape the NAZI flag over their balconies so that the Brown Shirts would know that they wouldn't oppose the socialist Hitler in anything he did. What used to be a Democrat Party is now the Brown Shirts. Those who believe that anything no matter how corrupt is fine when opposing conservatism. You have shown a level of evil even in these conversations that would have you beaten almost to death in any bar in California in the 1950's. And you actually glory in it thinking that YOU are going to be one of the ones that Pol Pot takes over onto his side. Sorry he murdered everyone without discrimination. He even had his own murderers murdered. That is the socialist way - there can be only one king and he must prove it. Whether it be Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin or any other of the communist states. Tom, you sound totally unhinged. -- - Frank Krygowski And after you watching Jay post his communist propaganda you have agreed with him on every front. He is for helping everyone else as long as he using the money of someone else. Sounded to me like he's done a pretty fair amount of helping on his own, using his own time and money. But that wasn't what I was addressing. I was just saying you sound totally unhinged. I'm just hoping you don't appear in the headlines, with links to your Usenet posts. -- - Frank Krygowski It is far more likely that you'll appear in the headlines for driving a truck through a pro-American rally. Or maybe you can cheer on Jay telling me what Californian welfare laws are. I have been told by many people on welfare that you have to have a permanent address to draw welfare. But he doesn't give a damn what happened to that woman - he wants to make some socialist points. You have been given wrong information: https://homelesslaw.wordpress.com/20...ty-disability/ http://www.cdss.ca.gov/getinfo/faq/faqsprogram.html https://www.sccgov.org/ssa/afdc/afchap36.pdf Note: http://endhomelessness.org/wp-conten...F-CalWorks.pdf "Can a homeless person receive food stamps? Yes. A person must reside in the county in which an application is filed. Residence in a permanent dwelling or a fixed mailing address is not required.." A permanent residence is not required to receive welfare benefits. There are county or state residency requirements, but those can be satisfied by the homeless. In Oakland, $5 will get you a two-shot latte. What is more important to a person in real need -- $5 or help in getting permanent housing, financial assistance, healthcare, etc., etc? You should become a community ambassador. https://www.alamedasocialservices.or...rs_program.cfm I know nothing about the lady you encountered, but I don't give money to the homeless on the street for three reasons (1) I'd go broke because there is a homeless person every ten feet downtown, and (2) it promotes behavior I dislike -- pan-handling, and (3) I have no control over how the money is spent, e.g. whether it goes to housing or drugs. I give my time and money to social service organizations and give professional help to people in the social services system. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 10/30/2018 1:14 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 9:27:09 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 5:43:27 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/29/2018 7:02 PM, wrote: On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:09:15 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/29/2018 9:51 AM, wrote: Sorry, you're not going to get away with that. You are not "liberal". You are a socialist proud and loud. You are NOT for more freedom as liberalism was originally but for not less but none at all. No one in any walk of life that knows even 1000 times more about anything than you has the slightest right not to just a right to speak it but in even daring to hold and opinion contrary to yours. You are looking for all the good little Germans that would drape the NAZI flag over their balconies so that the Brown Shirts would know that they wouldn't oppose the socialist Hitler in anything he did. What used to be a Democrat Party is now the Brown Shirts. Those who believe that anything no matter how corrupt is fine when opposing conservatism. You have shown a level of evil even in these conversations that would have you beaten almost to death in any bar in California in the 1950's. And you actually glory in it thinking that YOU are going to be one of the ones that Pol Pot takes over onto his side. Sorry he murdered everyone without discrimination. He even had his own murderers murdered. That is the socialist way - there can be only one king and he must prove it. Whether it be Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin or any other of the communist states. Tom, you sound totally unhinged. -- - Frank Krygowski And after you watching Jay post his communist propaganda you have agreed with him on every front. He is for helping everyone else as long as he using the money of someone else. Sounded to me like he's done a pretty fair amount of helping on his own, using his own time and money. But that wasn't what I was addressing. I was just saying you sound totally unhinged. I'm just hoping you don't appear in the headlines, with links to your Usenet posts. -- - Frank Krygowski It is far more likely that you'll appear in the headlines for driving a truck through a pro-American rally. Or maybe you can cheer on Jay telling me what Californian welfare laws are. I have been told by many people on welfare that you have to have a permanent address to draw welfare. But he doesn't give a damn what happened to that woman - he wants to make some socialist points. You have been given wrong information: .... or have imagined it. In Tom's case, I now suspect the latter. I know nothing about the lady you encountered, but I don't give money to the homeless on the street for three reasons (1) I'd go broke because there is a homeless person every ten feet downtown, and (2) it promotes behavior I dislike -- pan-handling, and (3) I have no control over how the money is spent, e.g. whether it goes to housing or drugs. I give my time and money to social service organizations and give professional help to people in the social services system. I agree, with one exception: I strongly approve of good buskers, or street musicians - anything but rap or hard rock. If someone is making halfway decent music, I'll give them a buck or two. If they're really good, I'll give more. A tale about panhandlers: One day long ago I had just ridden my bike to work, and was leaning it against a wall while I unclipped my eyeglass mirror and wiped my brow. A guy walked up to me and asked for some money. "Hey man, I had nothing to eat eaten since breakfast yesterday. I'm really hungry! I just want to go buy something to eat. Can you just give me a little money for food?" I reached into my handlebar bag and said "I can give you this apple. Would you like it?" He said "@#%* you, you #&^*@^$!" and stomped off. I guess he wasn't so hungry after all. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 10/30/2018 12:33 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 8:50:25 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/30/2018 11:28 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 1:43:27 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/29/2018 7:02 PM, wrote: On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:09:15 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/29/2018 9:51 AM, wrote: Sorry, you're not going to get away with that. You are not "liberal". You are a socialist proud and loud. You are NOT for more freedom as liberalism was originally but for not less but none at all. No one in any walk of life that knows even 1000 times more about anything than you has the slightest right not to just a right to speak it but in even daring to hold and opinion contrary to yours. You are looking for all the good little Germans that would drape the NAZI flag over their balconies so that the Brown Shirts would know that they wouldn't oppose the socialist Hitler in anything he did. What used to be a Democrat Party is now the Brown Shirts. Those who believe that anything no matter how corrupt is fine when opposing conservatism. You have shown a level of evil even in these conversations that would have you beaten almost to death in any bar in California in the 1950's. And you actually glory in it thinking that YOU are going to be one of the ones that Pol Pot takes over onto his side. Sorry he murdered everyone without discrimination. He even had his own murderers murdered. That is the socialist way - there can be only one king and he must prove it. Whether it be Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin or any other of the communist states. Tom, you sound totally unhinged. -- - Frank Krygowski And after you watching Jay post his communist propaganda you have agreed with him on every front. He is for helping everyone else as long as he using the money of someone else. Sounded to me like he's done a pretty fair amount of helping on his own, using his own time and money. But that wasn't what I was addressing. I was just saying you sound totally unhinged. I'm just hoping you don't appear in the headlines, with links to your Usenet posts. -- - Frank Krygowski Boy, this is an amusing thread. I'm waiting for someone to shoot someone just because he has another opinion. Lou, here someone is allowed to be a socialist or even a communist or a fascist. Well, this is the "land of the free." To some, that translates as "No socialism allowed." -- - Frank Krygowski To those of use that actually study history we know that socialism ALWAYS devolves to an oligarchy or a dictatorship. That must be your idea of "The land of the free". Please educate me. I don't see the "always" part happening in Europe. Is a Swedish dictator on the horizon? -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 10:14:10 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 9:27:09 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 5:43:27 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/29/2018 7:02 PM, wrote: On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:09:15 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/29/2018 9:51 AM, wrote: Sorry, you're not going to get away with that. You are not "liberal". You are a socialist proud and loud. You are NOT for more freedom as liberalism was originally but for not less but none at all. No one in any walk of life that knows even 1000 times more about anything than you has the slightest right not to just a right to speak it but in even daring to hold and opinion contrary to yours. You are looking for all the good little Germans that would drape the NAZI flag over their balconies so that the Brown Shirts would know that they wouldn't oppose the socialist Hitler in anything he did. What used to be a Democrat Party is now the Brown Shirts. Those who believe that anything no matter how corrupt is fine when opposing conservatism. You have shown a level of evil even in these conversations that would have you beaten almost to death in any bar in California in the 1950's. And you actually glory in it thinking that YOU are going to be one of the ones that Pol Pot takes over onto his side. Sorry he murdered everyone without discrimination. He even had his own murderers murdered. That is the socialist way - there can be only one king and he must prove it. Whether it be Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin or any other of the communist states. Tom, you sound totally unhinged. -- - Frank Krygowski And after you watching Jay post his communist propaganda you have agreed with him on every front. He is for helping everyone else as long as he using the money of someone else. Sounded to me like he's done a pretty fair amount of helping on his own, using his own time and money. But that wasn't what I was addressing. I was just saying you sound totally unhinged. I'm just hoping you don't appear in the headlines, with links to your Usenet posts. -- - Frank Krygowski It is far more likely that you'll appear in the headlines for driving a truck through a pro-American rally. Or maybe you can cheer on Jay telling me what Californian welfare laws are. I have been told by many people on welfare that you have to have a permanent address to draw welfare. But he doesn't give a damn what happened to that woman - he wants to make some socialist points. You have been given wrong information: https://homelesslaw.wordpress.com/20...ty-disability/ http://www.cdss.ca.gov/getinfo/faq/faqsprogram.html https://www.sccgov.org/ssa/afdc/afchap36.pdf Note: http://endhomelessness.org/wp-conten...F-CalWorks.pdf "Can a homeless person receive food stamps? Yes. A person must reside in the county in which an application is filed. Residence in a permanent dwelling or a fixed mailing address is not required." A permanent residence is not required to receive welfare benefits. There are county or state residency requirements, but those can be satisfied by the homeless. In Oakland, $5 will get you a two-shot latte. What is more important to a person in real need -- $5 or help in getting permanent housing, financial assistance, healthcare, etc., etc? You should become a community ambassador.. https://www.alamedasocialservices.or...rs_program.cfm I know nothing about the lady you encountered, but I don't give money to the homeless on the street for three reasons (1) I'd go broke because there is a homeless person every ten feet downtown, and (2) it promotes behavior I dislike -- pan-handling, and (3) I have no control over how the money is spent, e.g. whether it goes to housing or drugs. I give my time and money to social service organizations and give professional help to people in the social services system. -- Jay Beattie. You have surprised no one that you don't give money to homeless. As a Democrat you prefer to give the money of other people. When I see people in need I do what I am personally capable of doing. I don't need to pay 15 layers of bureaucracy to shield me from the horrors. |
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On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 1:43:19 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/30/2018 12:33 PM, wrote: To those of use that actually study history we know that socialism ALWAYS devolves to an oligarchy or a dictatorship. That must be your idea of "The land of the free". Please educate me. I don't see the "always" part happening in Europe. Is a Swedish dictator on the horizon? Sweden is not a socialism. It is what they like to call a Democratic Socialism and what we here call a Welfare State. |
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