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On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 6:48:47 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/8/2017 6:00 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-08 14:51, wrote: [...] ... Now I have black chain lube stains all over my hands. Interestingly it gets black when riding lots of roads. On bike paths and singletrack it doesn't turn black. I use the same lube (White Lightning Epic Ride) for the road bike and the MTB. On the MTB I don't get black hands unless I use it for valley errand rides when the road bike is down for some reason like right now. Which makes me wonder what all those bike path foes are doing to their lungs. There have been quite a few studies showing that bike commuters live significantly longer than people who use other ways of getting to work. Those studies have gotten that result consistently, even after correcting for confounding variables. So whatever road riders are doing to their lungs, it appears to be beneficial overall. Cut the "Danger! Danger!" crap, Joerg. But "Danger Danger" are Joerg's 2nd favorite threads, right after "Please Please Me". |
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On 2017-09-10 18:25, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2017 07:46:08 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-09 21:41, John B. wrote: On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 08:28:40 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, September 9, 2017 at 8:03:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-08 19:08, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 6:52:52 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/8/2017 3:06 PM, Joerg wrote: O Same with the tires BTW. They had 60k miles, still half the tread but were well past 10 years. Looked good buy common recommendations state that means it's time to buy new tires. Try _that_ with a bicycle tire. 60,000 miles on the tires and they still had half the tread left? Meaning your car tires would last 120,000 miles if they weren't too old? Joerg, you need someone to edit your fantastic claims, to give them at least a _hint_ of plausibility. Joerg needs to learn that tires have a shelf-life. http://www.tiresafetygroup.com/tires...-in-six-years/ It's not just about tread wear. Age is exactly why I replaced them, as I wrote above. Good quality truck tries can be pushed past 10 years but not much. It greatly depends on whether the vehicle sits in the weather and sun all day. Mine doesn't, it lives in the garage, protected from sunlight and weather. I also gave the the occasional talc rub. I defended a death case involving tread separation on a tire that had more than half its tread left. It happens. I had it happen on a brand new bicycle tire. Pieces flew off to the point where I could barely push the bike home. But I had to because nobody could pick me up on singletrack. Bicyclists would be outraged if their tire tread fell of and killed them! I can't believe what car owners put up with. They should make car tires as durable as bike tires! And for a dollar. No, make that $.50. Gatorskin $45, tread completely gone after 2500mi. Truck tire, $65, tread 50% reduced after 60000mi. Any questions? Nashbar City Rambler $9.99. Any questions? https://tinyurl.com/y8qdglvs BTW, your truck tire is about half the price of the tires on my Subaru and hardly typical of a decent all-weather tire from Michelin or other quality tire maker. And the Gatorskin is just over-priced, but then again, the price is based on the market. It's capitalism. Buy something else. Now, you could go out and buy a hardcase tire that never dies, but it would be like riding on a wagon wheel. Go out and buy some of my Innova studs without the studs. Those are like tank tracks. I hate them. -- Jay Beattie. Seriously American truck tires last 120,000 miles? that is nearly 200,000 km. No. Read more carefully. You shall not run a tire for a street-operated motor vehicle all the way to zero tread. That can result in a nasty hydro-planing crash during rain and then you'd be deemed at fault no matter what, and rightfully so. Why ever not? Because if you cause a crash due to hydro-planing you are partially or fully at fault even if the other driver ran a stop sign. Same as driving soused. In some countries you can also get an expensive ticket for riding on bald tires. ... When I was 16 years old I had a car. Not much of a car I'll admit but I was the only kid in my high school class that actual had a car of his own. But as part of the deal with my father when he gave me the car was that I'd maintain it and pay for the everything myself. I drove on tires that were so worn that the re-capping places wouldn't take them. Not everything we did at 16 was smart or legal. Why did my father gave me the car? Well, because it was essentially valueless. It had "died" and the junk yard wanted $5.00 to come and haul it away so my father gave it to me. And I spent the next two years working days, nights and Sundays to keep it running and put enough gas in it to drive it Saturday nights. I got a basket case pretty much for free, fixed it up and drove that car for six years. Lowest cost of ownership I ever had in any vehicle, certainly including bicycles. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2017-09-10 18:15, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2017 07:27:16 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-09 21:28, John B. wrote: On Sat, 09 Sep 2017 07:50:11 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-08 20:39, John B. wrote: On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 11:48:38 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-07 18:10, John B. wrote: On Thu, 07 Sep 2017 07:19:58 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-06 16:50, John B. wrote: [...] ... Given Vietnam's history since, say the 1850's, the average Vietnamese is probably as happy under the present government as they were under previous regimes. Having met a lot of Vietnamese people, including people where not all relatives made it out, I do not think this is true. I also had relatives who had to live in a former communist country. They would have been shot if they had tried to leave. Nobody will ever tell me there is nothing wrong with communism. As a general statement, those who escaped from Vietnam were people with a certain amount of money. Call them the middle class. Not the ones I met. They didn't have much more than the shirt on their backs and most didn't own real estate over there or had much in terms of other wealth. A simple bicycle was already considered a luxury. And tell us, how did these penniless people buy the boat, provision the boat, acquire sufficient fuel, pay the bribes to the coast guard and navy necessary to start the voyage? The same way they do it in Mexiko, North Africa or the Middle East. Scraping money and tradeable goods such as bicyles, rickety motorcycles and whatever together. Which unfortunately also meant that not everyone in a larger family could get a boat ticket, it was only enough for some. Talk to people that went through this. Sometimes tears will well up in their eyes. For example, because they had to leave mom, dad and a lot of others behind. Or at least read up on it. http://www.complex.com/life/2015/12/...es-vietnam-war Quote "He ate rice with salted potatoes most nights". Is this the fare of a rich guy? Then, quote "In order to pay for his spot on the boat, my dad sold his bicycle and organized a small group of people to escape on the same trip. He said asking his mother for money was out of the question because "if she knew, she wouldn't let me go."" Later, quote "But by the fourth week, they were running out of bartering goods, so my dad and other refugees stopped along China's uninhabited shores to search for food in the jungle. They found guava trees and loaded up on the fruit—which ended up making everyone constipated. "Back on the boat, everyone was helping each other poop," he said". Ah yes, you are describing the events told by a person who, describes herself as "a writer, speaker, creative producer, and entrepreneur" and wasn't born when the events took place which were told to her long after they occurred. Are you implying they lied? They usually don't term it "lying" but still it is adding a connotation that implies something that wasn't true. You do not know that yet you are accusing her. I've often told the story about my grandfather saying that when he and my grandmother first moved to town he worked as a carpenter for $1,.00 a day. Which was true. But he told the story of an example of how hard he worked and how poor they were which wasn't true. But the facts are dollar a day was a more or less a normal workingman's salary in the 1800's. The Vietnam war wasn't in the 1800's. Her father was described as, "My dad, who lived in North Vietnam's capital of Hanoi, remembers the government rationing food stamps for every citizen. He ate rice with salted potatoes most nights. After the war, there was no freedom of speech, no freedom to travel, no freedom to protest." Interesting, but I wonder, really, as N.Vietnam had been governed by the Communist government of Ho Chi Minh since 1945. But your site says that "After the war, there was no freedom of speech, no freedom to travel, no freedom to protest." Do you suppose that 35 years after Ho Chi Minh had beaten the French, and more recently chased the Americans out of his country, and sorted out the Southerners that suddenly without notice things in Hanoi got worse? Truly? They did. The new government started a "cleansing action". Talk to people from there. But ones that got out, the others may be afraid to speak freely because that can have nasty results under communist regimes. In the North? That had supplied the soldiers to fight the war? I find no evidence that it happened. But even more revealing, they were the people who were the victors. They had beaten both the French and the Americans and "freed their country". Yes, in the North. As I said, talk to people from there. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/o...ement-too.html Quote "The dreaded security police rounded up hundreds of North Vietnamese citizens, including party officials, senior military officers, journalists, lawyers, writers and artists". And a diet of rice and potatoes? As the writer was raised, as far as I can tell, in the U.S. "potato" is probably intended to mean "white potato" which as far as I know is not raised in Vietnam in commercial quantities... but certainly makes for a good story. And, again the implication is only rice and potatoes... when I was in Vietnam people ate quite a variety of things, many of which while possibly cultivated, also grew wild. I agree that your story is a real tear jerker" but I suspect that like many stories that parents tell children is that there is a limited amount of truth and a whole lot of "how we did it in spite of all the problems". I believe the people I talked to and their stories were similar to this one. And I have no doubt of it. But equally, we have the "guest workers" who came to Germany to work in the factories and when their contracts ended they stayed as if they went back to Turkey they wouldn't get the"big money" that they were paid in Germany. That's got nothing to do with it. In Turkey they wouldn't have been rounded up by secret police and vanished back then. They could freely visit relatives even if they stayed in Germany (and yes, most did that for economic reasons). Nowadays I am not so sure about not being rounded up anymore for people who have voiced too much of a "dissident opinion". "During that time, Vietnamese refugees sailed to neighboring countries where they could stay in refugee camps, while waiting for sponsorship to resettle in countries like the United States." Ah, the penny drops. If we can get to a refugee camp we'll be fed, clothed and sheltered, and won't have to work, while we are waiting to go to America where everything is wonderful. Wouldn't you do the same if you lived in an oppressed country and in poverty that is most likely to become worse? I sure would, I'd try everything to get out if there is no hope in changing the status quo. And yes, then I'd try to find out what the most promising destination could be. Well, to an extent I live in countries that are repressed. If you were to speak disrespectfully about the King of Thailand you will probably be sentenced to a number of years in jail. Probably the same would happen if you'd anger the junta. And guess what, the average Thai hardly thinks about it. Why should he? It has always been that way, there is no material benefit in doing it, so why bother? I rather live in countries where such restrictions on free speech are not imposed. In Singapore, if you were to get up on your orange box and advocate communism you won't even be tried in court. They will simply lock you up under the "Emergency Laws" that have been in force since 1948. Do the Singaporean worry? Well, I've been living in or visiting the country for 50 years and I've never heard one mention it. I doubt they'd make you disappear though. When I lived in Indonesia if you loudly objected to the government you could be "disappeared" and I personally know of at least one case where it did happen. The Indonesian population wasn't leaving the country in droves. Not at all. I lived in the Netherlands and two large immigrant groups back in the 80's were people from the Caribbean and Indonesians. I might point out that in the mid 1800's the Chinese who came to the U.S. already referred to it as "The land of fat pork" which is probably a synonym for "Heaven" to a Chinese peasant who likely ate meat once a year.... or less. In short a story intended to elicited sympathy but very weak on truth, or perhaps I should say, "replete with innuendos eliciting sympathy". Nonsense. Talk to Vietnamese of your generation. I have. In fact I met and had several long conversations with a N. Vietnamese, or at least he was from Hanoi, and this would have been in the 1990's. A young chap, he was in Thailand looking into the computer business with the intent of importing computers from Thailand to Vietnam and had been introduced to me as some sort of computer expert as at the time I was writing a weekly newspaper column about computers. Strangely he gave no indication of being unhappy to live in Vietnam. Talk to older chaps around your age. They know. Vietnam has meantime adopted a lot of what Hungarians used to call "gulash-communism", named after a rich and very delicious national dish. A watered down version of communism where some enterpreneurial activities are tolerated as long as that doesn't displease the local communist party bosses. If you otherwise click your heels on demand and behave compliantly you can have a life. At least somewhat. Would I want to live there? Nope. A couple of the people I've worked with over the years since the 1970's were married to Vietnamese women who had, with their American husband's help, gotten their parents out of Vietnam. I never heard them talk about oppression. They talked about how much better life was here, largely because they were married to Americans who made a lot of money. Most won't talk about details until they know you really well. There is still a large residual of the fear that was drilled into them by the regime. This is why Vietnamese over here almost rebelled when an old law forbidding members of communist parties from running in public office in California was about to be abolished. Having known people who were tortured under communism I understand their fear. I would emphasis that in the, admittedly few, cases where I personally knew the facts the "poor improvised boat people" had money, and offered to pay for supplies. One in gold bullion. None of them I met falls into that category. They were simple workers. I've got a good friend who "escaped" from Hungary. He grew up and was educated, served in the Hungarian army and graduated from collage, under the communist government. I've asked him about live under the communists and he had no complaints at all. His reason for leaving the country? Well when he graduated from collage with a degree as a chemical engineer the government had a job for him as a "food chemist" and he wanted to work in the oil business. In fact I firmly believe that the reason most people fled the communists was primarily a financial one.... Ooooo I can make the big money in the West. That doesn't jibe with what I heard. One family fled communist oppression from Hungary. One of them didn't make it, was shot while crossing over. The fact alone that they made "fleeing the republic" a crime punishable by immediate death speaks volumes. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 9/9/2017 10:56 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-09-08 18:52, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/8/2017 3:06 PM, Joerg wrote: O Same with the tires BTW. They had 60k miles, still half the tread but were well past 10 years. Looked good buy common recommendations state that means it's time to buy new tires. Try _that_ with a bicycle tire. 60,000 miles on the tires and they still had half the tread left? Meaning your car tires would last 120,000 miles if they weren't too old? Yes. Not 120000mi but 100000mi, with ease. I wrote half the tread and I do not use tires until they are totally bald. It's not safe. Joerg, you need someone to edit your fantastic claims, to give them at least a _hint_ of plausibility. You need to start buying good products. You need to quit confusing your fantasies with reality. From https://www.consumerreports.org/tire...will-tell-you/ "From this extensive test program, we found that high-scoring UHP summer tires last about 35,000 to 40,000 miles, including the top-rated Michelin Pilot Super Sport. Add another 20,000 miles or so for most high-scoring UHP all-season tires. The treadwear champ is the Goodyear Eagle Sport A/S with an impressive 70,000-mile wear projection in our test. But expect lower mileage if you drive aggressively and or have a high-horsepower car." The "champ" gets 70,000 miles. Your 120,000 and even your 100,000 are fantasies. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 10:12:15 -0700, Joerg
wrote: On 2017-09-10 18:15, John B. wrote: On Sun, 10 Sep 2017 07:27:16 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-09 21:28, John B. wrote: On Sat, 09 Sep 2017 07:50:11 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-08 20:39, John B. wrote: On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 11:48:38 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-07 18:10, John B. wrote: On Thu, 07 Sep 2017 07:19:58 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-06 16:50, John B. wrote: [...] ... Given Vietnam's history since, say the 1850's, the average Vietnamese is probably as happy under the present government as they were under previous regimes. Having met a lot of Vietnamese people, including people where not all relatives made it out, I do not think this is true. I also had relatives who had to live in a former communist country. They would have been shot if they had tried to leave. Nobody will ever tell me there is nothing wrong with communism. As a general statement, those who escaped from Vietnam were people with a certain amount of money. Call them the middle class. Not the ones I met. They didn't have much more than the shirt on their backs and most didn't own real estate over there or had much in terms of other wealth. A simple bicycle was already considered a luxury. And tell us, how did these penniless people buy the boat, provision the boat, acquire sufficient fuel, pay the bribes to the coast guard and navy necessary to start the voyage? The same way they do it in Mexiko, North Africa or the Middle East. Scraping money and tradeable goods such as bicyles, rickety motorcycles and whatever together. Which unfortunately also meant that not everyone in a larger family could get a boat ticket, it was only enough for some. Talk to people that went through this. Sometimes tears will well up in their eyes. For example, because they had to leave mom, dad and a lot of others behind. Or at least read up on it. http://www.complex.com/life/2015/12/...es-vietnam-war Quote "He ate rice with salted potatoes most nights". Is this the fare of a rich guy? Then, quote "In order to pay for his spot on the boat, my dad sold his bicycle and organized a small group of people to escape on the same trip. He said asking his mother for money was out of the question because "if she knew, she wouldn't let me go."" Later, quote "But by the fourth week, they were running out of bartering goods, so my dad and other refugees stopped along China's uninhabited shores to search for food in the jungle. They found guava trees and loaded up on the fruit—which ended up making everyone constipated. "Back on the boat, everyone was helping each other poop," he said". Ah yes, you are describing the events told by a person who, describes herself as "a writer, speaker, creative producer, and entrepreneur" and wasn't born when the events took place which were told to her long after they occurred. Are you implying they lied? They usually don't term it "lying" but still it is adding a connotation that implies something that wasn't true. You do not know that yet you are accusing her. Not so. I do not know her and I am accusing her story as not including all the facts. In fact I believe that I said that she was repeating a story about events that took place before she was born. I've often told the story about my grandfather saying that when he and my grandmother first moved to town he worked as a carpenter for $1,.00 a day. Which was true. But he told the story of an example of how hard he worked and how poor they were which wasn't true. But the facts are dollar a day was a more or less a normal workingman's salary in the 1800's. The Vietnam war wasn't in the 1800's. Her father was described as, "My dad, who lived in North Vietnam's capital of Hanoi, remembers the government rationing food stamps for every citizen. He ate rice with salted potatoes most nights. After the war, there was no freedom of speech, no freedom to travel, no freedom to protest." Interesting, but I wonder, really, as N.Vietnam had been governed by the Communist government of Ho Chi Minh since 1945. But your site says that "After the war, there was no freedom of speech, no freedom to travel, no freedom to protest." Do you suppose that 35 years after Ho Chi Minh had beaten the French, and more recently chased the Americans out of his country, and sorted out the Southerners that suddenly without notice things in Hanoi got worse? Truly? They did. The new government started a "cleansing action". Talk to people from there. But ones that got out, the others may be afraid to speak freely because that can have nasty results under communist regimes. In the North? That had supplied the soldiers to fight the war? I find no evidence that it happened. But even more revealing, they were the people who were the victors. They had beaten both the French and the Americans and "freed their country". Yes, in the North. As I said, talk to people from there. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/o...ement-too.html Quote "The dreaded security police rounded up hundreds of North Vietnamese citizens, including party officials, senior military officers, journalists, lawyers, writers and artists". I am a bit confused in reading your undoubtedly factual newspaper report as it refers to Ho Chi Minh being exiled to Beijing when I can find no other reference to this "fact" anywhere. I do read that " Ho Chí Minh died at 09:47 on the morning of 4 September 1969 from heart failure at his home in Hanoi, aged 79. As for Võ Nguyên Giáp, also reported in your article as exiled, again I find no record of this. I do, however, read that: "He finally retired from his post at the Defense Ministry in 1981 and retired from the Politburo in 1982. He remained on the Central Committee and Deputy Prime Minister until he retired in 1991." And: "On 4 October 2013, a Vietnamese government official announced that Giáp had died, aged 102, at 18:09 hours, local time, at Central Military Hospital 108 in Hanoi, where he had been living since 2009." And a diet of rice and potatoes? As the writer was raised, as far as I can tell, in the U.S. "potato" is probably intended to mean "white potato" which as far as I know is not raised in Vietnam in commercial quantities... but certainly makes for a good story. And, again the implication is only rice and potatoes... when I was in Vietnam people ate quite a variety of things, many of which while possibly cultivated, also grew wild. I agree that your story is a real tear jerker" but I suspect that like many stories that parents tell children is that there is a limited amount of truth and a whole lot of "how we did it in spite of all the problems". I believe the people I talked to and their stories were similar to this one. And I have no doubt of it. But equally, we have the "guest workers" who came to Germany to work in the factories and when their contracts ended they stayed as if they went back to Turkey they wouldn't get the"big money" that they were paid in Germany. That's got nothing to do with it. In Turkey they wouldn't have been rounded up by secret police and vanished back then. They could freely visit relatives even if they stayed in Germany (and yes, most did that for economic reasons). Nowadays I am not so sure about not being rounded up anymore for people who have voiced too much of a "dissident opinion". "During that time, Vietnamese refugees sailed to neighboring countries where they could stay in refugee camps, while waiting for sponsorship to resettle in countries like the United States." Ah, the penny drops. If we can get to a refugee camp we'll be fed, clothed and sheltered, and won't have to work, while we are waiting to go to America where everything is wonderful. Wouldn't you do the same if you lived in an oppressed country and in poverty that is most likely to become worse? I sure would, I'd try everything to get out if there is no hope in changing the status quo. And yes, then I'd try to find out what the most promising destination could be. Well, to an extent I live in countries that are repressed. If you were to speak disrespectfully about the King of Thailand you will probably be sentenced to a number of years in jail. Probably the same would happen if you'd anger the junta. Not so far. What happens seems to be that you are charged with what would amount in the U.S. to defamation, in a civil court and if convicted either fined or imprisoned. If the charges cannot be proved then of course you are turned loose. And guess what, the average Thai hardly thinks about it. Why should he? It has always been that way, there is no material benefit in doing it, so why bother? I rather live in countries where such restrictions on free speech are not imposed. But you don't live in a country that has "free speech". Quite the opposite in fact, even a quick search shows that there have been innumerable cases where an individual was penalized for their "free speech". In Singapore, if you were to get up on your orange box and advocate communism you won't even be tried in court. They will simply lock you up under the "Emergency Laws" that have been in force since 1948. Do the Singaporean worry? Well, I've been living in or visiting the country for 50 years and I've never heard one mention it. I doubt they'd make you disappear though. When I lived in Indonesia if you loudly objected to the government you could be "disappeared" and I personally know of at least one case where it did happen. The Indonesian population wasn't leaving the country in droves. Not at all. I lived in the Netherlands and two large immigrant groups back in the 80's were people from the Caribbean and Indonesians. The Indonesians were probably largely Christians from the Ambon Islands who had served in the Dutch East Indies Army (KNIL) and had been evacuated to Holland when Indonesia became independent. Subsequently quite a number immigrated back and the company I worked for employed a number of them. Very different people from the Javanese :-) I might point out that in the mid 1800's the Chinese who came to the U.S. already referred to it as "The land of fat pork" which is probably a synonym for "Heaven" to a Chinese peasant who likely ate meat once a year.... or less. In short a story intended to elicited sympathy but very weak on truth, or perhaps I should say, "replete with innuendos eliciting sympathy". Nonsense. Talk to Vietnamese of your generation. I have. In fact I met and had several long conversations with a N. Vietnamese, or at least he was from Hanoi, and this would have been in the 1990's. A young chap, he was in Thailand looking into the computer business with the intent of importing computers from Thailand to Vietnam and had been introduced to me as some sort of computer expert as at the time I was writing a weekly newspaper column about computers. Strangely he gave no indication of being unhappy to live in Vietnam. Talk to older chaps around your age. They know. Vietnam has meantime adopted a lot of what Hungarians used to call "gulash-communism", named after a rich and very delicious national dish. A watered down version of communism where some enterpreneurial activities are tolerated as long as that doesn't displease the local communist party bosses. If you otherwise click your heels on demand and behave compliantly you can have a life. At least somewhat. Would I want to live there? Nope. Yes, the Viets are not a stupid people and they saw what happened in other countries in the region. Singapore, Thailand and later China went from very primitive countries to a largely developed country in less then a lifetime. Why not Vietnam? But you know, anyone who has ever worked for the government or a large company can see that the fiction espoused by pure communism is only that, fiction. A couple of the people I've worked with over the years since the 1970's were married to Vietnamese women who had, with their American husband's help, gotten their parents out of Vietnam. I never heard them talk about oppression. They talked about how much better life was here, largely because they were married to Americans who made a lot of money. Most won't talk about details until they know you really well. There is still a large residual of the fear that was drilled into them by the regime. This is why Vietnamese over here almost rebelled when an old law forbidding members of communist parties from running in public office in California was about to be abolished. Having known people who were tortured under communism I understand their fear. It all sounds like a good story but frankly I doubt it. I knew a number of couples - Vietnamese wife and American husband and I never knew the wives to be a bit "close mouthed". Quite the opposite in fact. I distinctly remember the wife of the Project Manager I worked for in West Java. His wife made several trips to Vietnam shortly after the war in order to get her mother and father out to the U.S. and she talked about it quite openly with no mention at all of any oppression. But of course, her mom and dad hadn't fought against the North and so weren't war criminals at all. Just regular folks. Remember what the "Allies" did to loyal Germans who had never broken a German law? They hung or imprisoned them. I would emphasis that in the, admittedly few, cases where I personally knew the facts the "poor improvised boat people" had money, and offered to pay for supplies. One in gold bullion. None of them I met falls into that category. They were simple workers. I've got a good friend who "escaped" from Hungary. He grew up and was educated, served in the Hungarian army and graduated from collage, under the communist government. I've asked him about live under the communists and he had no complaints at all. His reason for leaving the country? Well when he graduated from collage with a degree as a chemical engineer the government had a job for him as a "food chemist" and he wanted to work in the oil business. In fact I firmly believe that the reason most people fled the communists was primarily a financial one.... Ooooo I can make the big money in the West. That doesn't jibe with what I heard. One family fled communist oppression from Hungary. One of them didn't make it, was shot while crossing over. The fact alone that they made "fleeing the republic" a crime punishable by immediate death speaks volumes. I can only comment on what I was told by the Hungarian friend I've mentioned. I asked him about the so called "Iron Curtain" and he laughed. He said that anyone with any sense could simply walk out of Hungary as he did. He told me that he walked for two days through what he said was dense forest and never saw or heard of any "Iron Curtain" and went on to say that it was fairly common knowledge how to get out of the country. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 21:39:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 9/9/2017 10:56 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-08 18:52, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/8/2017 3:06 PM, Joerg wrote: O Same with the tires BTW. They had 60k miles, still half the tread but were well past 10 years. Looked good buy common recommendations state that means it's time to buy new tires. Try _that_ with a bicycle tire. 60,000 miles on the tires and they still had half the tread left? Meaning your car tires would last 120,000 miles if they weren't too old? Yes. Not 120000mi but 100000mi, with ease. I wrote half the tread and I do not use tires until they are totally bald. It's not safe. Joerg, you need someone to edit your fantastic claims, to give them at least a _hint_ of plausibility. You need to start buying good products. You need to quit confusing your fantasies with reality. From https://www.consumerreports.org/tire...will-tell-you/ "From this extensive test program, we found that high-scoring UHP summer tires last about 35,000 to 40,000 miles, including the top-rated Michelin Pilot Super Sport. Add another 20,000 miles or so for most high-scoring UHP all-season tires. The treadwear champ is the Goodyear Eagle Sport A/S with an impressive 70,000-mile wear projection in our test. But expect lower mileage if you drive aggressively and or have a high-horsepower car." The "champ" gets 70,000 miles. Your 120,000 and even your 100,000 are fantasies. Perhaps they didn't test the tires in California :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 12:09:46 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 21:39:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/9/2017 10:56 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-08 18:52, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/8/2017 3:06 PM, Joerg wrote: O Same with the tires BTW. They had 60k miles, still half the tread but were well past 10 years. Looked good buy common recommendations state that means it's time to buy new tires. Try _that_ with a bicycle tire. 60,000 miles on the tires and they still had half the tread left? Meaning your car tires would last 120,000 miles if they weren't too old? Yes. Not 120000mi but 100000mi, with ease. I wrote half the tread and I do not use tires until they are totally bald. It's not safe. Joerg, you need someone to edit your fantastic claims, to give them at least a _hint_ of plausibility. You need to start buying good products. You need to quit confusing your fantasies with reality. From https://www.consumerreports.org/tire...will-tell-you/ "From this extensive test program, we found that high-scoring UHP summer tires last about 35,000 to 40,000 miles, including the top-rated Michelin Pilot Super Sport. Add another 20,000 miles or so for most high-scoring UHP all-season tires. The treadwear champ is the Goodyear Eagle Sport A/S with an impressive 70,000-mile wear projection in our test. But expect lower mileage if you drive aggressively and or have a high-horsepower car." The "champ" gets 70,000 miles. Your 120,000 and even your 100,000 are fantasies. Perhaps they didn't test the tires in California :-) When I obtained my car a couple of years ago I bought a new set of the best BF Goodrich tires. After only 12,000 miles the tire man said that a set of used tires on my new car looked in better condition. Yesterday when I did a short 36 mile ride with 2100 feet of climbing the only "good" road I saw was on 100 foot section of repaved road that wasn't done properly. So tires are getting eaten up by things like a 2" jump between the road and a bridge across a stream. On my ride these skips were "leveled" with pavement ramps. Question: HOW could the roads be allowed to get in this condition? Easy - because politicians spend the money on these bright ideas they have and to hell with maintenance. |
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... After only 12,000 miles the tire man said that a set of used tires on my new car looked in better condition. Uhm ... ya |
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On Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 9:14:51 AM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote:
... After only 12,000 miles the tire man said that a set of used tires on my new car looked in better condition. Uhm ... ya I have only put 12,000 miles on my new BF Goodrich tires. I bought an 8 year newer version of the same car and thought that I should install the Goodrich's on the newer car. Turns out that the old car uses 15" tires and the new one uses 16" tires. But when he measured the tread depth of the used tires on the newer they have more tread left than the Goodrich's did anyway. The guy I bought the newer car from told me that he bought the tires used from a tire dealer. I do not drive hard. I usually come up to the speed limit and put the cruise control on. I do not corner very hard but generally more than most people because I know how to corner without skidding. I also know when not to corner hard. Question: how is it that used tires have more tread depth than the tires on my car with top of the line tires I bought new and only put 12,000 miles on them? |
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