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  #51  
Old September 28th 12, 01:50 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 09/28/2012 08:30 AM, datakoll wrote:

low weight or lower weight wheels could facilitate chemical conversion from aerobic to anaerobic as both psychological and ease of initial acceraltion from stop 'like' 'wheeeeee here wego !'

for the fitnessed rider...


Don't follow you. Wouldn't ease of start facilitate maintaining aerobic
as opposed to going to anaerobic? The higher the effort , the more
anaerobic.


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Old September 28th 12, 06:08 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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datakoll wrote:

? a UTUBE video of "my wife...." ?


How about a picture instead?

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...eat=directlink
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Old September 28th 12, 06:17 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Sir Ridesalot wrote:

In my opinion a cycling machine with a fixed sidecar is no longer a bicycle (2 wheels) but is no a three wheel tricycle.


That's a fair characterization of my sidecar, but not all sidecar
bicycles:

http://vimeo.com/41176761#

As far as any trailer goes just about any bicycle can be used to pull one if the bicycle gearing is low enough.


That's not true if there is significant tongue weight. The bikes I
use to haul my big trailer feature either tandem-spec or downhill-spec
rear wheels. You know, stuff that could accurately be called "heavy
duty".

Chalo
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Old September 29th 12, 02:02 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Old September 29th 12, 07:45 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:51:47 AM UTC-5, Chalo wrote:
DirtRoadie wrote:



My SL bike is my version of a sports car and my Sport-Touring bike is my version of a heavy duty pickup truck.




I have to point out what a laughable standard that is for "heavy-duty

pickup". Sounds more like a sports car that has a small trunk versus

one that doesn't even offer that much.



I have a flat bed sidecar bike that has toted six adults in the past,

and now sports two sturdy chairs on the load bed. I have a 2.5' x 6'

cycle trailer that my wife used to carry home our washing machine, and

which I use regularly to carry up to about 400 lbs of groceries,

laundry and what have you. When my wife goes to gigs within a few

miles, she loads up one or the other of these machines with her 50"

wide keyboard in its case, a keyboard stand, an accordion, a ukulele,

PA speakers, a couple of mic stands, an overnight bag full of cords

and stuff, and a hat box full of merchandise. Try that with your so-

called "heavy duty pickup", why don't you?



These are not one-off stunts; they are just examples of what you can

do with a bicycle if you don't have a ridiculously myopic notion of

what constitutes "heavy duty". Actually doing useful things with your

bike is way more gratifying and can be more fun than just adding 2mph

to the speed you'd be riding on a versatile, practical, durable

bike.

Here here. I routinely ride a 15 mile urban commuting route to pick up the gf from work and either ride a fully decked out double racked rig that's 35 or so pounds or a 21 pound single speed. Both tend to do it in the exact amount of time. Why? Probably because traffic limits my speed far more than gear choice. I do like to switch it up between the two bikes, simply for interest--but for speed? Nope.

Certainly technology can give you an edge when racing, but it's mainly an illusion when utility cycling. You might be faster up a hill, but you have to average in mechanical reliability and the confidence that a proper city steed offers. Plus, I do love passing people wearing full kit while I'm pannier'd up and wearing Danish clogs. Because I'm an asshole like that.
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Old September 29th 12, 08:12 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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landotter wrote:
I routinely ride a 15 mile urban commuting route to pick up the gf from work and either ride a fully decked out double racked rig that's 35 or so pounds or a 21 pound single speed. Both tend to do it in the exact amount of time. Why? Probably because traffic limits my speed far more than gear choice. I do like to switch it up between the two bikes, simply for interest--but for speed? Nope.

Certainly technology can give you an edge when racing, but it's mainly an illusion when utility cycling. You might be faster up a hill, but you have to average in mechanical reliability and the confidence that a proper city steed offers. Plus, I do love passing people wearing full kit while I'm pannier'd up and wearing Danish clogs. Because I'm an asshole like that.


Some here may not approve of such heresy! ;-)

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- Frank Krygowski
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Old September 29th 12, 09:04 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sep 29, 12:12 pm, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
landotter wrote:
I routinely ride a 15 mile urban commuting route to pick up the gf from work and either ride a fully decked out double racked rig that's 35 or so pounds or a 21 pound single speed. Both tend to do it in the exact amount of time. Why? Probably because traffic limits my speed far more than gear choice. I do like to switch it up between the two bikes, simply for interest--but for speed? Nope.


Certainly technology can give you an edge when racing, but it's mainly an illusion when utility cycling. You might be faster up a hill, but you have to average in mechanical reliability and the confidence that a proper city steed offers. Plus, I do love passing people wearing full kit while I'm pannier'd up and wearing Danish clogs. Because I'm an asshole like that.


Some here may not approve of such heresy! ;-)


Krygowski you're an asshole, but not like that. Please cite an
example of such disapproval. People here understand the trade-offs of
durability and such, and don't seem to have any problem with people
using what they like. They just don't like you poo-pooing *their*
choice. I also like blowing by the Lance-a-likes on their snazzy
fenderless bikes with my 36-spoke straight-pull steel tubed bike w/
racks and panniers and 32 mm tires, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't
smoke them more easily on a bike more optimized for speed.

  #58  
Old September 29th 12, 09:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Kerry Montgomery
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landotter wrote:
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:51:47 AM UTC-5, Chalo wrote:
DirtRoadie wrote:



My SL bike is my version of a sports car and my Sport-Touring bike
is my version of a heavy duty pickup truck.




I have to point out what a laughable standard that is for "heavy-duty

pickup". Sounds more like a sports car that has a small trunk versus

one that doesn't even offer that much.



I have a flat bed sidecar bike that has toted six adults in the past,

and now sports two sturdy chairs on the load bed. I have a 2.5' x 6'

cycle trailer that my wife used to carry home our washing machine,
and

which I use regularly to carry up to about 400 lbs of groceries,

laundry and what have you. When my wife goes to gigs within a few

miles, she loads up one or the other of these machines with her 50"

wide keyboard in its case, a keyboard stand, an accordion, a ukulele,

PA speakers, a couple of mic stands, an overnight bag full of cords

and stuff, and a hat box full of merchandise. Try that with your so-

called "heavy duty pickup", why don't you?



These are not one-off stunts; they are just examples of what you can

do with a bicycle if you don't have a ridiculously myopic notion of

what constitutes "heavy duty". Actually doing useful things with
your

bike is way more gratifying and can be more fun than just adding 2mph

to the speed you'd be riding on a versatile, practical, durable

bike.

Here here. I routinely ride a 15 mile urban commuting route to pick
up the gf from work and either ride a fully decked out double racked
rig that's 35 or so pounds or a 21 pound single speed. Both tend to
do it in the exact amount of time. Why? Probably because traffic
limits my speed far more than gear choice. I do like to switch it up
between the two bikes, simply for interest--but for speed? Nope.

Certainly technology can give you an edge when racing, but it's
mainly an illusion when utility cycling. You might be faster up a
hill, but you have to average in mechanical reliability and the
confidence that a proper city steed offers. Plus, I do love passing
people wearing full kit while I'm pannier'd up and wearing Danish
clogs. Because I'm an asshole like that.


landotter,
Does your gf prefer to ride on the double racks, or where ever you pu her on
a single speed?
Kerry


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Old September 29th 12, 11:54 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Duane Hebert
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On 9/29/2012 2:45 PM, landotter wrote:
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:51:47 AM UTC-5, Chalo wrote:
DirtRoadie wrote:

My SL bike is my version of a sports car and my Sport-Touring bike is my version of a heavy duty pickup truck.



I have to point out what a laughable standard that is for "heavy-duty

pickup". Sounds more like a sports car that has a small trunk versus

one that doesn't even offer that much.



I have a flat bed sidecar bike that has toted six adults in the past,

and now sports two sturdy chairs on the load bed. I have a 2.5' x 6'

cycle trailer that my wife used to carry home our washing machine, and

which I use regularly to carry up to about 400 lbs of groceries,

laundry and what have you. When my wife goes to gigs within a few

miles, she loads up one or the other of these machines with her 50"

wide keyboard in its case, a keyboard stand, an accordion, a ukulele,

PA speakers, a couple of mic stands, an overnight bag full of cords

and stuff, and a hat box full of merchandise. Try that with your so-

called "heavy duty pickup", why don't you?



These are not one-off stunts; they are just examples of what you can

do with a bicycle if you don't have a ridiculously myopic notion of

what constitutes "heavy duty". Actually doing useful things with your

bike is way more gratifying and can be more fun than just adding 2mph

to the speed you'd be riding on a versatile, practical, durable

bike.

Here here. I routinely ride a 15 mile urban commuting route to pick up the gf from work and either ride a fully decked out double racked rig that's 35 or so pounds or a 21 pound single speed. Both tend to do it in the exact amount of time. Why? Probably because traffic limits my speed far more than gear choice. I do like to switch it up between the two bikes, simply for interest--but for speed? Nope.

My commute takes me from near the burbs to the "outskirts of town" so I
don't have a lot of actual urban commuting. There are some lights and
some spots with a lot of traffic. Much of it though I can do at 30-35k
with little stopping. If I take the shorter route there's more traffic.
I don't usually take the shorter route. Sometimes I may take the
touring bike. I definitely have a slower speed on the touring bike.


Certainly technology can give you an edge when racing, but it's mainly an illusion when utility cycling. You might be faster up a hill, but you have to average in mechanical reliability and the confidence that a proper city steed offers. Plus, I do love passing people wearing full kit while I'm pannier'd up and wearing Danish clogs. Because I'm an asshole like that.


My road bike has proven to be as reliable as the old Bianchi. I have
more confidence in handling the road bike when I'm in a tight situation.

We don't seem to have the same circumstances. I think the important
thing is to be on a bike. Take the one(s) that works for you.
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Old September 29th 12, 11:54 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 9/29/2012 4:04 PM, Dan O wrote:
On Sep 29, 12:12 pm, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
landotter wrote:
I routinely ride a 15 mile urban commuting route to pick up the gf from work and either ride a fully decked out double racked rig that's 35 or so pounds or a 21 pound single speed. Both tend to do it in the exact amount of time. Why? Probably because traffic limits my speed far more than gear choice. I do like to switch it up between the two bikes, simply for interest--but for speed? Nope.
Certainly technology can give you an edge when racing, but it's mainly an illusion when utility cycling. You might be faster up a hill, but you have to average in mechanical reliability and the confidence that a proper city steed offers. Plus, I do love passing people wearing full kit while I'm pannier'd up and wearing Danish clogs. Because I'm an asshole like that.

Some here may not approve of such heresy! ;-)

Krygowski you're an asshole, but not like that. Please cite an
example of such disapproval. People here understand the trade-offs of
durability and such, and don't seem to have any problem with people
using what they like. They just don't like you poo-pooing *their*
choice. I also like blowing by the Lance-a-likes on their snazzy
fenderless bikes with my 36-spoke straight-pull steel tubed bike w/
racks and panniers and 32 mm tires, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't
smoke them more easily on a bike more optimized for speed.


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