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Old September 28th 05, 12:10 AM
LotteBum
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Tony F wrote:

********. A $700 mtb will do way more than most people need in the
bush.
snip

Yeah value for money is pretty good now, but I still reckon $700 bikes
are flimsy and crap. Sure if you want a bike that'll go off once a
week for a year, then a $700 bike might cut it, but I personally don't
think it'd be worth it. And why wouldn't you want to get better at it
anyway? The better you get at riding off road, the more fun it is.

To say this $700 bike "will never cut it" in the bush is ********.
Maybe it
wouldn't cut it with you or I riding, but that's not the point. ;^)

That's right. I'm hard core.

Many people only ride recreationally, and fairly gently. These bikes
will cope.

Ah what's the point in riding gently off road? You have to go fast
otherwise it's just no fun! Also, if you were to ride regularly, you'd
get better... and soon enough you'd also think the $700 piece of sh!t
you bought is well... a piece of shi!t!

You should have seen what the others in last week's newbie ride were
riding.
snip

I'm sure they'll all 'cope', but it's about durability, hoping that
your frame won't snap when you jump over something or even lift your
front wheel over a log.

It looks like we disagree, Tony. My mountainbike is about $1700 worth
and it's 3 years old with no rebound dampening in the forks (obviously
I don't have dual suspension because this, IN MY OPINION, also makes
you a poonce. Har har).

Ready, set, FIRE!

LotteBum

P.S. Mountain biking sucks. Har har.


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Old September 28th 05, 03:27 AM
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"LotteBum" wrote in message
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Tony F wrote:

********. A $700 mtb will do way more than most people need in the
bush.
snip

Yeah value for money is pretty good now, but I still reckon $700 bikes
are flimsy and crap. Sure if you want a bike that'll go off once a
week for a year, then a $700 bike might cut it, but I personally don't
think it'd be worth it. And why wouldn't you want to get better at it
anyway? The better you get at riding off road, the more fun it is.


But that $700 bike will often have exactly the same frame as one costing
several hundred (or more) more. They cut costs with components - cheaper
gears, BB, drivetrain, wheels, forks, etc. My new bike (duallie) has the
same frame as the next model up - but is $1000s less to buy as the
components aren't as good. I'm going to break components anyway, so as I
upgrade them, my bike will get better.

To say this $700 bike "will never cut it" in the bush is ********.
Maybe it
wouldn't cut it with you or I riding, but that's not the point. ;^)

That's right. I'm hard core.


d00d!

Many people only ride recreationally, and fairly gently. These bikes
will cope.

Ah what's the point in riding gently off road? You have to go fast
otherwise it's just no fun! Also, if you were to ride regularly, you'd
get better... and soon enough you'd also think the $700 piece of sh!t
you bought is well... a piece of shi!t!


Sniff the flowers sometimes, not always, but sometimes. You'd be mad to
spend, oh, say $1700, and then discover mountain biking sucks!! ;^P

You should have seen what the others in last week's newbie ride were
riding.
snip

I'm sure they'll all 'cope', but it's about durability, hoping that
your frame won't snap when you jump over something or even lift your
front wheel over a log.


OK, I admit it, I did snap my hardtail, but it was 11 years old, and has
been well and truly used. Jumped, stacked, and generally thrashed around the
Blue Mountains tracks. Going back to my point, newbies don't jump, they
don't pop wheels over logs, but even if they did, that $700 bike will cope -
at their level. My ($700 equivalent) hardtail coped for many years, and I
reckon I was well past the newbie stage. Wheels didn't last, but the bike
did.

It looks like we disagree, Tony. My mountainbike is about $1700 worth
and it's 3 years old with no rebound dampening in the forks (obviously
I don't have dual suspension because this, IN MY OPINION, also makes
you a poonce. Har har).


$1700 and no rebound? Sheesh! For that money on a hardtail, I'd want
rebound. I have a duallie, and I'm proud to be a poonce... ;^P Or am I just
soft? Probably both, but at least I'm a comfortable poonce.

Yep, we disagree. I'll still say that a $700 bike is strong enough for most
people to start with. If they get hardcore, then they should spend more. If
they come from BMX and know they'll be jumping lots, spend more, but for Joe
and Jo Average, don't bother.

Ready, set, FIRE!


Oh no, she's loaded the shottie!

LotteBum

P.S. Mountain biking sucks. Har har.


Lotte Lotte Lotte, looks like your time on mtb-oz has permanently scarred
you! ;^)

Tony F


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Old September 28th 05, 04:15 AM
LotteBum
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But that $700 bike will often have exactly the same frame as one costing
several hundred (or more) more. They cut costs with components -
cheaper
gears, BB, drivetrain, wheels, forks, etc.

Yeah good point... I buckled a wheel on my mtb. Actually, I didn't do
it. Seriously, I was 'just riding along' and it literally went
"Poing!" and then it was seriously buckled. Getting a new wheel to
match the front one was a bit of a sh!tfight.

My new bike (duallie) has the same frame as the next model up - but is
$1000s less to buy as the components aren't as good. I'm going to break
components anyway, so as I upgrade them, my bike will get better.


That's one way to do it I suppose. I was originally thinking I'd
upgrade my bike as I went along, but the only upgrades it has had in
the three years I've had it have been the back wheel (which was
upgraded with a stronger - but matching - rim) and the casette and that
wasn't my fault (Paul is a weight weenie when it comes to bits. In my
opinion, I'd rather shave 5kg off my big fat @rse than shave it off my
bike - makes more sense). He wants me to get new cranks, but I'm quite
content with mine. Also, my forks aren't sh!t hot, but I still think
they're da bomb. I sometimes get a little bounced, but that doesn't
matter - it makes me better at it!

d00d!


Yo. Word.

Sniff the flowers sometimes, not always, but sometimes.

Ugh, no way! Flowers are for wishing I had when I'm sitting around at
home looking at my sad, pathetic back yard which has been destroyed by
my (very hungry) dog.

You'd be mad to spend, oh, say $1700, and then discover mountain biking
sucks!! ;^P


Yeah you would be. But we all know that mountain biking sucks, so why
would you even do it?

OK, I admit it, I did snap my hardtail, but it was 11 years old, and
has
been well and truly used.

HA!!! I GOTCHA!

$1700 and no rebound? Sheesh! For that money on a hardtail, I'd want
rebound.

I got it for about $1,400 but this was also 3 years ago and the bike is
still in really good condition considering just how hard caw I am.
Consider also that my 'shelf market' is a lot smaller than your average
bloke's because of my build. Trust me, buying bikes is harder than bras
for me. It's awful! So anyway, I was quite limited in my choice of
bikes because most of them are long (don't even get me started on those
pathetic 'womens specific frames').

I have a duallie, and I'm proud to be a poonce... ;^P Or am I just
soft? Probably both, but at least I'm a comfortable poonce.

You are a big, soft poonce.

Lotte Lotte Lotte, looks like your time on mtb-oz has permanently
scarred
you! ;^)

Ha, those were the days. The end of my mtb-oz days came when I spent a
few months living with one particular person who.... completely freaked
me out with his appalling lack of hygiene. Try cleaning dried ice
cream mixed with nail clippings out of a bowl from which you frequently
eat. Alright, I'm dry retching now. I still speak to JohnJohn and had
breakfast with Gumby earlier this year. Haven't spoken to Chuan in
ages though, but I hear he's married now. Easily one of the nicest
people I've met in my life.

And of course I love mountain biking. I just don't always think it's
wise to encourage too many people to do it because it puts a lot of
wear and tear on tracks and... well they're just plain f*cking
annoying. Same goes for road... although I think more people should
ride for the sake of the environment, those people also annoy quite the
living sh!t out of me with their red-light-running antics and general
hopelessness when it comes to general cycling etiquette. JUST GET BACK
IN THAT PRADO! OK?

LotteBum


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Old September 28th 05, 08:23 AM
Bleve
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M i c C u l l e n wrote:
On 27 Sep 2005 04:55:58 -0700, Bleve wrote:

First point - the flat bar bikes beat me up, the hybrids don't. So I'm
getting a hybrid, irrespective of how bad I look. (And frankly, it's not
going to make a lot of difference, no matter how bad it is...)


Good. Flat bar roadies are an abomination. Suggestion, if you'll
be riding anything with any sort of flat bar (hybrid, MTB etc)
then get bar ends, and put them *inside* not on the end of the bars.
Makes for a more comfortable alternative for your hands.


Got a link with a pic for that?


I'll see if I can get one ... will get back to you.

 




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