BIKE STAND: Which One For Carbon Fibre Bikes ??

| p.s. Any LBS owner/ manager who has replaced a damaged frame clamped by
| an employee would respond in exactly the same way.

30 years ago, a shop down the street thought it would be cool to install a
pneumatic stand. You stepped on a floor pedal and the jaws automatically
smashed, er I mean clamped, the tube. We saw a *lot* of bikes coming in the
door with two parallel crimp marks on the seat tubes. :)

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


"A Muzi" wrote in message
...
| "Maple Tree" wrote in message
| | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike
stand
| to purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
|
| "Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote
| It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
| aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
| seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
| have
| a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when
it's
| time to work on it.
|
| Maple Tree wrote:
| I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
| stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
|
| Mike makes a good point. Work and display stands either clamp, and
| modern bike frames don't like that at all, even the round section ones,
| or cradle, which can scratch or shift around during cleaning or other
| manipulations. Hanging the bike by seat and bars may be innocuous.
|
| As Mike wrote, get a clamping stand and change out the post when you
| clamp that post in it.
|
| p.s. Any LBS owner/ manager who has replaced a damaged frame clamped by
| an employee would respond in exactly the same way.
| --
| Andrew Muzi
| www.yellowjersey.org/
| Open every day since 1 April, 1971
| ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

"Carl Sundquist" wrote in message
news |
| "Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message
| ...
| "Maple Tree" wrote in message
| ...
| | Hello,
| |
| | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
| to
| | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
| |
| | Thank you
|
| It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
| aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
| seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
| have
| a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when
it's
| time to work on it.
|
| What do you do on bikes with integrated seat masts?

http://store.trekbikes.com/jump.jsp?...&bShopOnline=1
works for the new Madones; if you had one of the bikes that literally has no
seatpost at all, then you're pretty much going to have to use the Park stand
someone else showed. I'm not convinced that's (the Park PRS-20) the best way
to go for most bikes, but it's the only way to go if you're going to be
dealing with some of the unusual seat-mounting designs found on many frames.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"Maple Tree" wrote in message
...
|
| "Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message
| ...
| "Maple Tree" wrote in message
| ...
| | Hello,
| |
| | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
| to
| | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
| |
| | Thank you
|
| It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
| aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
| seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
| have
| a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when
it's
| time to work on it.
|
| --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
| www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
|
| I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
| stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
|
| Thanks

As others pointed out, the Park PRS-20 will do the job. It's popular because
it's the only style that works on pretty much anything imaginable, which
makes it popular with the race mechanics (since some current designs
essentially have no seat post at all). But if you've got a bike that a
conventional seatpost will work in, I think you're better off with one of
the conventional seatpost-clamping stands. More versatile because you can
move the bike around.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

On Jun 1, 6:38 pm, "Maple Tree" wrote:
"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message

...



"Maple Tree" wrote in message
m...
| Hello,
|
| I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
to
| purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
|
| Thank you

It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
have
a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
time to work on it.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.

Thanks

I am going to disagree with both jb and JT. First, Mike is the owner
of Trek's biggest bike shops and he has probably worked on more bikes
than most of us combined, so I would heed to his advise. Second, I
find lots of disadvantages with the stand identified by jb. For
starters, you need to remove your front wheel so you can't make fine
adjustments to the front brake with the bike on the stand. It is
difficult to work under the BB on dérailleur cables or to clean under
the BB. You cannot work on removing and reinstalling the headset.
Finally, with the stand that clamps the post, you can pretty much turn
the bike into any position.

Get a stand that clamps the seatpost. Pretty much, all bike shops use
these kinds of stands. The stand that jb and JT recommend is seen at
bike races because it is good for adjusting the deraulliers in a
pinch. However, for major work it is inconvenient.

Andres

wrote:
On Jun 1, 6:38 pm, "Maple Tree" wrote:
"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message

...



"Maple Tree" wrote in message
...
| Hello,
|
| I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
to
| purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
|
| Thank you
It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
have
a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
time to work on it.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.

Thanks

I am going to disagree with both jb and JT. First, Mike is the owner
of Trek's biggest bike shops and he has probably worked on more bikes
than most of us combined, so I would heed to his advise. Second, I
find lots of disadvantages with the stand identified by jb. For
starters, you need to remove your front wheel so you can't make fine
adjustments to the front brake with the bike on the stand.

not so - it mounts either front or rear.


It is
difficult to work under the BB on d�railleur cables or to clean under
the BB.

theoretically true, but i can't say i find it to be that much of a
problem. and it's a trivial price to pay for removing any possibility
of a cracked tube.


You cannot work on removing and reinstalling the headset.

not so - see above.


Finally, with the stand that clamps the post, you can pretty much turn
the bike into any position.

Get a stand that clamps the seatpost. Pretty much, all bike shops use
these kinds of stands. The stand that jb and JT recommend is seen at
bike races because it is good for adjusting the deraulliers in a
pinch. However, for major work it is inconvenient.

Andres

On Jun 2, 8:12 pm, jim beam wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 1, 6:38 pm, "Maple Tree" wrote:
"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message

...

"Maple Tree" wrote in message
news:zvOdnbkTXLj2sd7VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@giganews. com...
| Hello,
|
| I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
to
| purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
|
| Thank you
It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
have
a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
time to work on it.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.

Thanks

I am going to disagree with both jb and JT. First, Mike is the owner
of Trek's biggest bike shops and he has probably worked on more bikes
than most of us combined, so I would heed to his advise. Second, I
find lots of disadvantages with the stand identified by jb. For
starters, you need to remove your front wheel so you can't make fine
adjustments to the front brake with the bike on the stand.

not so - it mounts either front or rear.

It is
difficult to work under the BB on d�railleur cables or to clean under
the BB.

theoretically true, but i can't say i find it to be that much of a
problem. and it's a trivial price to pay for removing any possibility
of a cracked tube.

You cannot work on removing and reinstalling the headset.

not so - see above.

Finally, with the stand that clamps the post, you can pretty much turn
the bike into any position.

Get a stand that clamps the seatpost. Pretty much, all bike shops use
these kinds of stands. The stand that jb and JT recommend is seen at
bike races because it is good for adjusting the deraulliers in a
pinch. However, for major work it is inconvenient.

Andres

I don't get why you would crack a tube if you clamp the bike from the
seat post. When I am doing minor work, I don't clamp it tight. I close
the clamp but it doesn't put any pressure in the tube. I used to work
with my bike on a trainer on top of a table. Same principle as the
stand that you mentioned. I found it to be a pain in the butt when I
was working with cables, cleaning the BB or working on headsets. With
the seat post clamping stand, you can rotate the clamp in any
direction. It will hold the bike up exposing the entire bottom of the
down tube. It will place the bike in any position imaginable. If you
need to true wheels on the bike, they are there.

If your bike is filthy from a rainy day, you can scrub it in all
corners really well. Of course you can get around all this with any
bike stand. When I was a poor college student I would do everything
with the bike against the wall. However, if I am going to spend over
$100. bucks, I will spend them on the stand that gives me the most
maneuverability and access. Seatpost clamping stands give you this,
and this is the reason pretty much all pro mechanics have this sort of
rack.

I would bet that all pro mechanics in this group would recommend a
seatpost clamping rack. I bet that the ones that we know of, such as
Peter, and Andrew also use this type of rack. Anybody else who owns a
bike shop would care to contribute?

Mike who works with the Trek carbon and aluminum bikes and all their
silly technology recommends them. I am sure that he handles more
volume than you or I.

Andres

wrote:
On Jun 2, 8:12 pm, jim beam wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 1, 6:38 pm, "Maple Tree" wrote:
"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message
...
"Maple Tree" wrote in message
...
| Hello,
|
| I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
to
| purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
|
| Thank you
It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
have
a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
time to work on it.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
Thanks
I am going to disagree with both jb and JT. First, Mike is the owner
of Trek's biggest bike shops and he has probably worked on more bikes
than most of us combined, so I would heed to his advise. Second, I
find lots of disadvantages with the stand identified by jb. For
starters, you need to remove your front wheel so you can't make fine
adjustments to the front brake with the bike on the stand.
not so - it mounts either front or rear.

It is
difficult to work under the BB on d�railleur cables or to clean under
the BB.
theoretically true, but i can't say i find it to be that much of a
problem. and it's a trivial price to pay for removing any possibility
of a cracked tube.

You cannot work on removing and reinstalling the headset.
not so - see above.

Finally, with the stand that clamps the post, you can pretty much turn
the bike into any position.
Get a stand that clamps the seatpost. Pretty much, all bike shops use
these kinds of stands. The stand that jb and JT recommend is seen at
bike races because it is good for adjusting the deraulliers in a
pinch. However, for major work it is inconvenient.
Andres

I don't get why you would crack a tube if you clamp the bike from the
seat post.

but you can if you clamp the frame. that's what that type of stand
completely avoids.



When I am doing minor work, I don't clamp it tight. I close
the clamp but it doesn't put any pressure in the tube. I used to work
with my bike on a trainer on top of a table. Same principle as the
stand that you mentioned. I found it to be a pain in the butt when I
was working with cables, cleaning the BB or working on headsets. With
the seat post clamping stand, you can rotate the clamp in any
direction. It will hold the bike up exposing the entire bottom of the
down tube. It will place the bike in any position imaginable. If you
need to true wheels on the bike, they are there.

If your bike is filthy from a rainy day, you can scrub it in all
corners really well.

why bother? it'll only get dirty the next day. just ride the freakin'
thing. sweat and mud are badges of honor, not something to be ashamed of.



Of course you can get around all this with any
bike stand. When I was a poor college student I would do everything
with the bike against the wall. However, if I am going to spend over
$100. bucks, I will spend them on the stand that gives me the most
maneuverability and access. Seatpost clamping stands give you this,
and this is the reason pretty much all pro mechanics have this sort of
rack.

I would bet that all pro mechanics in this group would recommend a
seatpost clamping rack.

and yet all the pros on the tour, as has been pointed out by ryan, use
the non-clamping style stand. but they're just ignorant europeans -
what do they know?



I bet that the ones that we know of, such as
Peter, and Andrew also use this type of rack. Anybody else who owns a
bike shop would care to contribute?

don't like the evidence presented, so keep searching!



Mike who works with the Trek carbon and aluminum bikes and all their
silly technology recommends them. I am sure that he handles more
volume than you or I.

Andres

On Jun 3, 8:43 pm, jim beam wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 2, 8:12 pm, jim beam wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 1, 6:38 pm, "Maple Tree" wrote:
"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message
. ..
"Maple Tree" wrote in message
news:zvOdnbkTXLj2sd7VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@giganew s.com...
| Hello,
|
| I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
to
| purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
|
| Thank you
It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
have
a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
time to work on it.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
Thanks
I am going to disagree with both jb and JT. First, Mike is the owner
of Trek's biggest bike shops and he has probably worked on more bikes
than most of us combined, so I would heed to his advise. Second, I
find lots of disadvantages with the stand identified by jb. For
starters, you need to remove your front wheel so you can't make fine
adjustments to the front brake with the bike on the stand.
not so - it mounts either front or rear.

It is
difficult to work under the BB on d�railleur cables or to clean under
the BB.
theoretically true, but i can't say i find it to be that much of a
problem. and it's a trivial price to pay for removing any possibility
of a cracked tube.

You cannot work on removing and reinstalling the headset.
not so - see above.

Finally, with the stand that clamps the post, you can pretty much turn
the bike into any position.
Get a stand that clamps the seatpost. Pretty much, all bike shops use
these kinds of stands. The stand that jb and JT recommend is seen at
bike races because it is good for adjusting the deraulliers in a
pinch. However, for major work it is inconvenient.
Andres

I don't get why you would crack a tube if you clamp the bike from the
seat post.

but you can if you clamp the frame. that's what that type of stand
completely avoids.

When I am doing minor work, I don't clamp it tight. I close
the clamp but it doesn't put any pressure in the tube. I used to work
with my bike on a trainer on top of a table. Same principle as the
stand that you mentioned. I found it to be a pain in the butt when I
was working with cables, cleaning the BB or working on headsets. With
the seat post clamping stand, you can rotate the clamp in any
direction. It will hold the bike up exposing the entire bottom of the
down tube. It will place the bike in any position imaginable. If you
need to true wheels on the bike, they are there.

If your bike is filthy from a rainy day, you can scrub it in all
corners really well.

why bother? it'll only get dirty the next day. just ride the freakin'
thing. sweat and mud are badges of honor, not something to be ashamed of.

Of course you can get around all this with any
bike stand. When I was a poor college student I would do everything
with the bike against the wall. However, if I am going to spend over
$100. bucks, I will spend them on the stand that gives me the most
maneuverability and access. Seatpost clamping stands give you this,
and this is the reason pretty much all pro mechanics have this sort of
rack.

I would bet that all pro mechanics in this group would recommend a
seatpost clamping rack.

and yet all the pros on the tour, as has been pointed out by ryan, use
the non-clamping style stand. but they're just ignorant europeans -
what do they know?

actually, they are useful to adjust gears, and brakes and to tighten
bolts before a race. So, if the purpose of the stand is to take it to
the race site to make minor adjustments, then they are great, as I
stated in my original post. In fact, in such cases they would be
preferable cause you don't want to be readjusting seatposts. However,
for major overhauls in a bike shop or at home, they are inconvenient
and impractical. If Maple tree wants a stand to take to races to do
minor adjustments, such a stand is fine. A trainer works even better
since you can make adjustments and also warm up on it. OTOH, if he
wants it for home, not such a good idea.

I bet that the ones that we know of, such as
Peter, and Andrew also use this type of rack. Anybody else who owns a
bike shop would care to contribute?

don't like the evidence presented, so keep searching!



Mike who works with the Trek carbon and aluminum bikes and all their
silly technology recommends them. I am sure that he handles more
volume than you or I.

Andres

wrote:
On Jun 3, 8:43 pm, jim beam wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 2, 8:12 pm, jim beam wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 1, 6:38 pm, "Maple Tree" wrote:
"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message
...
"Maple Tree" wrote in message
...
| Hello,
|
| I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
to
| purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
|
| Thank you
It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
have
a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
time to work on it.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
Thanks
I am going to disagree with both jb and JT. First, Mike is the owner
of Trek's biggest bike shops and he has probably worked on more bikes
than most of us combined, so I would heed to his advise. Second, I
find lots of disadvantages with the stand identified by jb. For
starters, you need to remove your front wheel so you can't make fine
adjustments to the front brake with the bike on the stand.
not so - it mounts either front or rear.
It is
difficult to work under the BB on d�railleur cables or to clean under
the BB.
theoretically true, but i can't say i find it to be that much of a
problem. and it's a trivial price to pay for removing any possibility
of a cracked tube.
You cannot work on removing and reinstalling the headset.
not so - see above.
Finally, with the stand that clamps the post, you can pretty much turn
the bike into any position.
Get a stand that clamps the seatpost. Pretty much, all bike shops use
these kinds of stands. The stand that jb and JT recommend is seen at
bike races because it is good for adjusting the deraulliers in a
pinch. However, for major work it is inconvenient.
Andres
I don't get why you would crack a tube if you clamp the bike from the
seat post.
but you can if you clamp the frame. that's what that type of stand
completely avoids.

When I am doing minor work, I don't clamp it tight. I close
the clamp but it doesn't put any pressure in the tube. I used to work
with my bike on a trainer on top of a table. Same principle as the
stand that you mentioned. I found it to be a pain in the butt when I
was working with cables, cleaning the BB or working on headsets. With
the seat post clamping stand, you can rotate the clamp in any
direction. It will hold the bike up exposing the entire bottom of the
down tube. It will place the bike in any position imaginable. If you
need to true wheels on the bike, they are there.
If your bike is filthy from a rainy day, you can scrub it in all
corners really well.
why bother? it'll only get dirty the next day. just ride the freakin'
thing. sweat and mud are badges of honor, not something to be ashamed of.

Of course you can get around all this with any
bike stand. When I was a poor college student I would do everything
with the bike against the wall. However, if I am going to spend over
$100. bucks, I will spend them on the stand that gives me the most
maneuverability and access. Seatpost clamping stands give you this,
and this is the reason pretty much all pro mechanics have this sort of
rack.
I would bet that all pro mechanics in this group would recommend a
seatpost clamping rack.
and yet all the pros on the tour, as has been pointed out by ryan, use
the non-clamping style stand. but they're just ignorant europeans -
what do they know?

actually, they are useful to adjust gears, and brakes and to tighten
bolts before a race. So, if the purpose of the stand is to take it to
the race site to make minor adjustments, then they are great, as I
stated in my original post. In fact, in such cases they would be
preferable cause you don't want to be readjusting seatposts. However,
for major overhauls in a bike shop or at home, they are inconvenient
and impractical.

impractical for major overhauls? have you used one? because that's the
opposite of my experience. i can exert more leverage with much more
confidence on the bb of my bikes when mounted in my minoura stand of
that design than i can on any stand of tube clamp design.



If Maple tree wants a stand to take to races to do
minor adjustments, such a stand is fine. A trainer works even better
since you can make adjustments and also warm up on it. OTOH, if he
wants it for home, not such a good idea.
I bet that the ones that we know of, such as
Peter, and Andrew also use this type of rack. Anybody else who owns a
bike shop would care to contribute?
don't like the evidence presented, so keep searching!



Mike who works with the Trek carbon and aluminum bikes and all their
silly technology recommends them. I am sure that he handles more
volume than you or I.
Andres

"Maple Tree" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand to
purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.

Thank you


Hello Fellows,

I went with the ParkTools PRS-20, thanks for your help.

http://www.parktool.com/products/det...23&item=PRS-20

Clamping a carbon fibre frame or seatpost is a mistake, for anyone out there
that suggested it. The new and proper way is using a bike stand like the
PRS-20, several companies are making them now.