What Right-Wing Governance Does For Cycling

On 3/3/2011 1:12 PM, AMuzi wrote:
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On 3/2/2011 12:01 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
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Remember to thank the budget priorities of upper class tax cuts and
subsidies, when your favorite rural riding routes change from
pavement
to
road bike unfriendly aggregate surfacing.

I think Minnesota has more miles of roads to maintain than almost any
other
state. If and when we return some asphalt roads to gravel roads, it
just
means that vehicles will have to go slower which will not to be such a
bad
thing. As far a cycling is concerned, I NEVER see cyclists doing any
riding
on rural roads. Cycling is best restricted to urban areas anyway.

As for raising taxes to pay for ever more and better roads, forget
about
it.
The states and counties are all going broke just like the federal
government. Everyone is already paying more than enough taxes.

Nonsense. The upper classes and corporations are only paying a fraction
of what they did under the REPUBLICAN Eisenhower Administration
(when the
middle classes were much better off).

But everything is constantly changing. We now live in a global
economy and
the upper classes and corporations can take whatever they have to
foreign
lands. It is what makes it possible for me to shop at Wal-Mart and
not be
robbed. Jeez, try to get up to date if that is possible.

The solution
to all our problems is to stop the spending and to learn to get
along on
less. What we spend on education is especially a boondoggle. Yea,
tighten
the belt and welcome deprivation. It is good for the soul!

The biggest boondoggle is what is spent on subsidizing Wall Street
incomes.

Frankly, I do not understand how Wall Street works at all. I would never
give those *******s a single penny.

Wall Street produces no added value, leading to the obvious conclusion
that the investment bankers are merely parasites sucking the economic
blood out of the working classes.

The original purpose of the stock market allowing corporations to
raise capital has been perverted into the world's largest de facto
gambling operation and Ponzi scheme.


In theory there is added value in distribution of information and
enhancing more efficient capital allocation. At one time those were
true. To our great benefit.

We seldom agree but I do on this. It's sadly obvious now.



Capitalism is fine, it just needs to be injected with a little socialism
to take the rough edges off. This is the clear lesson from the not so
distant past. As exhibit "A", I'd give the Eastern hybrid that's
currently kicking our collective Western asses (economically). Not that
that particular flavor would be my first choice, but nothing succeeds
like success...

On 3/3/2011 12:12 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Mar 3, 9:15 am, Peter wrote:
On 3/3/2011 12:52 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On Mar 2, 5:28 pm, Peter wrote:
On 3/2/2011 12:24 AM, Jay Beattie wrote:
I don't need no
stink'n lanes. I need smooth asphalt. -- Jay Beattie.

You probably don't in Portland, most of it anyway, but people seem to
like them.

People tend to like what people are told they should like. Ask any
advertising professional.

More. Beam. Eye.

???

We need PUI laws, I think! (Posting Under the Influence.) ;-)

- Frank Krygowski

Sorry should have been "mote", not "more".

If that's still not clear, I'd add that propaganda cuts both ways.

Peter Cole wrote:
On 3/3/2011 1:12 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
On 3/2/2011 12:01 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"T�m Sherm�nT "
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On 3/1/2011 8:04 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
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Seehttp://www.bikeiowa.com/asp/hotnews/newsdisplay.asp?NewsID=4894.


Remember to thank the budget priorities of upper class tax cuts and
subsidies, when your favorite rural riding routes change from
pavement
to
road bike unfriendly aggregate surfacing.

I think Minnesota has more miles of roads to maintain than almost any
other
state. If and when we return some asphalt roads to gravel roads, it
just
means that vehicles will have to go slower which will not to be
such a
bad
thing. As far a cycling is concerned, I NEVER see cyclists doing any
riding
on rural roads. Cycling is best restricted to urban areas anyway.

As for raising taxes to pay for ever more and better roads, forget
about
it.
The states and counties are all going broke just like the federal
government. Everyone is already paying more than enough taxes.

Nonsense. The upper classes and corporations are only paying a
fraction
of what they did under the REPUBLICAN Eisenhower Administration
(when the
middle classes were much better off).

But everything is constantly changing. We now live in a global
economy and
the upper classes and corporations can take whatever they have to
foreign
lands. It is what makes it possible for me to shop at Wal-Mart and
not be
robbed. Jeez, try to get up to date if that is possible.

The solution
to all our problems is to stop the spending and to learn to get
along on
less. What we spend on education is especially a boondoggle. Yea,
tighten
the belt and welcome deprivation. It is good for the soul!

The biggest boondoggle is what is spent on subsidizing Wall Street
incomes.

Frankly, I do not understand how Wall Street works at all. I would
never
give those *******s a single penny.

Wall Street produces no added value, leading to the obvious conclusion
that the investment bankers are merely parasites sucking the economic
blood out of the working classes.

The original purpose of the stock market allowing corporations to
raise capital has been perverted into the world's largest de facto
gambling operation and Ponzi scheme.


In theory there is added value in distribution of information and
enhancing more efficient capital allocation. At one time those were
true. To our great benefit.

We seldom agree but I do on this. It's sadly obvious now.



Capitalism is fine, it just needs to be injected with a little socialism
to take the rough edges off. This is the clear lesson from the not so
distant past. As exhibit "A", I'd give the Eastern hybrid that's
currently kicking our collective Western asses (economically). Not that
that particular flavor would be my first choice, but nothing succeeds
like success...

Socialism works in the East, with our help.
Sarbanes-Oxley and Dodd-Frank are some of China's best
resources.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Mar 3, 12:32*pm, Peter Cole wrote:
On 3/3/2011 12:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On Mar 3, 9:13 am, Peter *wrote:
On 3/3/2011 12:47 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On Mar 2, 4:34 pm, Peter * *wrote:

I wish we had Portland's safety stats.

Is Boston unusually dangerous?

Compared to Portland.

By that standard, there is only one place on earth that's safe
enough. *That's whatever town currently has the absolute best safety
ranking.

That's a truly bizarre bit of pseudo-logic.

I know. And it's one that's invoked frequently by the "We must have
segregated facilities everywhere!!!" crowd.

By their logic, since (say) Germany has fewer fatalities per mile
ridden than the US, the US is obviously not safe enough, and we _must_
do something radical to fix it. That's their claim, no matter how
many millions of miles are ridden between US bike fatalities.

Carry that logic to its extreme, and you'll find only one place on
earth that's "safe enough."

- Frank Krygowski

On 3/3/2011 2:23 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Peter Cole wrote:
On 3/3/2011 1:12 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
On 3/2/2011 12:01 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"T�m Sherm�nT "
wrote in
message ...
On 3/1/2011 8:04 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"T?m Sherm?n? " wrote in
message ...
Seehttp://www.bikeiowa.com/asp/hotnews/newsdisplay.asp?NewsID=4894.


Remember to thank the budget priorities of upper class tax cuts and
subsidies, when your favorite rural riding routes change from
pavement
to
road bike unfriendly aggregate surfacing.

I think Minnesota has more miles of roads to maintain than almost
any
other
state. If and when we return some asphalt roads to gravel roads, it
just
means that vehicles will have to go slower which will not to be
such a
bad
thing. As far a cycling is concerned, I NEVER see cyclists doing any
riding
on rural roads. Cycling is best restricted to urban areas anyway.

As for raising taxes to pay for ever more and better roads, forget
about
it.
The states and counties are all going broke just like the federal
government. Everyone is already paying more than enough taxes.

Nonsense. The upper classes and corporations are only paying a
fraction
of what they did under the REPUBLICAN Eisenhower Administration
(when the
middle classes were much better off).

But everything is constantly changing. We now live in a global
economy and
the upper classes and corporations can take whatever they have to
foreign
lands. It is what makes it possible for me to shop at Wal-Mart and
not be
robbed. Jeez, try to get up to date if that is possible.

The solution
to all our problems is to stop the spending and to learn to get
along on
less. What we spend on education is especially a boondoggle. Yea,
tighten
the belt and welcome deprivation. It is good for the soul!

The biggest boondoggle is what is spent on subsidizing Wall Street
incomes.

Frankly, I do not understand how Wall Street works at all. I would
never
give those *******s a single penny.

Wall Street produces no added value, leading to the obvious conclusion
that the investment bankers are merely parasites sucking the economic
blood out of the working classes.

The original purpose of the stock market allowing corporations to
raise capital has been perverted into the world's largest de facto
gambling operation and Ponzi scheme.


In theory there is added value in distribution of information and
enhancing more efficient capital allocation. At one time those were
true. To our great benefit.

We seldom agree but I do on this. It's sadly obvious now.



Capitalism is fine, it just needs to be injected with a little
socialism to take the rough edges off. This is the clear lesson from
the not so distant past. As exhibit "A", I'd give the Eastern hybrid
that's currently kicking our collective Western asses (economically).
Not that that particular flavor would be my first choice, but nothing
succeeds like success...

Socialism works in the East, with our help.
Sarbanes-Oxley and Dodd-Frank are some of China's best resources.


Last I heard US corporations were doing fine, even adding lots of jobs,
just not here. That stuff just doesn't fly in China. The minority still
beating the deregulation drum is oblivious to the most highly regulated
economy in the world -- and the fastest growing.

On 3/3/2011 3:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Mar 3, 12:32 pm, Peter wrote:
On 3/3/2011 12:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On Mar 3, 9:13 am, Peter wrote:
On 3/3/2011 12:47 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On Mar 2, 4:34 pm, Peter wrote:

I wish we had Portland's safety stats.

Is Boston unusually dangerous?

Compared to Portland.

By that standard, there is only one place on earth that's safe
enough. That's whatever town currently has the absolute best safety
ranking.

That's a truly bizarre bit of pseudo-logic.

I know. And it's one that's invoked frequently by the "We must have
segregated facilities everywhere!!!" crowd.

By their logic, since (say) Germany has fewer fatalities per mile
ridden than the US, the US is obviously not safe enough, and we _must_
do something radical to fix it. That's their claim, no matter how
many millions of miles are ridden between US bike fatalities.

Carry that logic to its extreme, and you'll find only one place on
earth that's "safe enough."

- Frank Krygowski

I didn't bring up the topic of safety, Jay did. I find facilities more
pleasant, and there doesn't seem to be a safety downside.

Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Mar 3, 12:32 pm, Peter Cole wrote:
On 3/3/2011 12:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On Mar 3, 9:13 am, Peter wrote:
On 3/3/2011 12:47 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Mar 2, 4:34 pm, Peter wrote:
I wish we had Portland's safety stats.
Is Boston unusually dangerous?
Compared to Portland.
By that standard, there is only one place on earth that's safe
enough. That's whatever town currently has the absolute best safety
ranking.
That's a truly bizarre bit of pseudo-logic.

I know. And it's one that's invoked frequently by the "We must have
segregated facilities everywhere!!!" crowd.

By their logic, since (say) Germany has fewer fatalities per mile
ridden than the US, the US is obviously not safe enough, and we _must_
do something radical to fix it. That's their claim, no matter how
many millions of miles are ridden between US bike fatalities.

Carry that logic to its extreme, and you'll find only one place on
earth that's "safe enough."

And it's certainly not my bed. I will need to get out of it at some
time and risk dying in the attempt.

I may become an ex-parrot, pining for the fjords.

JS.

On Mar 3, 9:23*pm, James wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Mar 3, 12:32 pm, Peter Cole wrote:
On 3/3/2011 12:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On Mar 3, 9:13 am, Peter *wrote:
On 3/3/2011 12:47 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Mar 2, 4:34 pm, Peter * *wrote:
I wish we had Portland's safety stats.
Is Boston unusually dangerous?
Compared to Portland.
By that standard, there is only one place on earth that's safe
enough. *That's whatever town currently has the absolute best safety
ranking.
That's a truly bizarre bit of pseudo-logic.

I know. *And it's one that's invoked frequently by the "We must have
segregated facilities everywhere!!!" crowd.

By their logic, since (say) Germany has fewer fatalities per mile
ridden than the US, the US is obviously not safe enough, and we _must_
do something radical to fix it. *That's their claim, no matter how
many millions of miles are ridden between US bike fatalities.

Carry that logic to its extreme, and you'll find only one place on
earth that's "safe enough."

And it's certainly not my bed. *I will need to get out of it at some
time and risk dying in the attempt.

I may become an ex-parrot, pining for the fjords.

JS.

I'm an ex-parrot, and I can't say I pine for the bushfires, or even
for Melbourne's unpredictable weather. Many's the day that just
walking from St Vincent Place, at the end of Albert Park nearest the
city, to Collins Lane, I successively got baked and soaked, and one
day at the Governor's garden party snow started falling out of a clear
summer sky. But I see in passing that Melbourne is now rated the best
city in the world to live in. Clearly they didn't ask cyclists.

My fave city in Australia is Adelaide, but I never tried to cycle
there, though I knew some guys who commuted to college across the
Mighty Torrens by bike from about a mile away. I think from anywhere
on the edge of the green belt might be good commuting, in Adelaide,
though not on race days if you live on the racecourse side, as I did.

André Jute
Exparrot - very colourful

On Mar 3, 4:14*pm, Peter Cole wrote:

I didn't bring up the topic of safety, Jay did.

Yes, Jay pointed to some hazards of particularly weird bike
facilities. But you were the one who brought up comparative
statistics envy. "I wish we had Portland's safety stats," IIRC.

I find facilities more
pleasant, and there doesn't seem to be a safety downside.

That's whitewashing with a very broad brush. Safety downsides of
various badly-conceived facilities have been discussed here often.

You're one small step away from "Any bike facility is a good bike
facility," which is no more sensible than "If Portland is safer,
Boston must be too dangerous." At least, qualify your enthusiasm.

- Frank Krygowski

On 3/3/2011 3:10 PM, Peter Cole wrote:
On 3/3/2011 2:23 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Peter Cole wrote:
On 3/3/2011 1:12 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
On 3/2/2011 12:01 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"T�m Sherm�nT "
wrote in
message ...
On 3/1/2011 8:04 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"T?m Sherm?n? "
wrote in
message ...
Seehttp://www.bikeiowa.com/asp/hotnews/newsdisplay.asp?NewsID=4894.



Remember to thank the budget priorities of upper class tax cuts
and
subsidies, when your favorite rural riding routes change from
pavement
to
road bike unfriendly aggregate surfacing.

I think Minnesota has more miles of roads to maintain than almost
any
other
state. If and when we return some asphalt roads to gravel roads, it
just
means that vehicles will have to go slower which will not to be
such a
bad
thing. As far a cycling is concerned, I NEVER see cyclists doing
any
riding
on rural roads. Cycling is best restricted to urban areas anyway.

As for raising taxes to pay for ever more and better roads, forget
about
it.
The states and counties are all going broke just like the federal
government. Everyone is already paying more than enough taxes.

Nonsense. The upper classes and corporations are only paying a
fraction
of what they did under the REPUBLICAN Eisenhower Administration
(when the
middle classes were much better off).

But everything is constantly changing. We now live in a global
economy and
the upper classes and corporations can take whatever they have to
foreign
lands. It is what makes it possible for me to shop at Wal-Mart and
not be
robbed. Jeez, try to get up to date if that is possible.

The solution
to all our problems is to stop the spending and to learn to get
along on
less. What we spend on education is especially a boondoggle. Yea,
tighten
the belt and welcome deprivation. It is good for the soul!

The biggest boondoggle is what is spent on subsidizing Wall Street
incomes.

Frankly, I do not understand how Wall Street works at all. I would
never
give those *******s a single penny.

Wall Street produces no added value, leading to the obvious conclusion
that the investment bankers are merely parasites sucking the economic
blood out of the working classes.

The original purpose of the stock market allowing corporations to
raise capital has been perverted into the world's largest de facto
gambling operation and Ponzi scheme.


In theory there is added value in distribution of information and
enhancing more efficient capital allocation. At one time those were
true. To our great benefit.

We seldom agree but I do on this. It's sadly obvious now.



Capitalism is fine, it just needs to be injected with a little
socialism to take the rough edges off. This is the clear lesson from
the not so distant past. As exhibit "A", I'd give the Eastern hybrid
that's currently kicking our collective Western asses (economically).
Not that that particular flavor would be my first choice, but nothing
succeeds like success...

Socialism works in the East, with our help.
Sarbanes-Oxley and Dodd-Frank are some of China's best resources.


Last I heard US corporations were doing fine, even adding lots of jobs,
just not here. That stuff just doesn't fly in China. The minority still
beating the deregulation drum is oblivious to the most highly regulated
economy in the world -- and the fastest growing.

The advocacy for deregulation is based on ideology and not economics -
the corporate barons do not want any restrictions put on them by the
working peasants.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.