Yet another pavement motorist smashes a shop window. Luckily nobodydied this time.

They complain bitterly about pavement cyclists but they completely
ignore the much greater damage and risks caused by pavement motorists.

"Car smashes through shop window in Bletchley

The crash happened in St Mary's Avenue, Bletchley

A driver, shop staff and customers escaped injury when a car ploughed
through the window of a convenience store in Buckinghamshire.

The Mercedes Benz struck the front of Best-One supermarket in St
Mary's Avenue, Bletchley, at about 1000 GMT.

The female driver was able to get out of the car before the arrival of
fire crews, who made the vehicle safe.

The damaged area was not load-bearing, the fire service said. Milton
Keynes Council later inspected the building."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...herts-12197612

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On Jan 15, 6:47*am, Doug wrote:
They complain bitterly about pavement cyclists but they completely
ignore the much greater damage and risks caused by pavement motorists.

"Car smashes through shop window in Bletchley

*The crash happened in St Mary's Avenue, Bletchley

A driver, shop staff and customers escaped injury when a car ploughed
through the window of a convenience store in Buckinghamshire.

The Mercedes Benz struck the front of Best-One supermarket in St
Mary's Avenue, Bletchley, at about 1000 GMT.

The female driver was able to get out of the car before the arrival of
fire crews, who made the vehicle safe.

The damaged area was not load-bearing, the fire service said. Milton
Keynes Council later inspected the building."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...herts-12197612

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A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Would you call this wilful and deliberate endangerment of others like
pavement cycling, or and 'accident' where the driver left the road
after they lost control (the clue is in the word 'accident')

As a pedestrian, I'd rather take my chances with the slim risk of the
latter happening than share the pavements with ignorant and selfish
individuals who use the footpaths as their own personal highway.

So many cyclists use the pavements in this way, it is not newsworthy
in the way a car leaving the road is.

On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 23:19:11 -0800 (PST), ash
wrote:

On Jan 15, 6:47*am, Doug wrote:
They complain bitterly about pavement cyclists but they completely
ignore the much greater damage and risks caused by pavement motorists.

"Car smashes through shop window in Bletchley

*The crash happened in St Mary's Avenue, Bletchley

A driver, shop staff and customers escaped injury when a car ploughed
through the window of a convenience store in Buckinghamshire.

The Mercedes Benz struck the front of Best-One supermarket in St
Mary's Avenue, Bletchley, at about 1000 GMT.

The female driver was able to get out of the car before the arrival of
fire crews, who made the vehicle safe.

The damaged area was not load-bearing, the fire service said. Milton
Keynes Council later inspected the building."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...herts-12197612

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.
*http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Would you call this wilful and deliberate endangerment of others like
pavement cycling, or and 'accident' where the driver left the road
after they lost control (the clue is in the word 'accident')

As a pedestrian, I'd rather take my chances with the slim risk of the
latter happening than share the pavements with ignorant and selfish
individuals who use the footpaths as their own personal highway.

So many cyclists use the pavements in this way, it is not newsworthy
in the way a car leaving the road is.

What would you rather:
- a motor vehicle slithering towards you on the pavement out of
control;
- or, a bicycle being ridden in a controlled manner on the pavement
coming towards you.

On Jan 15, 6:47*am, Doug wrote:
They complain bitterly about pavement cyclists but they completely
ignore the much greater damage and risks caused by pavement motorists.

"Car smashes through shop window in Bletchley

*The crash happened in St Mary's Avenue, Bletchley

A driver, shop staff and customers escaped injury when a car ploughed
through the window of a convenience store in Buckinghamshire.

The Mercedes Benz struck the front of Best-One supermarket in St
Mary's Avenue, Bletchley, at about 1000 GMT.

The female driver was able to get out of the car before the arrival of
fire crews, who made the vehicle safe.

The damaged area was not load-bearing, the fire service said. Milton
Keynes Council later inspected the building."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...herts-12197612

Completely OT, again.

On Jan 15, 8:07*am, Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 23:19:11 -0800 (PST), ash
wrote:





On Jan 15, 6:47*am, Doug wrote:
They complain bitterly about pavement cyclists but they completely
ignore the much greater damage and risks caused by pavement motorists.

"Car smashes through shop window in Bletchley

*The crash happened in St Mary's Avenue, Bletchley

A driver, shop staff and customers escaped injury when a car ploughed
through the window of a convenience store in Buckinghamshire.

The Mercedes Benz struck the front of Best-One supermarket in St
Mary's Avenue, Bletchley, at about 1000 GMT.

The female driver was able to get out of the car before the arrival of
fire crews, who made the vehicle safe.

The damaged area was not load-bearing, the fire service said. Milton
Keynes Council later inspected the building."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...herts-12197612

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.
*http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Would you call this wilful and deliberate endangerment of others like
pavement cycling, or and 'accident' where the driver left the road
after they lost control (the clue is in the word 'accident')

As a pedestrian, I'd rather take my chances with the slim risk of the
latter happening than share the pavements with ignorant and selfish
individuals who use the footpaths as their own personal highway.

So many cyclists use the pavements in this way, it is not newsworthy
in the way a car leaving the road is.

What would you rather:
- a motor vehicle slithering towards you on the pavement out of
control;
- or, a bicycle being ridden in a controlled manner on the pavement
coming towards you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Neither!

On Jan 15, 6:47*am, Doug wrote:
They complain bitterly about pavement cyclists but they completely
ignore the much greater damage and risks caused by pavement motorists.

"Car smashes through shop window in Bletchley

*The crash happened in St Mary's Avenue, Bletchley

A driver, shop staff and customers escaped injury when a car ploughed
through the window of a convenience store in Buckinghamshire.

The Mercedes Benz struck the front of Best-One supermarket in St
Mary's Avenue, Bletchley, at about 1000 GMT.

The female driver was able to get out of the car before the arrival of
fire crews, who made the vehicle safe.

The damaged area was not load-bearing, the fire service said. Milton
Keynes Council later inspected the building."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...herts-12197612

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.
*http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.


I can not see any reference to this driver delibratly driving on the
pavement unlike the cyclist who rode past my house this morning (on
the pavement).

Do you see the diference, one was on the pavement accidently the other
was on the pavement on purpose.

On 15/01/2011 06:47, Doug wrote:
They complain bitterly about pavement cyclists

This is the right place for that - it *is* a cycling NG.

but they completely
ignore the much greater damage and risks caused by pavement motorists.

Here? Yes - that's because this is a cycling NG, to post or comment on
that here would be uncivil as it is completely irrelevant to cycling and
thus completely OT.

BTW, have you ever seen a complaint here about cyclists accidentally
veering across a pavement as an inadvertent by-product of an incident
occurring on the road - that is as opposed to cycling on them entirely
deliberately as an alternative to the road?

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On Fri, 14 Jan 2011, ash wrote:
On Jan 15, 6:47Â*am, Doug wrote:
They complain bitterly about pavement cyclists but they completely
ignore the much greater damage and risks caused by pavement motorists.

"Car smashes through shop window in Bletchley

Â*The crash happened in St Mary's Avenue, Bletchley

A driver, shop staff and customers escaped injury when a car
ploughed through the window of a convenience store in
Buckinghamshire.

The Mercedes Benz struck the front of Best-One supermarket in St
Mary's Avenue, Bletchley, at about 1000 GMT.

The female driver was able to get out of the car before the
arrival of fire crews, who made the vehicle safe.

The damaged area was not load-bearing, the fire service said.
Milton Keynes Council later inspected the building."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...herts-12197612

Would you call this wilful and deliberate endangerment of others like
pavement cycling, or and 'accident' where the driver left the road
after they lost control (the clue is in the word 'accident')

Well, since teh word 'accident' is not in teh news report, and you
seem to think that "THE clue" (my emphasis) to teh status of teh
incident is in whether or not teh word 'accident' occurs, teh logical
assumption is that you must have concluded that it was wilfull and
deliberate.

I don't think your justification for reaching that conclusion is
adequate, but that's down to you really.

regards, Ian SMith
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On Jan 15, 10:01*am, Ian Smith wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011, ash wrote:
*On Jan 15, 6:47*am, Doug wrote:
They complain bitterly about pavement cyclists but they completely
ignore the much greater damage and risks caused by pavement motorists..

"Car smashes through shop window in Bletchley

*The crash happened in St Mary's Avenue, Bletchley

A driver, shop staff and customers escaped injury when a car
ploughed through the window of a convenience store in
Buckinghamshire.

The Mercedes Benz struck the front of Best-One supermarket in St
Mary's Avenue, Bletchley, at about 1000 GMT.

The female driver was able to get out of the car before the
arrival of fire crews, who made the vehicle safe.

The damaged area was not load-bearing, the fire service said.
Milton Keynes Council later inspected the building."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...herts-12197612

*Would you call this wilful and deliberate endangerment of others like
*pavement cycling, or and 'accident' where the driver left the road
*after they lost control (the clue is in the word 'accident')

Well, since teh word 'accident' is not in teh news report, and you
seem to think that "THE clue" (my emphasis) to teh status of teh
incident is in whether or not teh word 'accident' occurs, teh logical
assumption is that you must have concluded that it was wilfull and
deliberate.

I don't think your justification for reaching that conclusion is
adequate, but that's down to you really.

regards, * Ian SMith
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You also have predictably gone for the 'Incident/Accident hair
splitting common to pedants.

You need to get this bit right as I think you have got your arse
around your elbow.

FYI - An accident is a specific, unexpected, unusual and unintended
external action which occurs in a particular time and place, with no
apparent and deliberate cause but with marked effects. It implies a
generally negative outcome which may have been avoided or prevented
had circumstances leading up to the accident been recognized, and
acted upon, prior to its occurrence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident

Given that the reports have not been published yet, and so blame has
not been apportioned, we can still safely use the above term of
'Accident' as opposed to 'Incident' as an accurate way of describing
what we have or have not learned from the news reports.

On the other hand of course, (and without prejudice) it could have
been deliberate, but then very unlikely given the road layout and type
of car (Big merc which are auto or semi auto tiptronic),

If attempting to dissect with information which can be acquired easily
to decide if it is indeed an incident or accident, I'll wager was very
likely caused by driver error when they confused throttle and brake
pedal on an auto box whilst 'Drive' was inadvertently engaged when
they were attempting to backing out of the parking space. The car
lurched forward and in their confusion the driver panicked and stamped
on the throttle instead of the brake.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=St+Mary's+Avenue,+Bletchley&ie=UTF8&hq=&hne ar=St+Mary's+Ave,+Bletchley,+Milton+Keynes,+Buckin ghamshire+MK3+5DT,+United+Kingdom&gl=uk&ll=51.9899 41,-0.758014&spn=0.007426,0.01929&z=16&layer=c&cbll=51 .990018,-0.758128&panoid=YEfze7c403aiIJOg3atZSQ&cbp=12,334. 97,,0,5


Very very common with auto box drivers, and it isn't like they had a
run up at it if you look at the google map. They did only have a
simple non load bearing window system between them and the interior of
the shop as well so it is not difficult to see that they managed to
get so far in before getting stuck with a high powered engine pushing
them forward.

A fiver on it being an 'accident' as described above as the car is far
too nice to bin on purpose in a fit of pique - even if there was a
cyclist in the way which they were trying to ram off the pavement
(that bit will please Doug as it is his thread ;o) )

On Jan 15, 10:01*am, Ian Smith wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011, ash wrote:
*On Jan 15, 6:47*am, Doug wrote:
They complain bitterly about pavement cyclists but they completely
ignore the much greater damage and risks caused by pavement motorists..

"Car smashes through shop window in Bletchley

*The crash happened in St Mary's Avenue, Bletchley

A driver, shop staff and customers escaped injury when a car
ploughed through the window of a convenience store in
Buckinghamshire.

The Mercedes Benz struck the front of Best-One supermarket in St
Mary's Avenue, Bletchley, at about 1000 GMT.

The female driver was able to get out of the car before the
arrival of fire crews, who made the vehicle safe.

The damaged area was not load-bearing, the fire service said.
Milton Keynes Council later inspected the building."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...herts-12197612

*Would you call this wilful and deliberate endangerment of others like
*pavement cycling, or and 'accident' where the driver left the road
*after they lost control (the clue is in the word 'accident')

Well, since teh word 'accident' is not in teh news report, and you
seem to think that "THE clue" (my emphasis) to teh status of teh
incident is in whether or not teh word 'accident' occurs, teh logical
assumption is that you must have concluded that it was wilfull and
deliberate.

I don't think your justification for reaching that conclusion is
adequate, but that's down to you really.

regards, * Ian SMith
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An accident is a specific, unexpected, unusual and unintended
external action which occurs in a particular time and place, with no
apparent and deliberate cause but with marked effects. It implies a
generally negative outcome which may have been avoided or prevented
had circumstances leading up to the accident been recognized, and
acted upon, prior to its occurrence.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident