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Old March 30th 12, 09:47 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mrcheerful[_3_]
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Organisers of the London Triathlon face a huge fine after a pensioner was
killed by a cyclist on the racecourse.

Alhaj Jain Ullah, 67, was trying to cross the track at a supervised crossing
point when the cyclist smashed into him in Wapping.

Mr Ullah, who walked with a stick after a stroke, was thrown into the air
and landed several feet away, Snaresbrook crown court heard.

Witnesses said there was panic as competitors, including a medical student
and an off-duty policeman, got off their bikes to help Mr Ullah on August 2,
2009. He was taken to the Royal London Hospital in a critical condition and
died five days later.

Judge Timothy Lamb said: "I am used to hearing expressions of remorse in
mitigation from defendants in these cases." Mr Ullah (victim's son) said:
"The judge had to comment before their barrister would say anything. It just
shows the level of remorse they feel. The fine doesn't mean anything to me.
If they'd admitted their guilt already, they could at least have started off
with an apology."

IMG (race organisers) will be sentenced later this month.


http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/c...t-7603300.html


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Old March 30th 12, 10:14 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:47:42 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

August 2,
2009


Wow! Is this the latest pedestrian death caused by a cyclist?
Pedestrians really are very safe from cyclists. I wonder how often
pedestrians are killed tripping over broken paving slabs...

Are paving slabs more dangerous to pedestians than cyclists?
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Old March 30th 12, 10:15 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:47:42 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

August 2,
2009


Wow! Is this the latest pedestrian death caused by a cyclist?
Pedestrians really are very safe from cyclists. I wonder how often
pedestrians are killed tripping over broken paving slabs...

Are paving slabs more dangerous to pedestians than cyclists?


No, not the latest (I did not claim it was) but they are only now dealing
with it, which is why it is news today. This is a uk cycling group, my
post is about cycling in the UK, not paving slabs. Do try to keep on track
for the group.


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Old March 30th 12, 11:26 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Racing cyclist that killed a pedestrian at a crossing

On Mar 30, 10:14*pm, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:47:42 +0100, "Mrcheerful"

wrote:
August 2,
2009


Wow! Is this the latest pedestrian death caused by a cyclist?
Pedestrians really are very safe from cyclists. I wonder how often
pedestrians are killed tripping over broken paving slabs...

Are paving slabs more dangerous to pedestians than cyclists?


Bertie Wooster, you are troll-feeding and thus contributing to the
downfall of uk.rec.cycling. I would ask you not to give this person
the satisfaction of a reply next time.
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Old March 31st 12, 08:33 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Zapp Brannigan wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
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Organisers of the London Triathlon face a huge fine after a
pensioner was killed by a cyclist on the racecourse.


Over in uklm there is debate about saying X "killed" Y without some
finding that X was actually responsible for it (civilly or
criminally). This case seems to be another example - the codger died
in a collision with the cyclist, but the killing was arguably done by
the organisers who failed to ensure safe arrangements. If someone
wanders onto an F1 racetrack and is fatally injured, we wouldn't say
"Lewis Hamilton killed a pensioner...."
" IMG UK, which has organised the race for 10,000 competitors since
2001, admitted breaching health and safety regulations. It failed to
put up barriers at crossings and to ensure that staff were adequately
trained in crowd control."


in this case the competitor knew that there were crossing points and failed
to anticipate that someone might use them and ride accordingly upon
approaching them. the organisers may have been negligent, but the cyclist
killed the elderly person, who certainly did not leap unexpectedly in front
of the cyclist.


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Old March 31st 12, 08:33 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Racing cyclist that killed a pedestrian at a crossing

On Mar 30, 11:26*pm, M Wicks wrote:
On Mar 30, 10:14*pm, Bertie Wooster wrote:

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:47:42 +0100, "Mrcheerful"


wrote:
August 2,
2009


Wow! Is this the latest pedestrian death caused by a cyclist?
Pedestrians really are very safe from cyclists. I wonder how often
pedestrians are killed tripping over broken paving slabs...


Are paving slabs more dangerous to pedestians than cyclists?


Bertie Wooster, you are troll-feeding and thus contributing to the
downfall of uk.rec.cycling. I would ask you not to give this person
the satisfaction of a reply next time.


If you don't like it go somewhere else, try the moderated group they
may be looking to recruit another control freak.
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Old March 31st 12, 08:34 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Racing cyclist that killed a pedestrian at a crossing

On Mar 31, 12:56*am, "Zapp Brannigan" wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote in message

...

Organisers of the London Triathlon face a huge fine after a pensioner was
killed by a cyclist on the racecourse.


Over in uklm there is debate about saying X "killed" Y without some finding
that X was actually responsible for it (civilly or criminally). *This case
seems to be another example - the codger died in a collision with the
cyclist, but the killing was arguably done by the organisers who failed to
ensure safe arrangements. *If someone wanders onto an F1 racetrack and is
fatally injured, we wouldn't say "Lewis Hamilton killed a pensioner...."


Some would, especially Ferrari fanboys.


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Old March 31st 12, 10:00 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Racing cyclist that killed a pedestrian at a crossing


"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
...
Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:47:42 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

August 2,
2009


Wow! Is this the latest pedestrian death caused by a cyclist?
Pedestrians really are very safe from cyclists. I wonder how often
pedestrians are killed tripping over broken paving slabs...

Are paving slabs more dangerous to pedestians than cyclists?


No, not the latest (I did not claim it was) but they are only now dealing
with it, which is why it is news today. This is a uk cycling group, my
post is about cycling in the UK, not paving slabs. Do try to keep on
track for the group.


Paving slabs are more relevant for most cyclists than road surfaces are.

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Old March 31st 12, 10:56 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mrcheerful[_3_]
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Default Racing cyclist that killed a pedestrian at a crossing

Tris wrote:
In post "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Zapp Brannigan wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
...
Organisers of the London Triathlon face a huge fine after a
pensioner was killed by a cyclist on the racecourse.

Over in uklm there is debate about saying X "killed" Y without some
finding that X was actually responsible for it (civilly or
criminally). This case seems to be another example - the codger
died in a collision with the cyclist, but the killing was arguably
done by the organisers who failed to ensure safe arrangements. If
someone wanders onto an F1 racetrack and is fatally injured, we
wouldn't say "Lewis Hamilton killed a pensioner...."
" IMG UK, which has organised the race for 10,000 competitors since
2001, admitted breaching health and safety regulations. It failed to
put up barriers at crossings and to ensure that staff were
adequately trained in crowd control."


in this case the competitor knew that there were crossing points and
failed to anticipate that someone might use them and ride
accordingly upon approaching them. the organisers may have been
negligent, but the cyclist killed the elderly person, who certainly
did not leap unexpectedly in front of the cyclist.


Are you saying that the cyclist competitor was to blame for the death
of the unfortunate elderly person? Was the cyclist charged with any
offence as a result if this incident?


the cyclist hit him, the cyclist was responsible for his death. AFAIK the
cyclist was not charged with any offence.


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Old March 31st 12, 12:38 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Racing cyclist that killed a pedestrian at a crossing

Tris wrote:
In post "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Tris wrote:
In post "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Zapp Brannigan wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
...
Organisers of the London Triathlon face a huge fine after a
pensioner was killed by a cyclist on the racecourse.

Over in uklm there is debate about saying X "killed" Y without
some finding that X was actually responsible for it (civilly or
criminally). This case seems to be another example - the codger
died in a collision with the cyclist, but the killing was arguably
done by the organisers who failed to ensure safe arrangements. If
someone wanders onto an F1 racetrack and is fatally injured, we
wouldn't say "Lewis Hamilton killed a pensioner...."
" IMG UK, which has organised the race for 10,000 competitors
since 2001, admitted breaching health and safety regulations. It
failed to put up barriers at crossings and to ensure that staff
were adequately trained in crowd control."

in this case the competitor knew that there were crossing points
and failed to anticipate that someone might use them and ride
accordingly upon approaching them. the organisers may have been
negligent, but the cyclist killed the elderly person, who certainly
did not leap unexpectedly in front of the cyclist.

Are you saying that the cyclist competitor was to blame for the
death of the unfortunate elderly person? Was the cyclist charged
with any offence as a result if this incident?


the cyclist hit him, the cyclist was responsible for his death.
AFAIK the cyclist was not charged with any offence.


So, the cyclist wasn't held legally responsible then.

Where there's blame, there's a claim (if you believe the tv ads.) -
was any civil action taken against the cyclist? If not, or if there
was and you don't know the outcome, should you really go around making
assertions, without proof, regarding the responsibility of people
involved in such unfortunate situations?

Some circumstances are accidents waiting to happen, and some of them
regrettably cause accidental deaths.


Did the ped. die as a result of the cyclist running into him?


 




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