"quick release" chain link that really IS?

On May 12, 10:42*am, BCDrums wrote:
P. Chisholm wrote:
On May 11, 4:01 pm, (It's Chris) wrote:
I loved the concept of tool free chain breaking initiated (AFAIK) by the
Craig "Super-Link". However, Craig is no more, and all the QRL's I have
seen are either designed to be single use (tool-free installation,
cannot be removed) or are so difficult to remove they require a pair of
pliers to squeeze the plates together, or slide them so they can be
separated, or whatever other method it takes to remove them, which
completely negates the "tool-free" concept.

My question is: Is there a "tool-free removal" bicycle chain link that
really IS tool-free in actual use?

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Wipperman, best there is. For 8s, 9s and 10s and hopefully 11s soon.

Peter,

Do you mean the connecting link is the best there is, or the chain, or
both? I have been using SRAM 9sp PC 951, any comments?

BC
unchained

We sell the Wiiperman links, really good links, in 8, 9 and 10s. We
sell shimano chains(9s and 10s), Campagnolo chains(10s and 11s) and
Sram chains(track, 8s and 9s).

I think the 'best' solution is match shimano 9 and 10s chains with
shimano 9 and 10s 'systems'. Campagnolo 10s with Campagnolo 10s. We
use Sram 9s or shimano 9s chains on Campagnolo 9s(I think the shimano
9s chain works better when new than Sram) and Sram 8s on 5/6/7/8s
systems.

For cost, reliability and longevity, I think Sram, shimano and
Campagnolo are the 'best' chain choices. I also use the least
expensive compatible cogset and chain. They are consumables, afterall.
I don't replace the Sram connector with a Wipperman, btw, on a Sram
chain.

What we sell bunches of is the Wipperman 10s connector. For Campagnolo
and shimano 10s chains.

P. Chisholm wrote:


We sell the Wiiperman links, really good links, in 8, 9 and 10s. We
sell shimano chains(9s and 10s), Campagnolo chains(10s and 11s) and
Sram chains(track, 8s and 9s).

I think the 'best' solution is match shimano 9 and 10s chains with
shimano 9 and 10s 'systems'. Campagnolo 10s with Campagnolo 10s. We
use Sram 9s or shimano 9s chains on Campagnolo 9s(I think the shimano
9s chain works better when new than Sram) and Sram 8s on 5/6/7/8s
systems.

For cost, reliability and longevity, I think Sram, shimano and
Campagnolo are the 'best' chain choices. I also use the least
expensive compatible cogset and chain. They are consumables, afterall.
I don't replace the Sram connector with a Wipperman, btw, on a Sram
chain.

What we sell bunches of is the Wipperman 10s connector. For Campagnolo
and shimano 10s chains.

Do the Shimano chains use a connecting link, or are they still using the
push-in pin? Has been a while since I used a Shimano chain.

BC

Wow. I never expected to create such a reaction, even if many of the
replies are a little off the original topic (Usenet, ya gotta luv it!
LL)

I haven't tried the Wipperman, I believe they are availble seperatly, as
confirmed by one poster. Unfortunatly, he did not give the name of his
shop when he mentioned that he sold them. If you read this, do you have
a website I can order from?

thanx

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On May 13, 6:37*am, Tom Ace wrote:
On May 12, 10:12*pm, Andre Jute wrote:

You could try one of each and see for yourself which kind of
chain lasted longer rather than taking Rohloff's word.

Whyever should I not take their word? This is nuts! They're
chainmakers themselves and they made my gearbox and the sprocket on
it. Of course they know best which parts are complementary.

It's a sprocket. *Nothing special about it.

Why should you not take their word?
If you care to know first-hand which chain lasts
better on your bike, in the conditions you ride in.
Nothing nuts about that. *It's not like you're going
to ruin the hub by trying another chain.

As to how credible Rohloff's advice about chains is--
keep in mind that they say that chains elongate by stretching.

I haven't seen that. What I saw was a remark about "chain elasticity"
which, after inspection of the German original, I rejected as a
translation anomaly.

If you read the German version, you would've seen
where they talk about stretching: "elastische Dehnung".

Tom Ace

"Elastic strain". So what? How many adult angels can dance on the head
of a pin, if none of them are overweight?

Ever occur to you that a chain isn't a precision instrument, or the
even precision instruments need to be settled in and adjusted? A chain
merely does its adjustment itself in the first few hundred yards or
miles or kilometres or days or whatever, with the aid of your
pedallng.

Andre Jute
"Cycling wisdom" is an oxymoron

In article
,
datakoll wrote:

try shaping wire insulation cutters for roller squeezing.
There's a reclaimed one laying abt here. I'll let yawl know after I
step on it.

No quoted material.

--
Michael Press

an interesting experiment:

when replacing or swapping chains, cleran old chain well, soak lube
with lightweight oil, hang on nail above Persian carpet.

AHA ! and what of the last measurement ?

“Concentration and mental toughness are the margins of victory.”

On May 13, 2:21*pm, Andre Jute wrote:
On May 13, 6:37*am, Tom Ace wrote:





On May 12, 10:12*pm, Andre Jute wrote:

You could try one of each and see for yourself which kind of
chain lasted longer rather than taking Rohloff's word.

Whyever should I not take their word? This is nuts! They're
chainmakers themselves and they made my gearbox and the sprocket on
it. Of course they know best which parts are complementary.

It's a sprocket. *Nothing special about it.

Why should you not take their word?
If you care to know first-hand which chain lasts
better on your bike, in the conditions you ride in.
Nothing nuts about that. *It's not like you're going
to ruin the hub by trying another chain.

As to how credible Rohloff's advice about chains is--
keep in mind that they say that chains elongate by stretching.

I haven't seen that. What I saw was a remark about "chain elasticity"
which, after inspection of the German original, I rejected as a
translation anomaly.

If you read the German version, you would've seen
where they talk about stretching: "elastische Dehnung".

Tom Ace

"Elastic strain". So what? How many adult angels can dance on the head
of a pin, if none of them are overweight?

Ever occur to you that a chain isn't a precision instrument, or the
even precision instruments need to be settled in and adjusted? A chain
merely does its adjustment itself in the first few hundred yards or
miles or kilometres or days or whatever, with the aid of your
pedallng.

It would be easy enough to determine this. Measure the pitch of a
fresh chain. Put it on a bike. Ride 100 yards and measure it again.
Fogel Labs should do this. -- Jay Beattie.

On May 14, 2:23*am, Jay Beattie wrote:
On May 13, 2:21*pm, Andre Jute wrote:



On May 13, 6:37*am, Tom Ace wrote:

On May 12, 10:12*pm, Andre Jute wrote:

You could try one of each and see for yourself which kind of
chain lasted longer rather than taking Rohloff's word.

Whyever should I not take their word? This is nuts! They're
chainmakers themselves and they made my gearbox and the sprocket on
it. Of course they know best which parts are complementary.

It's a sprocket. *Nothing special about it.

Why should you not take their word?
If you care to know first-hand which chain lasts
better on your bike, in the conditions you ride in.
Nothing nuts about that. *It's not like you're going
to ruin the hub by trying another chain.

As to how credible Rohloff's advice about chains is--
keep in mind that they say that chains elongate by stretching.

I haven't seen that. What I saw was a remark about "chain elasticity"
which, after inspection of the German original, I rejected as a
translation anomaly.

If you read the German version, you would've seen
where they talk about stretching: "elastische Dehnung".

Tom Ace

"Elastic strain". So what? How many adult angels can dance on the head
of a pin, if none of them are overweight?

Ever occur to you that a chain isn't a precision instrument, or the
even precision instruments need to be settled in and adjusted? A chain
merely does its adjustment itself in the first few hundred yards or
miles or kilometres or days or whatever, with the aid of your
pedallng.

It would be easy enough to determine this. *Measure the pitch of a
fresh chain. *Put it on a bike. *Ride 100 yards and measure it again.
Fogel Labs should do this. -- Jay Beattie.

The hundred yards would probably have to be up a very steep hill to
give an effective measure, which I define as where the chain has
completed microslippages and starts wearing. Perhaps a mile up a
steady gradient would be a more agreeable test. -- Andre Jute

wrote:
Ron Sonic wrote:

Would've thought that with the Rohloff's off-road ancestry and
rugged design they'd go for the 1/8" chain.

I thought so too, until I read the handbook. Before they got into
hub gearboxes, Rohloff was famous for their chains and chain tool,
so they reckon, rightly, that they know something about chains. If
they say 3/32in is good, that's good enough for me. -- Andre Jute

The usual advice applies about keeping an eye on chain pitch and
replacing chains before you wear out the sprocket. You could try
one of each and see for yourself which kind of chain lasted longer
rather than taking Rohloff's word. (That is, if it clears your
chaincase.)

As to how credible Rohloff's advice about chains is-- keep in mind
that they say that chains elongate by stretching.

Myself, I'll blame the poor schmuck who has to write the
manuals. He's only got so many words and gets blamed if people fail
to understand. It is so much easier to get someone to understand
"stretch" than "elongation" never mind trying to get the average
moron to understand what's actually going on in chain wear.

They have the same mistaken ideas about what lengthens the pitch of
bicycle chains as the people in the English speaking world. They have
terms used by the technical people called "lengthening" while this
reference clearly talks of "elastic stretching", not even "plastic
stretching" which is what they probably mean, because elastic would
return to normal length when not under tension.

I guess they have plenty of incompetent people in the company,
something I never doubted when talking to them at InterBike.


incompetent people? like incompetent people that muddy the water with
words like "elastic" and "plastic" when they should be getting directly
to the point and talking about "wear"?

In article
,
datakoll wrote:

an interesting experiment:

when replacing or swapping chains, cleran old chain well, soak lube
with lightweight oil, hang on nail above Persian carpet.

AHA ! and what of the last measurement ?

³Concentration and mental toughness are the margins of victory.²

No quoted material.

--
Michael Press