Bolivia's 'Death Road' claims life of U.S. mountain biker

You obviously haven't a clue what a mountain road is in south america
you asshole! Take a flyover some time Mr friendly skies!

On Apr 26, 9:54*am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 05:31:54 GMT, wrote:
So if I ride my mt. bike on Sonora Pass in the Sierra (a motor vechicle
route just as the Boliva Highway is, which btw it is a major route for
vehicular trafic in that country) and die than I died mt. biking.

Yes, and the sooner, the better.

So Mike wishes hard upon another cycist yet will later claim he has
never done so as he has claimed in the past he hasn't nor would.
Another false statement.

We psychologists call that "Projection". Obviously, you have more
familiarity with parking than I do, since I don't own a car and since
you work for an airline. DUH!

What the hell Mike. "WE PSYCHOLOGIST"...you are now stating you are a
psychologist? I suppose you wrote a book on that also. you aren't a
psychologist you freak...you have a degree in dietary services
basically.

so let's put your real studies to test! How many cups of sugar do I
use in this apple pie I am making?

You guys are INCREDIBLY stupid! How do you think he ended up off-road?
?He rode off-road! DUH!

Actually you're the one that is tarded. The roads are narrow...no room
for error. blind corners, etc. this happens all the time. You're just
an idiot. Like I said...take a flyover of the area next time.

marika wrote:

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
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Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.

when did they write the law(s) that require using real names and or
telling the truth on usenet.

It all goes to accountability and therefore credibility - if a sock
puppet becomes discredited, it can be tossed for a new one.

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On Apr 27, 12:34*pm, Tom Sherman
wrote:
marika wrote:

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
.. .

Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.

when did they write the law(s) that require using real names and or
telling the truth on usenet.

It all goes to accountability and therefore credibility - if a sock
puppet becomes discredited, it can be tossed for a new one.


Mike uses his real name and has ZERO credibilty.

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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marika wrote:

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...



Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.

when did they write the law(s) that require using real names and or
telling the truth on usenet.

It all goes to accountability and therefore credibility - if a sock puppet
becomes discredited, it can be tossed for a new one.

--


Mike uses his real name, and still lies. Can we toss him out for new one?

Siskuwihane wrote:
On Apr 27, 12:34 pm, Tom Sherman
wrote:
marika wrote:

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.
when did they write the law(s) that require using real names and or
telling the truth on usenet.
It all goes to accountability and therefore credibility - if a sock
puppet becomes discredited, it can be tossed for a new one.


Mike uses his real name and has ZERO credibilty.

The scary part is that Mikey V. probably believes on what he is posting,
unlike some anonymous trolls whose intent is to stir things up.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

On Apr 27, 3:22*am, Tom Sherman
wrote:
Mike Vandeman blathered:





On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:08:55 +0100, "Ronnie Guthrie"
wrote:

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:09:25 +0100, "Ronnie Guthrie"
wrote:

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
m...
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Jensen
wrote:

On Apr 24, 9:53 pm, Tom Sherman
wrote:
Mike Vandeman blathered:

Evolution at work:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...US-Tourist-Dea...
LA PAZ, Bolivia: A U.S. tourist has been killed after losing control
of his mountain bike and plunging off a cliff while biking down
Bolivia's treacherous "Highway of Death," rescue officials said
Monday.
Firefighter Ramiro Torres told The Associated Press that Kenneth
Mitchell died Saturday afternoon after falling about 230 feet (70
meters).
Officials at the U.S. Embassy in La Paz confirmed the 56-year-old
Mitchell's death but declined to release his hometown.
Mitchell was riding with one of several tourist agencies that offer
guided trips down the mountain road, which is known for its
breathtaking views, hairpin turns and steep drops.
Bus accidents killed hundreds of Bolivians a year there until a new,
paved highway was opened in 2007.
Dude, the guy was cycling on a ROAD. That is NOT mountain biking.

Exactly. *I'm with you on the small-trail riding, Mike, but
c'mon...this is a motor vehicle roadway. *Motor vehicles plunge to
their deaths here too.
So you think riding a mountain bike on a mountain road has nothing to
do with mountain biking? You are weird.
So what damage to the environment was he doing by riding a bike (mountain
bike or whatever) on a road designed for motor vehicles?
Obviously, he rode off-road. DUH!
I think not. *Check your facts first Mr Vandeman. *He was riding on a "road"
(http://tinyurl.com/2l84y6)

You guys are INCREDIBLY stupid! How do you think he ended up off-road?
He rode off-road! DUH!

No dude, the deceased was out of control once he left the road. Whether
or not he remained in physical contact with the bicycle after going over
the cliff, he was not riding the bicycle at that point. Furthermore, the
deceased was not intending to leave the road unless he was planning to
kill himself.

What happened is not riding off road. DUH!

The report I read said

"On Monday, Kenneth Mitchell, 56, of Fullerton, California, died when
he tumbled from his bicycle and fell over a cliff along the highway."

That would make him a hiker since he wasn't on his bike at the time of
going over the cliff.

Another cyclist was killed (same article) on the paved section on
Thursday, so much for the health benefits of road biking.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24311931/

On Apr 27, 8:28*pm, Tom Sherman
wrote:
Siskuwihane wrote:
On Apr 27, 12:34 pm, Tom Sherman
wrote:
marika wrote:

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.
when did they write the law(s) that require using real names and or
telling the truth on usenet.
It all goes to accountability and therefore credibility - if a sock
puppet becomes discredited, it can be tossed for a new one.

Mike uses his real name and has ZERO credibilty.

The scary part is that Mikey V. probably believes on what he is posting,
unlike some anonymous trolls whose intent is to stir things up.

Not sure if that's directed towards me or not, my real name and where
I live is posted elsewhere. My nic doesn't make my opinion,
experiences or knowledge any less valid than someone who uses their
real name on their account.

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...
Siskuwihane wrote:
On Apr 27, 12:34 pm, Tom Sherman
wrote:
marika wrote:

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.
when did they write the law(s) that require using real names and or
telling the truth on usenet.
It all goes to accountability and therefore credibility - if a sock
puppet becomes discredited, it can be tossed for a new one.


Mike uses his real name and has ZERO credibilty.

The scary part is that Mikey V. probably believes on what he is posting,
unlike some anonymous trolls whose intent is to stir things up.



That's certainly true. Mike believes in his propoganda, and is convinced he
is doing good.

The irony is, if one assumes he is 100% correct and we start listening to
him tomorrow at 0600 hrs, and keep it up for the remainder of all eternity,
the best we can hop for is the preservation of 0.004% of the environment. (I
might have the decimal point in the wrong place, and then Mike will save
0.0004% of the environment.)

Saving habitat is a noble goal, but saving the equivelent of a tennis court
in a square mile is not much of an accomplishment.

Mike is on a misguided mission to do nothing. He has his heart in the right
place, but his head is all ****ed up. This is not news to him, indeed I
fully expect a fresh round of "DUH!" and "LIAR". But, I can do the math that
comes to the 0.0004%, if anybody cares.

Clearly the habitat needs guys like Mike, but his agenda is all messed up.
Sad really. Environmental isues are macro, Mike is a micro kind of guy.
That's his problem.