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Thinking about buying a Cheap Chinese knockoff or anything?
If you're like Tom and are thinking about buying a cheap Chinese knockoff of anything pertaining to bicycling then you might want to read this. When it comes to Chinese stuff it really is BUYER BEWARE!
This guy didn't even know he was getting a Chinese counterfeit item. (The price should have warned him) https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...ake-bike-gear/ Cheers |
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On 12/4/2018 6:06 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
If you're like Tom and are thinking about buying a cheap Chinese knockoff of anything pertaining to bicycling then you might want to read this. When it comes to Chinese stuff it really is BUYER BEWARE! This guy didn't even know he was getting a Chinese counterfeit item. (The price should have warned him) https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...ake-bike-gear/ Cheers Indeed. Six years ago this was startling: http://www.globalfastenernews.com/20...ener-news-usa/ Now it's just every day all day. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 7:06:50 AM UTC-5, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
If you're like Tom and are thinking about buying a cheap Chinese knockoff of anything pertaining to bicycling then you might want to read this. When it comes to Chinese stuff it really is BUYER BEWARE! This guy didn't even know he was getting a Chinese counterfeit item. (The price should have warned him) https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...ake-bike-gear/ Here's one of the best parts of that article: "every carbon fiber product is a quality-control batch of one, and the finished outside shape tells you almost zero about what’s really inside.. I really like that phrase "... a quality-control batch of one..." The further explanation was good, too: "A frame can have hundreds of individual sheets of carbon fiber (called plies) of varying size and shape, which are placed in the mold in specific places in a rigidly defined order (called the layup). To make matters more complex, carbon fiber is unidirectional; its stiffness and strength characteristics apply only along one axis. To preserve those characteristics, a manufacturer must get the number, shape, and size of the plies, and their fiber orientation in the correct order, every time. That’s to say nothing of the actual grades of carbon fiber used, or the resin that holds the fibers in place and adds toughness and durability, or the sophistication and reliability of the manufacturer’s own production process." - Frank Krygowski |
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On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 9:58:34 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 7:06:50 AM UTC-5, Sir Ridesalot wrote: If you're like Tom and are thinking about buying a cheap Chinese knockoff of anything pertaining to bicycling then you might want to read this. When it comes to Chinese stuff it really is BUYER BEWARE! This guy didn't even know he was getting a Chinese counterfeit item. (The price should have warned him) https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...ake-bike-gear/ Here's one of the best parts of that article: "every carbon fiber product is a quality-control batch of one, and the finished outside shape tells you almost zero about what’s really inside. I really like that phrase "... a quality-control batch of one..." The further explanation was good, too: "A frame can have hundreds of individual sheets of carbon fiber (called plies) of varying size and shape, which are placed in the mold in specific places in a rigidly defined order (called the layup). To make matters more complex, carbon fiber is unidirectional; its stiffness and strength characteristics apply only along one axis. To preserve those characteristics, a manufacturer must get the number, shape, and size of the plies, and their fiber orientation in the correct order, every time. That’s to say nothing of the actual grades of carbon fiber used, or the resin that holds the fibers in place and adds toughness and durability, or the sophistication and reliability of the manufacturer’s own production process." - Frank Krygowski Frank, all of that is true so to be perfectly safe you shouldn't fly in any of the modern commercial aircraft which have extensive use of carbon fiber in the airframe, wing sections and now the entire skin. |
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On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 4:40:26 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 9:58:34 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 7:06:50 AM UTC-5, Sir Ridesalot wrote: If you're like Tom and are thinking about buying a cheap Chinese knockoff of anything pertaining to bicycling then you might want to read this. When it comes to Chinese stuff it really is BUYER BEWARE! This guy didn't even know he was getting a Chinese counterfeit item. (The price should have warned him) https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...ake-bike-gear/ Here's one of the best parts of that article: "every carbon fiber product is a quality-control batch of one, and the finished outside shape tells you almost zero about what’s really inside. I really like that phrase "... a quality-control batch of one..." The further explanation was good, too: "A frame can have hundreds of individual sheets of carbon fiber (called plies) of varying size and shape, which are placed in the mold in specific places in a rigidly defined order (called the layup). To make matters more complex, carbon fiber is unidirectional; its stiffness and strength characteristics apply only along one axis. To preserve those characteristics, a manufacturer must get the number, shape, and size of the plies, and their fiber orientation in the correct order, every time. That’s to say nothing of the actual grades of carbon fiber used, or the resin that holds the fibers in place and adds toughness and durability, or the sophistication and reliability of the manufacturer’s own production process." - Frank Krygowski Frank, all of that is true so to be perfectly safe you shouldn't fly in any of the modern commercial aircraft which have extensive use of carbon fiber in the airframe, wing sections and now the entire skin. Tom, if some discount airline offered tickets at 1/3 everyone else's price because they used inexpensive Chinese CF planes, I certainly wouldn't fly with them. - Frank Krygowski |
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 09:58:32 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
wrote: On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 7:06:50 AM UTC-5, Sir Ridesalot wrote: If you're like Tom and are thinking about buying a cheap Chinese knockoff of anything pertaining to bicycling then you might want to read this. When it comes to Chinese stuff it really is BUYER BEWARE! This guy didn't even know he was getting a Chinese counterfeit item. (The price should have warned him) https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...ake-bike-gear/ Here's one of the best parts of that article: "every carbon fiber product is a quality-control batch of one, and the finished outside shape tells you almost zero about what’s really inside. I really like that phrase "... a quality-control batch of one..." The further explanation was good, too: "A frame can have hundreds of individual sheets of carbon fiber (called plies) of varying size and shape, which are placed in the mold in specific places in a rigidly defined order (called the layup). To make matters more complex, carbon fiber is unidirectional; its stiffness and strength characteristics apply only along one axis. To preserve those characteristics, a manufacturer must get the number, shape, and size of the plies, and their fiber orientation in the correct order, every time. That’s to say nothing of the actual grades of carbon fiber used, or the resin that holds the fibers in place and adds toughness and durability, or the sophistication and reliability of the manufacturer’s own production process." - Frank Krygowski But that is not only applicable to carbon fiber but to all cloth - resin composite. The difference seems to be, primarily, that composite bicycle frames are built to be light in weight rather then stiff or rigid, or perhaps the term might be "strong". Having built composite things - boat hulls and fittings - for ten or so years I can assure you that a carbon fiber frame with, oh say, quarter inch thick wall thickness would be "strong enough". But of course it would also be "too heavy" :-) cheers, John B. |
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On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 7:42:29 PM UTC-8, John B. slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 09:58:32 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 7:06:50 AM UTC-5, Sir Ridesalot wrote: If you're like Tom and are thinking about buying a cheap Chinese knockoff of anything pertaining to bicycling then you might want to read this. When it comes to Chinese stuff it really is BUYER BEWARE! This guy didn't even know he was getting a Chinese counterfeit item. (The price should have warned him) https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...ake-bike-gear/ Here's one of the best parts of that article: "every carbon fiber product is a quality-control batch of one, and the finished outside shape tells you almost zero about what’s really inside. I really like that phrase "... a quality-control batch of one..." The further explanation was good, too: "A frame can have hundreds of individual sheets of carbon fiber (called plies) of varying size and shape, which are placed in the mold in specific places in a rigidly defined order (called the layup). To make matters more complex, carbon fiber is unidirectional; its stiffness and strength characteristics apply only along one axis. To preserve those characteristics, a manufacturer must get the number, shape, and size of the plies, and their fiber orientation in the correct order, every time. That’s to say nothing of the actual grades of carbon fiber used, or the resin that holds the fibers in place and adds toughness and durability, or the sophistication and reliability of the manufacturer’s own production process." - Frank Krygowski But that is not only applicable to carbon fiber but to all cloth - resin composite. The difference seems to be, primarily, that composite bicycle frames are built to be light in weight rather then stiff or rigid, or perhaps the term might be "strong". Having built composite things - boat hulls and fittings - for ten or so years I can assure you that a carbon fiber frame with, oh say, quarter inch thick wall thickness would be "strong enough". But of course it would also be "too heavy" :-) cheers, John B. The learning curve was pretty clear. They were building the early (heavy) carbon fiber bikes incorrectly and they were breaking all over the place. Those early Trek one-piece frames were famous for breaking. My Time VX weighs as much as my Basso steel bike. My Colnago C40 was much lighter than steel frames but not light by any stretch of the imagination. My present CLX is 17.5 lbs without water bottles or flat kid. My Basso Loto with bottle and kit weighs 22.5 lbs. The Pinarello 24.5 lbs. A sport rider usually carries more than that difference in weight around on his stomach. |
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On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 11:39:45 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 4:33:20 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: Tom, your conversations remind me of the phrase "trying to nail jello to a wall." Get me some real data with properly cited sources. Until then, I'm not giving credence to any of your off-the-cuff guesstimations. -- - Frank Krygowski I worked in the industry and you didn't. Wow. You've found yet another thing to be wrong about! :-) - Frank Krygowski |
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On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 12:42:29 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
You just make things up -- even when the facts are so easy to find. I don't get that. You're retired. You have all day to look things up. Is Tom retired? I thought he was just out of work. He's complained many times about people refusing to hire him. - Frank Krygowski |
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