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Bill Z. wrote:
What a liar you are, Pein. You are the person who is distorting what you are replying to. If you have nice discussions with Krygowski, it is only because you two agree with each other. Moron, I don't lie: ever. Conversing with you is the most painful experience I've had in a long time. Good bye. Wayne |
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Wayne Pein writes:
Bill Z. wrote: As I suggested to you people previously, show what is bad in the Caltrans design standards for bike lanes and why bike lanes are somehow worse than HOV lanes. The whole concept of bike lanes is bad. That said, I think they can reasonably be used on freeways. Elsewhere they are more appropriately called Bike Reservations. Pein, cut your idiotic rhetoric and show what you think is wrong with the Caltrans standards for bike lanes. You keep bringing up a comparison between bike lanes and HOV lanes. Apparently you have an inability to distinguish differences. HOV lanes are 12' wide, are used on freeways, are typically (always?) the left lane (US), are intended to allow their users to pass congestion, are not mandatory, do not collect debris, and are universally loved by their users. Bike lanes are 4' wide, are used on normal streets which is an inappropriate treatment, are typically the rightmost lane (US), are intended to allow motorists to pass bicyclists easier while sometimes stopped motorists block the bike lane, are typically mandatory (if not mandatory, motorists enforce their use anyway), collect debris, and are often despised by their intended users. Bike lanes are usually wider than 4' around here, sometimes a lot wider, are clear of debris, and are in most cases popular with "their intended users." The use of the lane is not mandatory in general, but rather simply reflects the normal "slower traffic keeps to the right" rule. The people who get as emotional as you do are very much a minority, albeit a vocal one on usenet. Also, bike lanes allow bicyclists to pass congestion whenever the congestion is so bad that a bicyclist can ride faster than normal traffic, and when that is the case, the use of the bike lane is completely optional. It is pointless to argue about it - the CVC is available on line. -- My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB |
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Wayne Pein writes:
Bill Z. wrote: Wayne Pein writes: In a 16' lane, 14' from the lane stripe is 2' from the edge of pavement. What you are is a liar. Moron, This is my last communication with you because trying to converse with you is a constantly moving target. Well, you just lied twice - your constantly moving target thing is a lie, as is your "last communication". The post I'm replying to, meesage ID , was sent at Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:03:34 -0400, but you subsequently posted another reply with message ID at Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:06:16 -0400. Care to explain how that post followed your "last communication"? :-) Your problem otherwise is that I'm simply not letting you get away with misrepresenting what I actually said, and you are finding that very awkward. -- My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB |
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Wayne Pein writes:
Bill Z. wrote: What a liar you are, Pein. You are the person who is distorting what you are replying to. If you have nice discussions with Krygowski, it is only because you two agree with each other. Moron, I don't lie: ever. Conversing with you is the most painful experience I've had in a long time. Good bye. Wayne ROTFLMAO. You claimed the post you made 3 minutes before this one was your "last communication" and now you say you don't lie? :-) I really don't care whether you consider it lying, but you have been going around repeatedly misrepresenting what I said, replying to sensible comments with infantile name calling, and otherwise behaving like a child. If you find conversing with me to be a "painful experience", it is simply because you can't handle any statement about some topics that clashes with your preconceptions. You need some professional help. Maybe you and your friend Krygowski can go in together for group therapy. -- My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB |
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On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:32:40 -0400, Wayne Pein
wrote: Bill Z. wrote: writes: Right. Despite that "system," I was definitely dodging broken glass and other trash when riding in those lanes. As usual, when riding in the parts of the city without lanes, I had no such trouble. Typical Krygowski post, and not to be believed - this guy spins everything he posts. Note the failure to name the city or provide any other relevant information, nor precisely where in this alleged city he rode. Folks, Frank Krygowski actually rides a bike, knows what he is talking about, and is a straight shooter. I point to bicyclinglife.com for many writings of Frank. Bill Zauman is a fruit cake. Wayne Seconded. Frank's experiences closely parallel mine. Pat Email address works as is. |
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On Aug 3, 6:04 pm, (Bill Z.) wrote:
writes: On Aug 3, 3:01 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: The street smart poor know that the best place to ride a bike in safety is... the sidewalk. That statement is wrong. There have been several studies that conclusively showed sidewalk cycling to be many times more dangerous than cycling in the roadway. I know of no studies that show the opposite. http://www.bicyclinglife.com/Library/Accident-Study.pdf shows that sidewalk cycling *in the same direction as traffic* has nearly the same risk as riding on the roadway. See Table 5. For all bicyclists in the study, the risk riding with traffic on the sidewalk divided by the risk of riding on the roadway is 0.9 When you break it up by age, however, you find that both the 17 and under and the 18 and over catagories have a slightly increased risk when using the sidewalk and when riding in the same direction as vehicular traffic. ... ...obviously Krygowski doesn't read the literature either as comprehensively as he'd like to pretend. :-) Bill, you're amazing. Let's look at the conclusion of the paper: "Bicyclists on a sidewalk or bicycle path incur greater risk than those on the roadway (on average 1.8 times as great), most likely because of blind conflicts at intersections. Wrong-way sidewalk bicyclists are at even greater risk, and sidewalk bicycling appears to increase the incidence of wrong-way travel." What you've done is cherry pick the data in order to make a silly argument. Even if sidewalk cycling is safe for, say, cyclists between 32 and 42 years of age, with red hair, riding slowly, in the direction of traffic, and stopping at all driveways, that's not representative of Donquijote's "street smart poor." Neither is your carefully chosen sub-group. Absent evidence of special characteristics, the best advice on riding should be based on the average data, not your sub-group. And you probably know about the Canadian study that found sidewalk cycling over 13 times as dangerous as road cycling, right? I don't think even your cherry picking is going to make that one go away. Your frequent defense of bad practices astounds me even more than your constant rudeness and your intellectual dishonesty. - Frank Krygowski |
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Bill Zaumen wrote:
"Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" writes: Bill Zaumen wrote: "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" writes: Bill Zaumen wrote: We need every smart person we can get, but you'd have to work in the area to know why. But obviously some of them are people lacking enough street smarts to know that "bicycle lanes" are unequal, second class facilities. Nice try at changing context from your silliness about India and China. Do you deny that many of the "high-tech" jobs that were supposed to replace the outsourced manufacturing jobs are also being outsourced to China, India and other low wage countries? Read what I said. Some things can't be outsourced to third-world countries, for the reasons I gave you. Those countries could, of course, catch up to us. I'll give you a hint - you won't find the 10 gigabit/second NIC cards coming out of China until they become a commodity, nor the device drivers for them (the chips typically have problems that require software 'work arounds', and you need a close collaboration between hardware and software engineers to get everything working). Various new CPUs are designed in the Bay Area and the software groups that provide OS support. You can look at SUN's recent CPUs with multiple cores and multiple threads per core as an example. In this sort of work, you have to develop the hardware and software at the same time as you need both for a finished product, so heavy use is made of simulators that allow the software to be tested before the hardware is ready, and these require an enormous amount of computation. Nothing that appears to be a insurmountable obstacle. But, your "unequal, second-class facilities" thing is simply propaganda. As I suggested to you people previously, show what is bad in the Caltrans design standards for bike lanes and why bike lanes are somehow worse than HOV lanes. Maybe Zaumen doesn't being asked to sit at the back of the bus? Maybe you can try to improve your grammar? That is an editing error, not a fundamental mistake in grammar. It's a grammar error (whether due to bad editing or not) that made the sentence completely incomprehensible. Intended sentence: Maybe Zaumen doesn't [like] being asked to sit at the back of the bus? The omission of the word "like" was a case of the brain working faster than the fingers, and not a grammar error. Duh! -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Wayne Pein wrote:
Bill Z. wrote: As I suggested to you people previously, show what is bad in the Caltrans design standards for bike lanes and why bike lanes are somehow worse than HOV lanes. The whole concept of bike lanes is bad. That said, I think they can reasonably be used on freeways. Elsewhere they are more appropriately called Bike Reservations.... Agreed. I used to live in a river divided metropolitan area, and three of the five bridges were inaccessible to cyclists since they were Interstate Highways. All such bridges should provide a physically separated path for cyclists and pedestrians, unless there is another bridge close by. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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