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On Jul 29, 7:15*am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"Qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote in ... On Jul 27, 11:01 am, Tom Sherman wrote: aka Andres Muro wrote: There are a couple of guys that ride recumbents and show up to up to our weekend rides occasionally. One of them would never be able to keep up with our group and the other could on regular bikes. With recumbents they keep up with the group without problems. One of them takes pulls at 25+ mile per hour without braking a sweat. On flats, recumbents transform average cyclists into animals. The lower the recumbents the faster these guys become. One has a very low racing recumbents and he built an aero contraption in the back. He goes really fast in that apparatus and because he is very low, it is hard to draft him. He makes a great training partner. It's sort of like motor pacing. On hills, he slows down quite a bit though. It is not just the weight. His racing recumbent is not that heavy. For the sake of argument, let us assume that that a particular recumbent is 20% faster on the flats and equal on the climbs to the group members' uprights. If the recumbent rider is just the equal of the group on the flats, that means he is a considerably weaker rider, so it is no wonder he gets dropped on the hills. What is being demonstrated is not the poor climbing ability of the recumbent (which is typically the false conclusion made by the upright riders), but rather its performance advantage on flatter terrain. "For the sake of argument"..boy, that speaks volumes......... There is no recumbent that is 20% faster than an upright on the flats everything else being equal. At best, it is possible that a recumbent will be only ever so slightly faster than an upright on the flats, but even that is debatable. What is not debatable is how freaking slow they are climbing hills, even small hills. Case closed as far as I am concerned. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota I guess that sound is the my point whizzing over you head |
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:09:35 GMT, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote: On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:52:13 -0500, Ben C wrote: If recumbents weren't better why would they be banned? Just because. UCI bikes at least mean that all the bikes are pretty much the same, they handle much the same, they crash much the same. Useful when you have a 180 of cyclists. Imagine a racing peleton of 180 bents, high and low racers and all the variations. The dynamics would be "interesting". Not to mention the expanded neutral support complications. |
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"Ben C" wrote in message
... On 2008-07-29, Tom Kunich cyclintom@yahoo wrote: "Tom Sherman" wrote in message ... Whats up with bringing off-road cycling into the discussion? Lost track of which thread I was in. Nevertheless it is perfectly fine in my book to try to race the Tour de France with a recumbent. Just try to ride down those Alps roads fast enough to make up for the time lost on the climb. If recumbents weren't better why would they be banned? Because they're dangerous around uprights in a pack? |
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"Zebee Johnstone" wrote in message
... If the bikes aren't good enough then no one would choose them. Some sorts of recumbents are fast on flats and downhills. But they are dangerous in a close pack and they are slow up hills. |
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"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
... How many paved roads are steep enough to slow an average rider down to 2-mph? Almost none. Then complete the deathride on your recumbent and we'll talk. |
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"Qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote in message
... On Jul 27, 11:01 am, Tom Sherman wrote: For the sake of argument, let us assume that that a particular recumbent is 20% faster on the flats and equal on the climbs to the group members' uprights. "For the sake of argument"..boy, that speaks volumes......... You have that one dead centered. |
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Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
On Jul 29, 7:15 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote: There is no recumbent that is 20% faster than an upright on the flats everything else being equal. At best, it is possible that a recumbent will be only ever so slightly faster than an upright on the flats, but even that is debatable. What is not debatable is how freaking slow they are climbing hills, even small hills. Case closed as far as I am concerned. I guess that sound is the my point whizzing over you head Ed was never one to let things like mere facts confuse him... However, if he bothered to look at the UCI hour record and the IHPVA hour record he'd find a lot more than 20% difference. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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"Peter Clinch" wrote in message ... Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Jul 29, 7:15 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote: There is no recumbent that is 20% faster than an upright on the flats everything else being equal. At best, it is possible that a recumbent will be only ever so slightly faster than an upright on the flats, but even that is debatable. What is not debatable is how freaking slow they are climbing hills, even small hills. Case closed as far as I am concerned. I guess that sound is the my point whizzing over you head Ed was never one to let things like mere facts confuse him... However, if he bothered to look at the UCI hour record and the IHPVA hour record he'd find a lot more than 20% difference. Pete. Now _that's_ mixing apples and oranges. What is the _unfaired_ recumbent hour record? |
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"Peter Clinch" wrote in message
... However, if he bothered to look at the UCI hour record and the IHPVA hour record he'd find a lot more than 20% difference. If you'd like to get one of the recumbent hour record bikes and race me on my upright over a course of my choosing you could certainly demonstrate that 20% difference. |
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Tom Kunich wrote:
"Peter Clinch" wrote in message ... However, if he bothered to look at the UCI hour record and the IHPVA hour record he'd find a lot more than 20% difference. If you'd like to get one of the recumbent hour record bikes and race me on my upright over a course of my choosing you could certainly demonstrate that 20% difference. OTOH, why don't you look at the end to end record in the UK, over 800 miles on real roads. The record is held on a faired recumbent, the holder beat his own upright record by almost 10%. certainly a useful margin. But Ed's point was under any circumstances, not just of your choosing. And, as he so often is, he was wrong. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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