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ANOTHER Dead Mountain Biker
On Mar 1, 7:52 pm, "Bill Sornson" wrote:
tom wrote: {4-5 screens of old, senseless blather DELETED} It's best to just ignore the troll, don'tcha know. Sorry for all the crossposting, folks. It's also best to TRIM YOUR POSTS -- especially the needless ones. HTH, BS Again, sorry. All I see when posting is "show quoted text". But the crux of the biscuit remains: Ignore Vandeman! Tom |
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ANOTHER Dead Mountain Biker
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:31:36 -0800 (PST),
wrote: On 1 Mar, 20:28, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:17:33 -0800 (PST), Chris wrote: On Feb 28, 9:19 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:53:10 -0800 (PST), Chris I have made this point in the past only to have Mike dispute it. It seems his memory is selective and short. Because it is not valid. DUH! Your point is the one which is not valid Mike. You are not using science to demonstrate that "mountain biking" (be it the type of bicycle, type of riding, or the industry which makes mountain bikes) killed anyone in any of the examples that I have seen you post here, but instead your personal bias. There is no cause based effect, which resulted in any of the deaths or injuries that you have posted which are attributable to "mountain biking". It's roughly akin to saying that it is the fault of the vehicle type which resulted in someone's injury or death without looking at road/off road conditions, other vehicles, weather conditions, health conditions, maintenance history of the vehicles involved, piloting abilities of the driver(s)/rider(s) involved, or any other mitigating circumstances. Warning: Improbable, but relevant comparison ahead with bad humor, my personal bias against SUVs, and personal adoration of steamrollers. "Grr! An SUV just ran over my dog after hitting some ice, jumping a curb, and crashing through my living room wall where my dog was crated, therefore SUVs kill animals. Cars and steamrollers would have never run over my dog if the driver had seen it, the road was dry, they were driving 5 MPH, and we were 100 feet away! Damn you SUVs!" If there is anyone avoiding any resemblance to scientific analysis, and blatant disregard of the facts at hand, it is you Mike. Chris “I would like to dedicate this post to the amusement of others, and my own ego! I never thought we could make it this far without either of you! Thank to so much!” Are you claiming that people never die from mountain biking? Where is your evidence? -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I never claimed that no one has ever died from mountain biking. i note that on your list of interests you cite hiking is something you enjoy. has anyone ever died from hiking? i would presume they have so would you like to ban hiking as a hobby?by your reasoning because people have accidents and or die whilst hiking it is inherently dangerous or at the very least unhealthy Your logic is faulty. Hiking is healthy. It's what we evolved to do over millions of years. It is obviously MUCH less dangerous than mountain biking. I'm not suggesting banning mountain biking because it's dangerous TO THE MOUNTAIN BIKER, only because it's dangerous to wildlife and other trail users, UNLIKE HIKING. -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:07:54 -0800 (PST), Kayak44
wrote: On Mar 1, 3:28*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:17:33 -0800 (PST), Chris wrote: On Feb 28, 9:19 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:53:10 -0800 (PST), Chris I have made this point in the past only to have Mike dispute it. It seems his memory is selective and short. Because it is not valid. DUH! Your point is the one which is not valid Mike. You are not using science to demonstrate that "mountain biking" (be it the type of bicycle, type of riding, or the industry which makes mountain bikes) killed anyone in any of the examples that I have seen you post here, but instead your personal bias. There is no cause based effect, which resulted in any of the deaths or injuries that you have posted which are attributable to "mountain biking". It's roughly akin to saying that it is the fault of the vehicle type which resulted in someone's injury or death without looking at road/off road conditions, other vehicles, weather conditions, health conditions, maintenance history of the vehicles involved, piloting abilities of the driver(s)/rider(s) involved, or any other mitigating circumstances. Warning: Improbable, but relevant comparison ahead with bad humor, my personal bias against SUVs, and personal adoration of steamrollers. "Grr! An SUV just ran over my dog after hitting some ice, jumping a curb, and crashing through my living room wall where my dog was crated, therefore SUVs kill animals. Cars and steamrollers would have never run over my dog if the driver had seen it, the road was dry, they were driving 5 MPH, and we were 100 feet away! Damn you SUVs!" If there is anyone avoiding any resemblance to scientific analysis, and blatant disregard of the facts at hand, it is you Mike. Chris “I would like to dedicate this post to the amusement of others, and my own ego! I never thought we could make it this far without either of you! Thank to so much!” Are you claiming that people never die from mountain biking? Where is your evidence? -- Where's your evidence that anyone has died FROM mountain-biking? Google "dead mountain biker" in the newsgroups. Some of them are bound to be obvious. It's really silly to ask, it's so obvious. -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:12:03 -0800 (PST), Kayak44
wrote: On Feb 26, 10:58*am, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:49:03 -0800 (PST), Kayak44 wrote: On Feb 25, 10:51*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote: Evolution at work.... So much for the ALLEGED health benefits of mountain biking.... Mike http://www.thespectrum.com/article/2...RIES/902250302 Paul David Navar February 25, 2009 *Buzz up! ST. GEORGE - Paul David Navar, M.D. was a young 52 when he passed away in St. George, Utah on Saturday, February 21st. Paul passed away enjoying an activity he loved, bicycling. He was found at the top of Chuck-walla Trail, surrounded by beautiful red rocks, with the view of Pine Valley Mountain in the background. Paul did not die in an accident; he rode to the top of the mountain, dismounted his bicycle, grabbed his water bottle, and laid back to take in the view. This was where Paul went peacefully, and if he could have chosen how he would go, this would have been it. Paul was born September 27, 1956 in El Paso, Texas to Macedonio and Julianne Navar. The oldest of seven, his favorite phrase was "Mom and Dad have loved me the longest." As his five younger sisters grew into beautiful women, Paul became the protective, older brother. He was a star athlete at his high school, and it is there where he met his future wife, Marsha Sales. Paul went on to Stanford University where he played football his freshman and sophomore year. He graduated in three years on January 5, 1978, with a Bachelor of Science. Paul was then accepted to Southwestern Medical School. While in medical school, he married his wonderful wife, Marsha, on June 20, 1980. He graduated in the top 10%, and was a member of the Alpha Omega Alpha medical honor society. In 1982, he and his wife moved to Salt Lake City to complete his residency at the University of Utah, where he received the outstanding intern award. It was there that his first son, Jon Paul, was born. When Paul completed his residency, he moved back to El Paso where he became the director of two major emergency rooms. While in El Paso he welcomed his second son, Kirk, and his little angel, Allison. In 1999, Paul moved his family to St. George, Utah where he opened his own practice in Age Management Medicine. Paul had many hobbies. He would strive to become the best at one and then would move on to the next. He was an expert golfer, tennis player, hiker, pilot, heli-skier, rappeller, dirt biker, geocacher, and mountain biker. He was the best husband, father, son and brother. Paul was also a bit of a nerd. He enjoyed coin and rock collecting, chess and reading. Paul was a brilliant, athletic, healthy, handsome, happy man. Just like Clark Kent, my daddy was "Superman!" -- Sounds like a great guy, the kind of person Michaen J. Vandeman hates. I'll bet that part about Paul being a father is especially hard for Mike to take being as Synanon forced him to get his ball sack snipped. As usual, mountain bikers have no idea what they are talking about. For them, LYING takes the place of communication. Good for mountain-bikers, but let's not stray from what Synanon forced you to do. Unless you were there, you have no idea what you are talking about. I've never been "forced" to do anything in my life. -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:14:10 -0800 (PST), tom wrote:
On Mar 1, 7:52 pm, "Bill Sornson" wrote: tom wrote: {4-5 screens of old, senseless blather DELETED} It's best to just ignore the troll, don'tcha know. Sorry for all the crossposting, folks. It's also best to TRIM YOUR POSTS -- especially the needless ones. HTH, BS Again, sorry. All I see when posting is "show quoted text". But the crux of the biscuit remains: Ignore Vandeman! Tom Too bad mountain bikers don't listen to ANYONE, even fellow mountain bikers. -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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ANOTHER Dead Mountain Biker
at the time he died we just had lunch and we were sorting his chain
which had broken so DR Vandeman was it the lunch or mending his chain that killed him? You are obviously not interested in getting to the truth, or you wouldn't ask such a stupid question. You are completely incapable of accepting any truth that contradicts your assumptions. It was an obviously rhetorical question, you simpering ass-hat. Since this gentleman was there and you were not, why is it that you cannot simply admit your mistake? This is yet another example of how delusional you are. You are representative of the group of morons who believe that stating something repeatedly makes it true. In fact, you might be their leader. |
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On Mar 1, 10:40*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:12:03 -0800 (PST), Kayak44 wrote: On Feb 26, 10:58*am, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:49:03 -0800 (PST), Kayak44 wrote: On Feb 25, 10:51*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote: Evolution at work.... So much for the ALLEGED health benefits of mountain biking.... Mike http://www.thespectrum.com/article/2...RIES/902250302 Paul David Navar February 25, 2009 *Buzz up! ST. GEORGE - Paul David Navar, M.D. was a young 52 when he passed away in St. George, Utah on Saturday, February 21st. Paul passed away enjoying an activity he loved, bicycling. He was found at the top of Chuck-walla Trail, surrounded by beautiful red rocks, with the view of Pine Valley Mountain in the background. Paul did not die in an accident; he rode to the top of the mountain, dismounted his bicycle, grabbed his water bottle, and laid back to take in the view. This was where Paul went peacefully, and if he could have chosen how he would go, this would have been it. Paul was born September 27, 1956 in El Paso, Texas to Macedonio and Julianne Navar. The oldest of seven, his favorite phrase was "Mom and Dad have loved me the longest." As his five younger sisters grew into beautiful women, Paul became the protective, older brother. He was a star athlete at his high school, and it is there where he met his future wife, Marsha Sales. Paul went on to Stanford University where he played football his freshman and sophomore year. He graduated in three years on January 5, 1978, with a Bachelor of Science. Paul was then accepted to Southwestern Medical School. While in medical school, he married his wonderful wife, Marsha, on June 20, 1980. He graduated in the top 10%, and was a member of the Alpha Omega Alpha medical honor society. In 1982, he and his wife moved to Salt Lake City to complete his residency at the University of Utah, where he received the outstanding intern award. It was there that his first son, Jon Paul, was born. When Paul completed his residency, he moved back to El Paso where he became the director of two major emergency rooms. While in El Paso he welcomed his second son, Kirk, and his little angel, Allison. In 1999, Paul moved his family to St. George, Utah where he opened his own practice in Age Management Medicine. Paul had many hobbies. He would strive to become the best at one and then would move on to the next.. He was an expert golfer, tennis player, hiker, pilot, heli-skier, rappeller, dirt biker, geocacher, and mountain biker. He was the best husband, father, son and brother. Paul was also a bit of a nerd. He enjoyed coin and rock collecting, chess and reading. Paul was a brilliant, athletic, healthy, handsome, happy man. Just like Clark Kent, my daddy was "Superman!" -- Sounds like a great guy, the kind of person Michaen J. Vandeman hates.. I'll bet that part about Paul being a father is especially hard for Mike to take being as Synanon forced him to get his ball sack snipped.. As usual, mountain bikers have no idea what they are talking about. For them, LYING takes the place of communication. Good for mountain-bikers, but let's not stray from what Synanon forced you to do. Unless you were there, you have no idea what you are talking about. I've never been "forced" to do anything in my life. You have no idea as to whether I was there or not. |
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On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:53:56 -0800 (PST), Kayak44
wrote: On Mar 1, 10:40*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:12:03 -0800 (PST), Kayak44 wrote: On Feb 26, 10:58*am, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:49:03 -0800 (PST), Kayak44 wrote: On Feb 25, 10:51*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote: Evolution at work.... So much for the ALLEGED health benefits of mountain biking.... Mike http://www.thespectrum.com/article/2...RIES/902250302 Paul David Navar February 25, 2009 *Buzz up! ST. GEORGE - Paul David Navar, M.D. was a young 52 when he passed away in St. George, Utah on Saturday, February 21st. Paul passed away enjoying an activity he loved, bicycling. He was found at the top of Chuck-walla Trail, surrounded by beautiful red rocks, with the view of Pine Valley Mountain in the background. Paul did not die in an accident; he rode to the top of the mountain, dismounted his bicycle, grabbed his water bottle, and laid back to take in the view. This was where Paul went peacefully, and if he could have chosen how he would go, this would have been it. Paul was born September 27, 1956 in El Paso, Texas to Macedonio and Julianne Navar. The oldest of seven, his favorite phrase was "Mom and Dad have loved me the longest." As his five younger sisters grew into beautiful women, Paul became the protective, older brother. He was a star athlete at his high school, and it is there where he met his future wife, Marsha Sales. Paul went on to Stanford University where he played football his freshman and sophomore year. He graduated in three years on January 5, 1978, with a Bachelor of Science. Paul was then accepted to Southwestern Medical School. While in medical school, he married his wonderful wife, Marsha, on June 20, 1980. He graduated in the top 10%, and was a member of the Alpha Omega Alpha medical honor society. In 1982, he and his wife moved to Salt Lake City to complete his residency at the University of Utah, where he received the outstanding intern award. It was there that his first son, Jon Paul, was born. When Paul completed his residency, he moved back to El Paso where he became the director of two major emergency rooms. While in El Paso he welcomed his second son, Kirk, and his little angel, Allison. In 1999, Paul moved his family to St. George, Utah where he opened his own practice in Age Management Medicine. Paul had many hobbies. He would strive to become the best at one and then would move on to the next. He was an expert golfer, tennis player, hiker, pilot, heli-skier, rappeller, dirt biker, geocacher, and mountain biker. He was the best husband, father, son and brother. Paul was also a bit of a nerd. He enjoyed coin and rock collecting, chess and reading. Paul was a brilliant, athletic, healthy, handsome, happy man. Just like Clark Kent, my daddy was "Superman!" -- Sounds like a great guy, the kind of person Michaen J. Vandeman hates. I'll bet that part about Paul being a father is especially hard for Mike to take being as Synanon forced him to get his ball sack snipped. As usual, mountain bikers have no idea what they are talking about. For them, LYING takes the place of communication. Good for mountain-bikers, but let's not stray from what Synanon forced you to do. Unless you were there, you have no idea what you are talking about. I've never been "forced" to do anything in my life. You have no idea as to whether I was there or not. Yes, I do. I know all of the people who were there, none of whom is you. -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:27:07 -0700, "Moi-aussi" wrote:
at the time he died we just had lunch and we were sorting his chain which had broken so DR Vandeman was it the lunch or mending his chain that killed him? You are obviously not interested in getting to the truth, or you wouldn't ask such a stupid question. You are completely incapable of accepting any truth that contradicts your assumptions. WHAT "truth"? He hasn't presented any. Mountain bikers are INCAPABLE of that. It was an obviously rhetorical question, you simpering ass-hat. Since this gentleman was there and you were not, why is it that you cannot simply admit your mistake? This is yet another example of how delusional you are. You are representative of the group of morons who believe that stating something repeatedly makes it true. In fact, you might be their leader. -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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