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  #61  
Old July 31st 17, 08:02 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Joerg[_2_]
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On 2017-07-31 11:31, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 10:34:00 AM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt
wrote:
Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu, 27
Jul 2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

: Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles.

:When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten
miles.

Jay's a camel.

Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take more
than two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a bike, I
don't go into the store and ask for an '80s Euro-sport bike with
a rack so I can haul gallons of water on a day ride.

Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle
bosses and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were riding
trails in the middle of nowhere, I might consider a camel back or
some other option, but I'm not. I'm never that far from water on
a day ride.



http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide



Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one
extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the
bike".

Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at the
upper end of the water requirement scale. So there.

Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store in
Portland :-)

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


That's NUTS! They're teling you that you have to drink an 8 ounces
cup (250 ml) of liquid every FIFTEEN minutes! That's if you use the
smaller 16 0unces capacity NOT the 24 ounces sizes. 2 x 16 = 32
ounces divided by 8 = 4 and 1 hour devided by 4 is 15 minutes. If you
use two 24 ounces bottles you have 48 ounces divided by 4 = 12 ounces
evey fifteen minutes which is 1.5 cups per quarter hour.

Gads at that rate for a 4 hour + ride you'd dang near need a trailer
just for your liquids!


Over 4-5h of hard MTB riding on a 95-100F day I find that 1-1/2 gallons
of liquids is adequate. But not less than that. I could have used more
but that's all I had on the bike.

I have met plenty of people on trails who thought like you, that this
was ridiculous and all that. They did not look too well healthwise and
sometimes I gave them one of my bottles. In one case almost all my water
because the guy appeared close to heading towards the eternal trails.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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  #62  
Old July 31st 17, 08:09 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2017-07-31 11:53, Duane wrote:
On 31/07/2017 2:31 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 10:34:00 AM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt wrote:
Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu, 27 Jul
2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote:

: Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles.

:When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten miles.

Jay's a camel.

Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take more than
two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a bike, I don't go
into the store and ask for an '80s Euro-sport bike with a rack so I
can haul gallons of water on a day ride.

Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle bosses
and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were riding trails in
the middle of nowhere, I might consider a camel back or some other
option, but I'm not. I'm never that far from water on a day ride.



http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide


Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one
extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the bike".

Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at the upper
end of the water requirement scale. So there.

Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store in
Portland :-)

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


That's NUTS! They're teling you that you have to drink an 8 ounces cup
(250 ml) of liquid every FIFTEEN minutes! That's if you use the
smaller 16 0unces capacity NOT the 24 ounces sizes. 2 x 16 = 32 ounces
divided by 8 = 4 and 1 hour devided by 4 is 15 minutes. If you use two
24 ounces bottles you have 48 ounces divided by 4 = 12 ounces evey
fifteen minutes which is 1.5 cups per quarter hour.

Gads at that rate for a 4 hour + ride you'd dang near need a trailer
just for your liquids!

Cheers


They must mean 1- 16 - 24oz bottle of water OR energy drink per hour. I
did a bit over 100k yesterday and had to fill my 2 24oz water bottles at
the midway point. Average speed was about 29k/h and it was a bit muggy
but not excessively hot. Not much wind and probably 500m of ascent so
not a particularly tough ride. 4 bottles was plenty. I can't imagine
drinking twice that much liquid. Maybe if I was climbing in the Alps or
something.



Aside form the hilliness it depends on what "not excessively hot" means.
For folks in Arizona that can mean anything under 105F. In Alaska they
consider a 30F days a scorcher.

Where I live we can have weeks of 100F+ weather, like right now. Most
people simply stop riding during that time just like they do when it's
below freezing. I don't. The amount of sweat is so enormous that I need
two head bands of the extra-wide kind. They get swapped out every
10-20mi, with the wet one being wrung out and then hung onto a strap of
a pannier. Meaning nobody would draft me unless they carried a nose
clamp :-)

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
  #63  
Old July 31st 17, 08:21 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Joerg[_2_]
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On 2017-07-31 11:53, wrote:
On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 11:00:33 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-29 18:33, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 07:34:09 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt
wrote:
Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu, 27
Jul 2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

: Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles.

:When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten
miles.

Jay's a camel.

Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take
more than two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a
bike, I don't go into the store and ask for an '80s
Euro-sport bike with a rack so I can haul gallons of water on
a day ride.

Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle
bosses and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were
riding trails in the middle of nowhere, I might consider a
camel back or some other option, but I'm not. I'm never that
far from water on a day ride.



http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide



Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one
extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the
bike".

Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at
the upper end of the water requirement scale. So there.

Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store in
Portland :-)

Your equation doesn't mention OAT which is critical to the
body's water usage. If one were riding in the Mojave desert on
the 4th of July your liquid requirement wouldn't be sufficient
and if in Nome on Christmas day it would be overkill.



It's not my equation, it is recommended by sports medicine guys and
they know a thing or two about dehydration. I assume they
calculated for heavy riding where you pump out close to as much as
your body will give at the current weather conditions. Note they
say "per hour", not "per xx miles".

For example, in summer I need almost 1/2h longer for one of my 4h
MTB loops because else I just start panting too much. In winter I
ride faster and that makes me pant and sweat just as much, and
consequently, drink just as much water. I'f I'd ride at the same
slower speed in winter I'd need much less water and sometimes I do
that. For example, when I just want to get out there to sit and
think about a difficult engineering task. Then I also take less in
fluids along.


I'm not really sure that they do. After all, dehydration that they're
talking about isn't from being out in the sun and wind but from
riding at or near maximum effort. I am showing no deleterious effects
from riding pretty long distances at moderate paces without much in
the way of hydration.


Sometimes the effects of dehydration aren't felt immediately but damage
can still be done, also longterm damage.

http://www.bicycling.com/training/hy...or-avoiding-it

Arizonans take that topic really seriously:

http://healthyliving.azcentral.com/c...tion-4487.html

Quote "If you're planning to ride over 25 miles, begin drinking fluids
the night before. If you need to get out of bed to urinate once or twice
during the night, your body should be sufficiently hydrated".

I don't quite go that far :-)

Their recommendation of 4 to 8 ounces every 15 minutes is a bit on the
low side. For example, while hiking rocky terrain in the Superstition
Mountains east of Phoenix we needed a whole lot more than that.

Dehydration is a very common cause of serious healtyh problems in
elderly people. When they are asked they respond "But I am not thirsty".
Thirst is not a good indicator because that can come a bit late in the
dehydration process.

My main hydration point on yesterday's ride was this:

http://edhbrewing.com/about-us.html

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
  #64  
Old July 31st 17, 08:33 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Duane[_3_]
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On 31/07/2017 3:09 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-31 11:53, Duane wrote:
On 31/07/2017 2:31 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 10:34:00 AM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt wrote:
Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu, 27 Jul
2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote:

: Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles.

:When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten miles.

Jay's a camel.

Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take more than
two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a bike, I don't go
into the store and ask for an '80s Euro-sport bike with a rack so I
can haul gallons of water on a day ride.

Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle bosses
and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were riding trails in
the middle of nowhere, I might consider a camel back or some other
option, but I'm not. I'm never that far from water on a day ride.



http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide



Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one
extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the bike".

Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at the upper
end of the water requirement scale. So there.

Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store in
Portland :-)

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

That's NUTS! They're teling you that you have to drink an 8 ounces cup
(250 ml) of liquid every FIFTEEN minutes! That's if you use the
smaller 16 0unces capacity NOT the 24 ounces sizes. 2 x 16 = 32 ounces
divided by 8 = 4 and 1 hour devided by 4 is 15 minutes. If you use two
24 ounces bottles you have 48 ounces divided by 4 = 12 ounces evey
fifteen minutes which is 1.5 cups per quarter hour.

Gads at that rate for a 4 hour + ride you'd dang near need a trailer
just for your liquids!

Cheers


They must mean 1- 16 - 24oz bottle of water OR energy drink per hour. I
did a bit over 100k yesterday and had to fill my 2 24oz water bottles at
the midway point. Average speed was about 29k/h and it was a bit muggy
but not excessively hot. Not much wind and probably 500m of ascent so
not a particularly tough ride. 4 bottles was plenty. I can't imagine
drinking twice that much liquid. Maybe if I was climbing in the Alps or
something.



Aside form the hilliness it depends on what "not excessively hot" means.
For folks in Arizona that can mean anything under 105F. In Alaska they
consider a 30F days a scorcher.

Where I live we can have weeks of 100F+ weather, like right now. Most
people simply stop riding during that time just like they do when it's
below freezing. I don't. The amount of sweat is so enormous that I need
two head bands of the extra-wide kind. They get swapped out every
10-20mi, with the wet one being wrung out and then hung onto a strap of
a pannier. Meaning nobody would draft me unless they carried a nose
clamp :-)


Coming from New Orleans, I rarely find it excessively hot in
Quebec/Ontario.

But I think it has more to do with the amount of energy you expend than
with the temperature. I can use more water on a cold day riding flat
out than on a hot day taking it easy.

Anyway I don't ride like you do or where you do so I am not telling you
what to do. If you think you need to carry 55 gallon drums of water, go
for it.
  #65  
Old July 31st 17, 08:33 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Sir Ridesalot
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On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 3:02:16 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-31 11:31, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 10:34:00 AM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt
wrote:
Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu, 27
Jul 2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

: Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles.

:When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten
miles.

Jay's a camel.

Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take more
than two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a bike, I
don't go into the store and ask for an '80s Euro-sport bike with
a rack so I can haul gallons of water on a day ride.

Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle
bosses and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were riding
trails in the middle of nowhere, I might consider a camel back or
some other option, but I'm not. I'm never that far from water on
a day ride.



http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide



Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one
extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the
bike".

Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at the
upper end of the water requirement scale. So there.

Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store in
Portland :-)

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


That's NUTS! They're teling you that you have to drink an 8 ounces
cup (250 ml) of liquid every FIFTEEN minutes! That's if you use the
smaller 16 0unces capacity NOT the 24 ounces sizes. 2 x 16 = 32
ounces divided by 8 = 4 and 1 hour devided by 4 is 15 minutes. If you
use two 24 ounces bottles you have 48 ounces divided by 4 = 12 ounces
evey fifteen minutes which is 1.5 cups per quarter hour.

Gads at that rate for a 4 hour + ride you'd dang near need a trailer
just for your liquids!


Over 4-5h of hard MTB riding on a 95-100F day I find that 1-1/2 gallons
of liquids is adequate. But not less than that. I could have used more
but that's all I had on the bike.

I have met plenty of people on trails who thought like you, that this
was ridiculous and all that. They did not look too well healthwise and
sometimes I gave them one of my bottles. In one case almost all my water
because the guy appeared close to heading towards the eternal trails.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


Someone on the verge of heat exhaustion or heat stroke is NOT going to be able to exercise after drinking just one 16 ounces bottle of water or energy drink. To give such a person water or energy drink and then leave them is irresponsible.

Cheers
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Old July 31st 17, 08:35 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 2:56:45 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-31 11:37, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 2:00:33 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: Snipped
Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water,
plus one extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour
on the bike".

Snipped
It's not my equation, it is recommended by sports medicine guys and
they know a thing or two about dehydration. I assume they
calculated for heavy riding where you pump out close to as much as
your body will give at the current weather conditions. Note they
say "per hour", not "per xx miles".


The same sports medicine guys who used to recomend that runners and
other athletes drink so much water during exercise that some runners
and athletes died of hyponatremia or water intoxication.

Or are those sports medicine guys getting a kickback from the energy
drink people?


Performance Bike getting kickbacks from energy drink people? Sometimes I
wonder just what you are smoking.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


Well there Joerg, that's fine. I thappen to think thatthe vast majority of your posts/claims are bull**** trolling.

Cheers
  #67  
Old July 31st 17, 09:09 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 10:53:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-29 17:43, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 7:34:00 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt
wrote:
Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu, 27
Jul 2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

: Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles.

:When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten
miles.

Jay's a camel.

Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take more
than two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a bike, I
don't go into the store and ask for an '80s Euro-sport bike with
a rack so I can haul gallons of water on a day ride.

Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle
bosses and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were riding
trails in the middle of nowhere, I might consider a camel back or
some other option, but I'm not. I'm never that far from water on
a day ride.



http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide



Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one
extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the
bike".

Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at the
upper end of the water requirement scale. So there.

Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store in
Portland :-)


There used to be three Performance stores in Portand, but they closed
the one downtown -- the only one close to my work or home.

So, reading that prescription, do I have to carry eight bottles for a
four hour ride?



Certainly so in hot weather. If you carry much less and have no re-fill
options you could be causing damage to your body.


... Wow, I better start buying cages and hose clamps. Or
I could just stop every hour and fill up my bottles -- assuming I
needed all that fluid. Hmmmmmm.


I need that much fluid when it's around 100F out there like right now.
Yesterday's ride was only 20mi in hilly terrain and I consumed about
70oz of water plys 16oz of electrolyte.

Ok, plus two pints at a brewpub :-)


I did a 30 mile loop this afternoon -- nothing terrible because I'm
expecting to get throttled by some friends tomorrow. Temperature was
low-mid 80s -- blue skies, low wind. A gorgeous day. I went through
one 21oz bottle, and there is still some water sloshing around in the
bottle.



Unless you rode really slowly that wasn't healthy even without much sun.



Well, I felt good enough to go out yesterday for a 55 mile ride with about 20 miles of steady or rolling hills, during which time I drank one 24oz bottle of Hammer Heed and a quarter of a 21oz bottle of water -- plus a Cliff Bar. I went early and temperatures were mild, and except for the return trip down HWY 30, I was often under tree cover. http://www.sahdpdx.com/wp-content/up...highway_30.jpg

You complain about your drivers, I was on this road: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fzwm4m3ZFI (although it was sunny and nice). It was pretty empty early morning, so no urban race-car drivers. First climb of the day is four miles of mostly gravel. http://www.rubbertotheroad.com/ride-...de_36/36_3.jpg It's like being in the Hobbit kingdom.

If it were blistering hot (i.e. Thursday is predicted to be 107), I would have consumed much more water, and I would have stopped to refill. The center section of the ride doesn't have anywhere to stop (unless I tapped someone's hosebib), but there are spots elsewhere, and the last eight miles home are through the city -- basically my commute route plus a few miles. If I were so inclined, I could go to a half-dozen brew pubs, including the new Breakside in NW. Their IPA is first-rate. However, I prefer not to ride home after drinking beer.

I felt way better than I should have coming home, I think because of the HEED -- and a tail wind. Drinking for recovery is just as important as drinking on the bike, so I had a beer after getting home -- and then mowed the lawn. That was hard! I drank 120oz of water!

-- Jay Beattie.


  #68  
Old July 31st 17, 09:21 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Duane[_3_]
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On 31/07/2017 4:09 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 10:53:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-29 17:43, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 7:34:00 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt
wrote:
Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu, 27
Jul 2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

: Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles.

:When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten
miles.

Jay's a camel.

Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take more
than two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a bike, I
don't go into the store and ask for an '80s Euro-sport bike with
a rack so I can haul gallons of water on a day ride.

Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle
bosses and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were riding
trails in the middle of nowhere, I might consider a camel back or
some other option, but I'm not. I'm never that far from water on
a day ride.



http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide



Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one
extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the
bike".

Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at the
upper end of the water requirement scale. So there.

Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store in
Portland :-)

There used to be three Performance stores in Portand, but they closed
the one downtown -- the only one close to my work or home.

So, reading that prescription, do I have to carry eight bottles for a
four hour ride?



Certainly so in hot weather. If you carry much less and have no re-fill
options you could be causing damage to your body.


... Wow, I better start buying cages and hose clamps. Or
I could just stop every hour and fill up my bottles -- assuming I
needed all that fluid. Hmmmmmm.


I need that much fluid when it's around 100F out there like right now.
Yesterday's ride was only 20mi in hilly terrain and I consumed about
70oz of water plys 16oz of electrolyte.

Ok, plus two pints at a brewpub :-)


I did a 30 mile loop this afternoon -- nothing terrible because I'm
expecting to get throttled by some friends tomorrow. Temperature was
low-mid 80s -- blue skies, low wind. A gorgeous day. I went through
one 21oz bottle, and there is still some water sloshing around in the
bottle.



Unless you rode really slowly that wasn't healthy even without much sun.



Well, I felt good enough to go out yesterday for a 55 mile ride with about 20 miles of steady or rolling hills, during which time I drank one 24oz bottle of Hammer Heed and a quarter of a 21oz bottle of water -- plus a Cliff Bar. I went early and temperatures were mild, and except for the return trip down HWY 30, I was often under tree cover. http://www.sahdpdx.com/wp-content/up...highway_30.jpg

You complain about your drivers, I was on this road: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fzwm4m3ZFI (although it was sunny and nice). It was pretty empty early morning, so no urban race-car drivers. First climb of the day is four miles of mostly gravel. http://www.rubbertotheroad.com/ride-...de_36/36_3.jpg It's like being in the Hobbit kingdom.

If it were blistering hot (i.e. Thursday is predicted to be 107), I would have consumed much more water, and I would have stopped to refill. The center section of the ride doesn't have anywhere to stop (unless I tapped someone's hosebib), but there are spots elsewhere, and the last eight miles home are through the city -- basically my commute route plus a few miles. If I were so inclined, I could go to a half-dozen brew pubs, including the new Breakside in NW. Their IPA is first-rate. However, I prefer not to ride home after drinking beer.

I felt way better than I should have coming home, I think because of the HEED -- and a tail wind. Drinking for recovery is just as important as drinking on the bike, so I had a beer after getting home -- and then mowed the lawn. That was hard! I drank 120oz of water!

-- Jay Beattie.



Hammer Heed is good stuff. For cutting the lawn after the trick is to
be able to manager the mower with one hand leaving one free for the beer.
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Old July 31st 17, 09:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
JBeattie
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On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 12:02:16 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-31 11:31, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 10:34:00 AM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt
wrote:
Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu, 27
Jul 2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

: Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles.

:When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten
miles.

Jay's a camel.

Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take more
than two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a bike, I
don't go into the store and ask for an '80s Euro-sport bike with
a rack so I can haul gallons of water on a day ride.

Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle
bosses and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were riding
trails in the middle of nowhere, I might consider a camel back or
some other option, but I'm not. I'm never that far from water on
a day ride.



http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide



Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one
extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the
bike".

Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at the
upper end of the water requirement scale. So there.

Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store in
Portland :-)

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


That's NUTS! They're teling you that you have to drink an 8 ounces
cup (250 ml) of liquid every FIFTEEN minutes! That's if you use the
smaller 16 0unces capacity NOT the 24 ounces sizes. 2 x 16 = 32
ounces divided by 8 = 4 and 1 hour devided by 4 is 15 minutes. If you
use two 24 ounces bottles you have 48 ounces divided by 4 = 12 ounces
evey fifteen minutes which is 1.5 cups per quarter hour.

Gads at that rate for a 4 hour + ride you'd dang near need a trailer
just for your liquids!


Over 4-5h of hard MTB riding on a 95-100F day I find that 1-1/2 gallons
of liquids is adequate. But not less than that. I could have used more
but that's all I had on the bike.

I have met plenty of people on trails who thought like you, that this
was ridiculous and all that. They did not look too well healthwise and
sometimes I gave them one of my bottles. In one case almost all my water
because the guy appeared close to heading towards the eternal trails.


We're talking road biking and not trail riding or walking. Let them die. More food for the mountain lions.

Is there a town square arch in Cameron Park built from human bones -- like the elk antler arch in Jackson Hole? With all the dead from dehydration, mountain lions, crazy drivers, etc., one would expect there to be some sort of monument -- and intervention by the CDC. Maybe an indication on the map -- skull and cross-bones, like the Bermuda triangle. "Going to Cameron Park may result in death, disfigurement or disability."

I got thirsty in Cameron Park and went to the 7-11 across from the airfield and got a Slurpee. I did, however, note the accumulation of human skeletal remains along the road.

-- Jay Beattie.
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Old July 31st 17, 10:02 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2017-07-31 12:33, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 3:02:16 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-31 11:31, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 10:34:00 AM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt
wrote:
Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu,
27 Jul 2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

: Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles.

:When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten
miles.

Jay's a camel.

Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take
more than two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a
bike, I don't go into the store and ask for an '80s
Euro-sport bike with a rack so I can haul gallons of water on
a day ride.

Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle
bosses and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were
riding trails in the middle of nowhere, I might consider a
camel back or some other option, but I'm not. I'm never that
far from water on a day ride.



http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide





Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one
extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the
bike".

Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at
the upper end of the water requirement scale. So there.

Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store
in Portland :-)

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

That's NUTS! They're teling you that you have to drink an 8
ounces cup (250 ml) of liquid every FIFTEEN minutes! That's if
you use the smaller 16 0unces capacity NOT the 24 ounces sizes. 2
x 16 = 32 ounces divided by 8 = 4 and 1 hour devided by 4 is 15
minutes. If you use two 24 ounces bottles you have 48 ounces
divided by 4 = 12 ounces evey fifteen minutes which is 1.5 cups
per quarter hour.

Gads at that rate for a 4 hour + ride you'd dang near need a
trailer just for your liquids!


Over 4-5h of hard MTB riding on a 95-100F day I find that 1-1/2
gallons of liquids is adequate. But not less than that. I could
have used more but that's all I had on the bike.

I have met plenty of people on trails who thought like you, that
this was ridiculous and all that. They did not look too well
healthwise and sometimes I gave them one of my bottles. In one case
almost all my water because the guy appeared close to heading
towards the eternal trails.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


Someone on the verge of heat exhaustion or heat stroke is NOT going
to be able to exercise after drinking just one 16 ounces bottle of
water or energy drink. To give such a person water or energy drink
and then leave them is irresponsible.


Where did I write that I left them?

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
 




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