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On 6/27/04 9:24 PM, in article , "Richard
Adams" wrote:

Tom Kunich wrote:

"Ewoud Dronkert" wrote in message
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On Monday 28 June 2004 02:36%, benjo maso wrote:

international jury presided by an American with two other Americans
and only one Frenchwoman (Emanuelle Bart).

Mais quelle femme!


Which reminds me. Ann Coulter said that she avoided referring to President
Clinton's nearly 1,000 page self indulgance as a "blow by blow description".


Having never read or heard Ann Coulter, I read the first few paragraphs
of a column by her several days ago. She writes with bias and venom, I
couldn't say I agreed with anything she said while she warmed up her
acid pen. It's funny to see such a play on words from her, but I guess
every troll has it's moments.


And that fat grease stain Michael Moore is not biased?!?!?!?!?!

Steve wrote:

On 6/27/04 9:24 PM, in article , "Richard
Adams" wrote:


Tom Kunich wrote:


"Ewoud Dronkert" wrote in message
.. .


On Monday 28 June 2004 02:36%, benjo maso wrote:


international jury presided by an American with two other Americans
and only one Frenchwoman (Emanuelle Bart).

Mais quelle femme!


Which reminds me. Ann Coulter said that she avoided referring to President
Clinton's nearly 1,000 page self indulgance as a "blow by blow description".


Having never read or heard Ann Coulter, I read the first few paragraphs
of a column by her several days ago. She writes with bias and venom, I
couldn't say I agreed with anything she said while she warmed up her
acid pen. It's funny to see such a play on words from her, but I guess
every troll has it's moments.



And that fat grease stain Michael Moore is not biased?!?!?!?!?!


Moore doesn't start out by insulting people. He presents things in his
own way and lets you draw your own conclusion. I'll eventually get
around to Clinton's book and keep in mind what I remember living through
during his presidency.

Steve wrote:

On 6/27/04 9:13 PM, in article , "Richard
Adams" wrote:


benjo maso wrote:
[snip]


I'm sorry, there were not two, but three other Americans in the jury. As
Michael Moore said: "When you hear the wackos on Fox News and elsewhere
refer to this prize as coming from `the French,' please know that of the
nine members of the Festival jury, only ONE was French. Nearly half the jury
(four) were Americans and the President of the jury was an American (Quentin
Tarantino). But this fact won't stop the O'Reillys or the Lenos or the
Limbaughs from attacking the French and me because, well, that's how their
simple minds function."

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/me...ate=2004-05-23

Benjo Maso

It's also how they enrich themselves. I think Rush Limbaugh was worth
$25 million within 3 years of the start of his radio show. Not bad for
a college dropout.



© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Opponents of filmmaker Michael Moore are making the most of an endorsement
his Bush-bashing film "Fahrenheit 9/11" received from terrorists affiliated
with Hezbollah.

The Guardian of London reported today organizations related to the Middle
East-based terrorist network have offered to help promote the film in the
United Arab Emirates.

This is as valid an argument as saying Coke or Pepsi is bad because it's
prefered by convicted murderers.

Moore dismissed criticism over his purchase of a million-dollar home. "I'm a
millionaire, I'm a multi-millionaire," he proclaimed. "I'm filthy rich. You
know why I'm a multi-millionaire? 'Cause multi-millions like what I do.
That's pretty good, isn't it? There's millions that believe in what I do.
Pretty cool, huh?"

There must have been a point to this post or was it just to show that
Moore also makes money (which was pretty much a given, if he lost money
on films it would have stopped at Roger and Me.)

Moore seemed to embrace capitalistic Darwinism. "If the small businesses
suck they'll be driven out of business," he said. "If they got a good
restaurant, people will go there and eat. You know in my town the small
businesses that everyone wanted to protect? They were the people that
supported all the right-wing groups. They were the Republicans in the town,
they were in the Kiwanis, the Chamber of Commerce - people that kept the
town all white. The small hardware salesman, the small clothing store
salespersons, Jesse the Barber who signed his name three different times on
three different petitions to recall me from the school board. **** all these
small businesses - **** 'em all! Bring in the chains. The small
businesspeople are the rednecks that run the town and suppress the people.
**** 'em all. That's how I feel."

You should visit Flint, Michigan someday. Wear a bulletproof vest and
leave your valuables at home.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/

"Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely
disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject
political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of "dissenting"
bravery.

Microsoft, which owns Slate, was dissed pretty well in the film where
they attended a conference which was all about how to make money in
Iraq. You should see the actual footage. Moore is certainly mocking,
where he doesn't need to be, it's not very entertaining to see how
government can be so corrupted.

http://www.moorelies.com/

Moore shows endless shots of Bush and administration officials being made up
for TV appearances, montages of Bush golfing and on vacation, a shot of Bush
with his dog  all accompanied by the sarcastic vocal commentary of Michael
Moore.

In Moore's world, liberal politicians never get made up or hair coiffed for
TV appearances. In Moore's world, Bill Clinton never golfed, never
vacationed for months on Cape Cod and Martha's Vineyard, never had a dog
named "Buddy" -- all while Slick Willie had the opportunity (several times)
to have Osama Bin Laden handed over to him, but declined.

The shots of Bush making faces and rolling his eyes are pretty funny.
Watching him sit on his butt for seven minutes after the second jet hit
the WTC isn't, he was a deer in the headlights, not much of an
endorsement of Texas Air National Guard training. Bush on vacation 42%
of the first 8 months in the Whitehouse was a bit disappointing while
his agenda struggled and he lost control of the Senate. There's a great
clip of Bush saying something with a dead-serious look on his face then
turning and grinning with a driver in his hand.

http://fahrenheit_fact.blogspot.com/


[... Moore should have known] that prewar Iraq was ruled by a regime that
had forced a sixth of its population into fearful exile, that hanged
dissidents (real dissidents, not people like Susan Sontag and Tim Robbins)
from meathooks and tortured them with blowtorches, and filled thousands of
mass graves with the bodies of its massacred citizens.

Yes, children played, women shopped and men sat in cafes while that stuff
went on ‹ just as people did all those normal things in Somoza's Nicaragua,
Duvalier's Haiti and for that matter Nazi Germany, and as they do just about
everywhere, including in Iraq today.

Iraq was such a wonderful place that his father didn't finish the job,
even as the kurds were being poisoned, and warned his son not to go in
there either.

Samoza or Ortega? You DO remember the US backing of the of "patriots"
(note: not terrorists) trying to overthrow Ortega while the country had
its first tastes of prosperity in years, don't you?

I do remember the stink made by the GOP when Clinton threatened to go
into Haiti. Then Bush effectively backs the rebels in Haiti by hauling
their democratically elected leader out of the country.

IIRC it was the isolationist republicans who blocked attempts by FDR to
get involved in WWII, before Pearl Harbor. It was also much of Herbert
Hoover's doing to exacerbate the political situation in Japan which led
to the attack.

The records indicate that, despite his move to Alabama, Bush met his
obligation to the Guard in the 1972-73 year. At that time, Guardsmen were
awarded points based on the days they reported for duty each year. They were
given 15 points just for being in the Guard, and were then required to
accumulate a total of 50 points to satisfy the annual requirement. In his
first four years of service, Bush piled up lots of points; he earned 253
points in his first year, 340 in his second, 137 in his third, and 112 in
his fourth. For the year from May 1972 to May 1973, records show Bush earned
56 points, a much smaller total, but more than the minimum requirement (his
service was measured on a May-to-May basis because he first joined the Guard
in that month in 1968).

http://www.massgraves.info/

I found the differences between the documents Moore received in 2000 and
those he received in 2003 to be quite illuminating, particularly in
reference to the other airman who was suspended with Bush.

BTW Bush spent a lot of time away from the TANG on political campaigns.
His tranfer to Alabama was for this purpose.

On 6/27/04 9:39 PM, in article , "Richard
Adams" wrote:

Steve wrote:

On 6/27/04 9:24 PM, in article , "Richard
Adams" wrote:


Tom Kunich wrote:


"Ewoud Dronkert" wrote in message
...


On Monday 28 June 2004 02:36%, benjo maso wrote:


international jury presided by an American with two other Americans
and only one Frenchwoman (Emanuelle Bart).

Mais quelle femme!


Which reminds me. Ann Coulter said that she avoided referring to President
Clinton's nearly 1,000 page self indulgance as a "blow by blow
description".


Having never read or heard Ann Coulter, I read the first few paragraphs
of a column by her several days ago. She writes with bias and venom, I
couldn't say I agreed with anything she said while she warmed up her
acid pen. It's funny to see such a play on words from her, but I guess
every troll has it's moments.



And that fat grease stain Michael Moore is not biased?!?!?!?!?!


Moore doesn't start out by insulting people. He presents things in his
own way and lets you draw your own conclusion. I'll eventually get
around to Clinton's book and keep in mind what I remember living through
during his presidency.

Oh really??

How about how he calls Americans a bunch of dummies when he is speaking in
another country????? That does not even count what he said he thinks of
politicians he does not like..

Steve wrote:



On 6/27/04 9:39 PM, in article , "Richard
Adams" wrote:


Steve wrote:


On 6/27/04 9:24 PM, in article , "Richard
Adams" wrote:



Tom Kunich wrote:



"Ewoud Dronkert" wrote in message
...



On Monday 28 June 2004 02:36%, benjo maso wrote:



international jury presided by an American with two other Americans
and only one Frenchwoman (Emanuelle Bart).

Mais quelle femme!


Which reminds me. Ann Coulter said that she avoided referring to President
Clinton's nearly 1,000 page self indulgance as a "blow by blow
description".


Having never read or heard Ann Coulter, I read the first few paragraphs
of a column by her several days ago. She writes with bias and venom, I
couldn't say I agreed with anything she said while she warmed up her
acid pen. It's funny to see such a play on words from her, but I guess
every troll has it's moments.



And that fat grease stain Michael Moore is not biased?!?!?!?!?!


Moore doesn't start out by insulting people. He presents things in his
own way and lets you draw your own conclusion. I'll eventually get
around to Clinton's book and keep in mind what I remember living through
during his presidency.


Oh really??

How about how he calls Americans a bunch of dummies when he is speaking in
another country????? That does not even count what he said he thinks of
politicians he does not like..


Tragically most americans are dummies.

A neat little exercise held in one of my Poli Sci classes is college
made this fairly clear, though some bullheaded people didn't get it and
thought they were tricked somehow. The professor asked students to
write on a piece of paper which political party they most identified
with, then how strongly they identified (like 1 to 10) then he stated
issues and where each party would stand on each (liberals want this,
conservatives want that), students were to write down where they stood
on each issue, pro/con/neutral. Lastly add them up and see where you
really stand. At least half the class found themselves at odds with the
party platforms they thought they understood.

Now by all means I doubt this is unique to americans, but I do feel its
fair to say there are a lot of ignorant people in the US. Which would
be worse? Voting for things you don't understand or not voting at all
(like half the elligible population?)

(TritonRider) wrote:

This **** could've come from Michael Moore.
Bill C

But it would take Condi Rice to deliver it with a straight face.

On 6/27/04 10:03 PM, in article , "Richard
Adams" wrote:

Steve wrote:

On 6/27/04 9:13 PM, in article , "Richard
Adams" wrote:


benjo maso wrote:
[snip]


I'm sorry, there were not two, but three other Americans in the jury. As
Michael Moore said: "When you hear the wackos on Fox News and elsewhere
refer to this prize as coming from `the French,' please know that of the
nine members of the Festival jury, only ONE was French. Nearly half the
jury
(four) were Americans and the President of the jury was an American
(Quentin
Tarantino). But this fact won't stop the O'Reillys or the Lenos or the
Limbaughs from attacking the French and me because, well, that's how their
simple minds function."

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/me...ate=2004-05-23

Benjo Maso

It's also how they enrich themselves. I think Rush Limbaugh was worth
$25 million within 3 years of the start of his radio show. Not bad for
a college dropout.



© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Opponents of filmmaker Michael Moore are making the most of an endorsement
his Bush-bashing film "Fahrenheit 9/11" received from terrorists affiliated
with Hezbollah.

The Guardian of London reported today organizations related to the Middle
East-based terrorist network have offered to help promote the film in the
United Arab Emirates.

This is as valid an argument as saying Coke or Pepsi is bad because it's
prefered by convicted murderers.

Bullcrap! Here is a crapload more links saying the same damn thing....

http://www.google.com/search?q=Micha...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8


Moore dismissed criticism over his purchase of a million-dollar home. "I'm a
millionaire, I'm a multi-millionaire," he proclaimed. "I'm filthy rich. You
know why I'm a multi-millionaire? 'Cause multi-millions like what I do.
That's pretty good, isn't it? There's millions that believe in what I do.
Pretty cool, huh?"

There must have been a point to this post or was it just to show that
Moore also makes money (which was pretty much a given, if he lost money
on films it would have stopped at Roger and Me.)

Read the whole story then! I posted the link

Moore seemed to embrace capitalistic Darwinism. "If the small businesses
suck they'll be driven out of business," he said. "If they got a good
restaurant, people will go there and eat. You know in my town the small
businesses that everyone wanted to protect? They were the people that
supported all the right-wing groups. They were the Republicans in the town,
they were in the Kiwanis, the Chamber of Commerce - people that kept the
town all white. The small hardware salesman, the small clothing store
salespersons, Jesse the Barber who signed his name three different times on
three different petitions to recall me from the school board. **** all these
small businesses - **** 'em all! Bring in the chains. The small
businesspeople are the rednecks that run the town and suppress the people.
**** 'em all. That's how I feel."

You should visit Flint, Michigan someday. Wear a bulletproof vest and
leave your valuables at home.

Don't dis the post! He is a two-faced commie *******!

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/

"Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely
disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject
political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of "dissenting"
bravery.

Microsoft, which owns Slate, was dissed pretty well in the film where
they attended a conference which was all about how to make money in
Iraq. You should see the actual footage. Moore is certainly mocking,
where he doesn't need to be, it's not very entertaining to see how
government can be so corrupted.

That is another stupid misdirection! Christopher Hitchens is a columnist for
Vanity Fair

http://www.moorelies.com/

Moore shows endless shots of Bush and administration officials being made up
for TV appearances, montages of Bush golfing and on vacation, a shot of Bush
with his dog  all accompanied by the sarcastic vocal commentary of Michael
Moore.

In Moore's world, liberal politicians never get made up or hair coiffed for
TV appearances. In Moore's world, Bill Clinton never golfed, never
vacationed for months on Cape Cod and Martha's Vineyard, never had a dog
named "Buddy" -- all while Slick Willie had the opportunity (several times)
to have Osama Bin Laden handed over to him, but declined.

The shots of Bush making faces and rolling his eyes are pretty funny.
Watching him sit on his butt for seven minutes after the second jet hit
the WTC isn't, he was a deer in the headlights, not much of an
endorsement of Texas Air National Guard training. Bush on vacation 42%
of the first 8 months in the Whitehouse was a bit disappointing while
his agenda struggled and he lost control of the Senate. There's a great
clip of Bush saying something with a dead-serious look on his face then
turning and grinning with a driver in his hand.

http://fahrenheit_fact.blogspot.com/


[... Moore should have known] that prewar Iraq was ruled by a regime that
had forced a sixth of its population into fearful exile, that hanged
dissidents (real dissidents, not people like Susan Sontag and Tim Robbins)
from meathooks and tortured them with blowtorches, and filled thousands of
mass graves with the bodies of its massacred citizens.

Yes, children played, women shopped and men sat in cafes while that stuff
went on ‹ just as people did all those normal things in Somoza's Nicaragua,
Duvalier's Haiti and for that matter Nazi Germany, and as they do just about
everywhere, including in Iraq today.

Iraq was such a wonderful place that his father didn't finish the job,
even as the kurds were being poisoned, and warned his son not to go in
there either.

Why? Because it was not politically "UN" correct. Look what the damn
terrorists are doing now! They do not care what nationality you are! They
will still cut your f'ing head off!


Samoza or Ortega? You DO remember the US backing of the of "patriots"
(note: not terrorists) trying to overthrow Ortega while the country had
its first tastes of prosperity in years, don't you?

I do remember the stink made by the GOP when Clinton threatened to go
into Haiti. Then Bush effectively backs the rebels in Haiti by hauling
their democratically elected leader out of the country.

IIRC it was the isolationist republicans who blocked attempts by FDR to
get involved in WWII, before Pearl Harbor. It was also much of Herbert
Hoover's doing to exacerbate the political situation in Japan which led
to the attack.

What damn commie/liberal college did you go to that taught that everything
ever wrong in history was an f'ing Republican plot??

The records indicate that, despite his move to Alabama, Bush met his
obligation to the Guard in the 1972-73 year. At that time, Guardsmen were
awarded points based on the days they reported for duty each year. They were
given 15 points just for being in the Guard, and were then required to
accumulate a total of 50 points to satisfy the annual requirement. In his
first four years of service, Bush piled up lots of points; he earned 253
points in his first year, 340 in his second, 137 in his third, and 112 in
his fourth. For the year from May 1972 to May 1973, records show Bush earned
56 points, a much smaller total, but more than the minimum requirement (his
service was measured on a May-to-May basis because he first joined the Guard
in that month in 1968).

http://www.massgraves.info/

I found the differences between the documents Moore received in 2000 and
those he received in 2003 to be quite illuminating, particularly in
reference to the other airman who was suspended with Bush.

If Moore says it IT MUST BE TRUE!


BTW Bush spent a lot of time away from the TANG on political campaigns.
His tranfer to Alabama was for this purpose.

??
Lets see your documentation?? Moore said that too?

Steve wrote:
[snip]

Well I can plainly see you're highly biased and this is going to go
nowhere near Evans or T-Mobile and I'm not really interested any further
in paticipating in political discourse in a cycling forum.

I like the movie and I'm certainly intelligent enough to draw my own
conclusions (otherwise I'd be out buying everything on infomercials.)
I'll go on being depressed over the state of things and how we've got
there and what it's going to take to get out of this morass.

Worst all, all this rotten economy and fascination with amassing vast
personal wealth doesn't seem to be doing much to help the sport I enjoy
the most. For those sponsors who can pull it together and put up a team
I thank them.

For Cadel Evans, I suggest he take a page from Julich's book and leave
T-Mobile and go enjoy racing at a team that values him. Why he's even
left off the team in the aftermath of Vino's crash is perplexing to say
the least.

On 6/27/04 10:18 PM, in article , "Richard
Adams" wrote:

Steve wrote:



On 6/27/04 9:39 PM, in article , "Richard
Adams" wrote:


Steve wrote:


On 6/27/04 9:24 PM, in article , "Richard
Adams" wrote:



Tom Kunich wrote:



"Ewoud Dronkert" wrote in message
...



On Monday 28 June 2004 02:36%, benjo maso wrote:



international jury presided by an American with two other Americans
and only one Frenchwoman (Emanuelle Bart).

Mais quelle femme!


Which reminds me. Ann Coulter said that she avoided referring to
President
Clinton's nearly 1,000 page self indulgance as a "blow by blow
description".


Having never read or heard Ann Coulter, I read the first few paragraphs
of a column by her several days ago. She writes with bias and venom, I
couldn't say I agreed with anything she said while she warmed up her
acid pen. It's funny to see such a play on words from her, but I guess
every troll has it's moments.



And that fat grease stain Michael Moore is not biased?!?!?!?!?!


Moore doesn't start out by insulting people. He presents things in his
own way and lets you draw your own conclusion. I'll eventually get
around to Clinton's book and keep in mind what I remember living through
during his presidency.


Oh really??

How about how he calls Americans a bunch of dummies when he is speaking in
another country????? That does not even count what he said he thinks of
politicians he does not like..


Tragically most americans are dummies.

A neat little exercise held in one of my Poli Sci classes is college
made this fairly clear, though some bullheaded people didn't get it and
thought they were tricked somehow. The professor asked students to
write on a piece of paper which political party they most identified
with, then how strongly they identified (like 1 to 10) then he stated
issues and where each party would stand on each (liberals want this,
conservatives want that), students were to write down where they stood
on each issue, pro/con/neutral. Lastly add them up and see where you
really stand. At least half the class found themselves at odds with the
party platforms they thought they understood.

Now by all means I doubt this is unique to americans, but I do feel its
fair to say there are a lot of ignorant people in the US. Which would
be worse? Voting for things you don't understand or not voting at all
(like half the elligible population?)

Bad example!
Poli Sci class? Your professor?
It is obvious where that experiment was heading.......... Do not tell me he
did not already have a major liberal leaning....... If he did not he would
NOT be an instructor in that class!

How come you do not say most "people" (The whole World) are dumb?? Who do
you think (Liberals) have been running the educational system the last 25
years??!? You guys usually want to blame someone else for the problems of
individuals! (Corporations, the Republicans, did I say Corporations??)
Now you are leaning toward "personal responsibility" and just saying they
are "dumb"?? Only Liberals are capable of making a sane decision?

Your obvious bias that not everybody leans to your (and most universities)
political views invokes reactions of "dumb, ignorant, idiots" Although!! You
maybe just refering to your Parents, grandparents. Other family members that
lived in a time where there were morals that were upheld not "Everything
goes if it floats your boat!"

On 6/27/04 10:31 PM, in article , "Richard
Adams" wrote:

Steve wrote:
[snip]

Well I can plainly see you're highly biased and this is going to go
nowhere near Evans or T-Mobile and I'm not really interested any further
in paticipating in political discourse in a cycling forum.

Wimp........

I like the movie and I'm certainly intelligent enough to draw my own
conclusions (otherwise I'd be out buying everything on infomercials.)
I'll go on being depressed over the state of things and how we've got
there and what it's going to take to get out of this morass.

You are just another Liberal University trained dittohead

Worst all, all this rotten economy and fascination with amassing vast
personal wealth doesn't seem to be doing much to help the sport I enjoy
the most. For those sponsors who can pull it together and put up a team
I thank them.

I have my own issues with my health and the effect of the economy on my
business status..
I sure DO NOT go whine and blame the Administration for my own work issues?
It is MY responsibility to get ahead in this country I was lucky enough to
be born into.. NOT the damn government 2000 miles away.

I would blame the constant influx AND acceptance of illegal immigrants
draining our state economy (CA) for issues that could be affected by
government. It is my responsibility what I do with my work life.

You might as well quit...... Because I will not.

For Cadel Evans, I suggest he take a page from Julich's book and leave
T-Mobile and go enjoy racing at a team that values him. Why he's even
left off the team in the aftermath of Vino's crash is perplexing to say
the least.