Cycling culture in NL.

Looking through last year's photo album this one shot shows how fully
cycling is a part of Dutch culture.

Wageningen, Gelderland - June 08.

http://www.swldxer.co.uk/jun08ki.jpg


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Simon Mason wrote:
Looking through last year's photo album this one shot shows how fully
cycling is a part of Dutch culture.

Wageningen, Gelderland - June 08.

http://www.swldxer.co.uk/jun08ki.jpg

http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~pj...ix/ddbb3-2.jpg

Note the bike rack, it's for a bus-stop on the main road. It's almost
as if someone not only decided an integrated transport policy would be a
good thing, /but did something about it!/

In the UK, it wasn't until Roos pointed out it was bonkers that you had
to walk for a few minutes from Dundee station to catch a bus that I
/really/ realised what numpties we are about it in this country.

Pete.
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On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 09:09:12 +0100 someone who may be Peter Clinch
wrote this:-

In the UK, it wasn't until Roos pointed out it was bonkers that you had
to walk for a few minutes from Dundee station to catch a bus that I
/really/ realised what numpties we are about it in this country.

Indeed. Many moons ago I got off a ferry from England in Denmark. I
had to walk for as much as 20 seconds from the deck of the ship
before I got on the train to Copenhagen.

After a while the train went on to another ferry, in the UK people
would have been imprisoned on the train for "safety" (assuming the
"safety" people allowed the train on the ferry in the first place),
but we got off and had a wander round.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

On 6 Apr, 10:55, David Hansen wrote:
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 09:09:12 +0100 someone who may be Peter Clinch
wrote this:-

In the UK, it wasn't until Roos pointed out it was bonkers that you had
to walk for a few minutes from Dundee station to catch a bus that I
/really/ realised what numpties we are about it in this country.

Indeed. Many moons ago I got off a ferry from England in Denmark. I
had to walk for as much as 20 seconds from the deck of the ship
before I got on the train to Copenhagen.

After a while the train went on to another ferry, in the UK people
would have been imprisoned on the train for "safety" (assuming the
"safety" people allowed the train on the ferry in the first place),
but we got off and had a wander round.

--
* David Hansen, Edinburgh
*I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
*http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

No, No, No! That street looks simply horrible. What it needs is
narrower pavements, plus a few motorists driving along it at what they
perceive is a safe (to them anyway) speed (I'd suggest most of them
would decide that 40mph is about right).

These changes, plus some litter would convert it from a Dutch street
to its UK equivalent.

On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 10:55:25 +0100, David Hansen
wrote:

[---]

After a while the train went on to another ferry, in the UK people
would have been imprisoned on the train for "safety" (assuming the
"safety" people allowed the train on the ferry in the first place),
but we got off and had a wander round.

Similarly in Italy, between Villa San Giovanni and Messina, you can
stay in the train or wander around the ferry.

On 6 Apr, 12:46, al Mossah wrote:
On 6 Apr, 10:55, David Hansen wrote:



On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 09:09:12 +0100 someone who may be Peter Clinch
wrote this:-

In the UK, it wasn't until Roos pointed out it was bonkers that you had
to walk for a few minutes from Dundee station to catch a bus that I
/really/ realised what numpties we are about it in this country.

Indeed. Many moons ago I got off a ferry from England in Denmark. I
had to walk for as much as 20 seconds from the deck of the ship
before I got on the train to Copenhagen.

After a while the train went on to another ferry, in the UK people
would have been imprisoned on the train for "safety" (assuming the
"safety" people allowed the train on the ferry in the first place),
but we got off and had a wander round.

--
* David Hansen, Edinburgh
*I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
*http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

No, No, No! *That street looks simply horrible. *What it needs is
narrower pavements, plus a few motorists driving along it at what they
perceive is a safe (to them anyway) speed (I'd suggest most of them
would decide that 40mph is about right).

These changes, plus some litter would convert it from a Dutch street
to its UK equivalent.
Oh, nearly forgot... don't those cyclists realise how dangerous it is
not to be wearing helmets?

On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:43:26 -0700 (PDT), al Mossah
wrote:

On 6 Apr, 12:46, al Mossah wrote:
On 6 Apr, 10:55, David Hansen wrote:



On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 09:09:12 +0100 someone who may be Peter Clinch
wrote this:-

In the UK, it wasn't until Roos pointed out it was bonkers that you had
to walk for a few minutes from Dundee station to catch a bus that I
/really/ realised what numpties we are about it in this country.

Indeed. Many moons ago I got off a ferry from England in Denmark. I
had to walk for as much as 20 seconds from the deck of the ship
before I got on the train to Copenhagen.

After a while the train went on to another ferry, in the UK people
would have been imprisoned on the train for "safety" (assuming the
"safety" people allowed the train on the ferry in the first place),
but we got off and had a wander round.

--
* David Hansen, Edinburgh
*I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
*http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

No, No, No! *That street looks simply horrible. *What it needs is
narrower pavements, plus a few motorists driving along it at what they
perceive is a safe (to them anyway) speed (I'd suggest most of them
would decide that 40mph is about right).

These changes, plus some litter would convert it from a Dutch street
to its UK equivalent.
Oh, nearly forgot... don't those cyclists realise how dangerous it is
not to be wearing helmets?

Yes - I quite agree - I saw those stats from the Dutch Institute for
Road Safety Research - did you see these direct quotes:

Cyclists sustain severe head injury in 30% of the crashes, which is
much more frequently than for riders of other two-wheelers.

78% of in-patient cyclists have had a cyclist-only crash.

Severe head injuries are much more frequent after crashes with motor
vehicles (40%) and the victims die more often than victims of crashes
with no motor vehicles involved;

This leads to the conclusion that the proportion of cyclist
in-patients with severe head injuries from cyclist-only crashes is not
much lower than the average of 30%. Such a large percentage indicates
that head protection is useful for all cyclists.
--

Passenger casualty rates by mode Per billion passenger kilometers:
Killed or seriously injured:
Pedal Cyclists : 533 Pedestrians : 384
All casualties:
Pedal Cyclists : 3739 Pedestrians : 1795

Which do you think is the most dangerous?

Andrew Price wrote:
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 10:55:25 +0100, David Hansen
wrote:

[---]

After a while the train went on to another ferry, in the UK people
would have been imprisoned on the train for "safety" (assuming the
"safety" people allowed the train on the ferry in the first place),
but we got off and had a wander round.

Similarly in Italy, between Villa San Giovanni and Messina, you can
stay in the train or wander around the ferry.
Have these people never seen "The Heros of Telemark"

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:40:05 +0100, Marc
wrote:

Have these people never seen "The Heros of Telemark"

IRTA "The Heroes of Telemarketing" and wondered if it was ironic.

Guy
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