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Old May 21st 11, 03:20 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Greg, Frankie, Betsy, Floyd, Tyler, Christophe, Filipo, David, Pierre,
Steffan Prentis, Emma O'Reilly. The list of good people smeared to
maintain the myth is endless. These folks should sue for defamation
even though it will not bring back much of what they lost to this
lying moron from Plano. The people in the cancer community who look
up to him are the most violated victims. To use their cancer to help
build his myth and cover up his life of lies is despicable.
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Old May 21st 11, 03:26 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On May 21, 9:20*am, "
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Greg, Frankie, Betsy, Floyd, Tyler, Christophe, Filipo, David, Pierre,
Steffan Prentis, Emma O'Reilly. The list of good people smeared to
maintain the myth is endless. These folks should sue for defamation
even though it will not bring back much of what they lost to this
lying moron from Plano. *The people in the cancer community who look
up to him are the most violated victims. *To use their cancer to help
build his myth and cover up his life of lies is despicable.


Where there's money and a lying **** there will be lawyers. Lance
will be back with pa Gunderson drinking sterno soon enough.
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Old May 21st 11, 04:18 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Greg, Frankie, Betsy, Floyd, Tyler, Christophe, Filipo, David, Pierre,
Steffan Prentis, Emma O'Reilly. The list of good people smeared to
maintain the myth is endless. These folks should sue for defamation
even though it will not bring back much of what they lost to this
lying moron from Plano. The people in the cancer community who look
up to him are the most violated victims. To use their cancer to help
build his myth and cover up his life of lies is despicable.


I'll give you some slack when including the anciallary figures in this
case, but Frankie, Floyd & Tyler? C'mon, there's no personal
responsibility in your world? These guys all made a choice. Nobody
forced them to dope themselves, nobody forced them to stay in a vocation
in which it appears, from their own stories, that the only way you could
win or even be competitive was to dope. And there remains a shocking
lack of forensic evidence so far. It will be interesting, if we get to
see the Grand Jury testimony, to see if the various stories all line up,
or if it has remained a lot of individual stories but no two of them
supporting the same event.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


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Old May 21st 11, 05:24 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On May 21, 11:18*am, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
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Greg, Frankie, Betsy, Floyd, Tyler, Christophe, Filipo, David, Pierre,
Steffan Prentis, Emma O'Reilly. The list of good people smeared to
maintain the myth is endless. These folks should sue for defamation
even though it will not bring back much of what they lost to this
lying moron from Plano. *The people in the cancer community who look
up to him are the most violated victims. *To use their cancer to help
build his myth and cover up his life of lies is despicable.


I'll give you some slack when including the anciallary figures in this
case, but Frankie, Floyd & Tyler? C'mon, there's no personal
responsibility in your world? These guys all made a choice. Nobody
forced them to dope themselves, nobody forced them to stay in a vocation
in which it appears, from their own stories, that the only way you could
win or even be competitive was to dope. And there remains a shocking
lack of forensic evidence so far. It will be interesting, if we get to
see the Grand Jury testimony, to see if the various stories all line up,
or if it has remained a lot of individual stories but no two of them
supporting the same event.

--Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com


Dude, he's called Frankie, Floyd and Tyler liars and and implied that
they've committed perjury.
I hope a few of these folks get together and sue his Plano ass for
defamation and business interference (some of them).
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Old May 21st 11, 07:38 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On May 21, 11:18 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
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Greg, Frankie, Betsy, Floyd, Tyler, Christophe, Filipo, David, Pierre,
Steffan Prentis, Emma O'Reilly. The list of good people smeared to
maintain the myth is endless. These folks should sue for defamation
even though it will not bring back much of what they lost to this
lying moron from Plano. The people in the cancer community who look
up to him are the most violated victims. To use their cancer to help
build his myth and cover up his life of lies is despicable.


I'll give you some slack when including the anciallary figures in this
case, but Frankie, Floyd & Tyler? C'mon, there's no personal
responsibility in your world? These guys all made a choice. Nobody
forced them to dope themselves, nobody forced them to stay in a vocation
in which it appears, from their own stories, that the only way you could
win or even be competitive was to dope. And there remains a shocking
lack of forensic evidence so far. It will be interesting, if we get to
see the Grand Jury testimony, to see if the various stories all line up,
or if it has remained a lot of individual stories but no two of them
supporting the same event.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

======
Dude, he's called Frankie, Floyd and Tyler liars and and implied that
they've committed perjury.
I hope a few of these folks get together and sue his Plano ass for
defamation and business interference (some of them).
======

So it's only the last one standing who has any accountability? These guys,
by popular account, have been lying and making upstories FOR YEARS. Now
suddenly they've changed their tune, saying they're telling the truth now,
they were lying before when they denied various allegations against each of
them. What makes Lance's liability in lawsuits and/or personal credibility
in general any different from the rest of them?

And then there's Floyd. You really want to bring him up in the same
paragraph as "honorable" people? Floyd continued to make up stories (lie)
after his big confession. Some people cannot help themselves. Maybe Floyd
*was* treated like a second-class citizen when working for Lance. But he
can't help but make up fictional stories that sound like they could have
happened, to bolster his claims. Specifically, as I said before, Floyd was
not riding "old" equipment that was any different from what anyone else on
the team was riding. Floyd continued to spew nonsense long after his
"confession."

How much nonsense from others? I don't know. But I think it unlikely that a
low-level mafia grunt would be able to successfully sue his boss for libel,
and that might be what we're looking at here. It could be a bunch of
now-repentent mafia grunts, but I think that's a distinction without legal
merit.

Regarding the case in general, as I said elsewhere, what will give
credibility to the "Lance is a lying doper" line will be one or both of the
following-

#1: Forensic evidence, which has been amazingly lacking so far, at least
what we know of. Maybe there will be a big surprise the week before the TdF.

#2: Grand Jury testimony from multiple sources documenting the same event
the same way. So far, we have many people each with their own separate Lance
doping tale. What we don't seem to have are even two people documenting the
same event, despite the fact that Lance was typically around more than just
one person when these things are said to have happened. If it turns out that
we do have such testimony, then it's pretty much case-closed for the
Lance-is-clean camp.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

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Old May 21st 11, 07:51 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On May 21, 1:10*pm, Fred Flintstein
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On 5/21/2011 11:24 AM, wrote:

Dude, he's called Frankie, Floyd and Tyler liars and and implied that
they've committed perjury.


Dumbass,

Calling them liars does not imply a claim of perjury. May I
remind you that you're not an attorney and shouldn't claim
knowledge in this area.

F


****Tard, as an attorney, I can tell you that Mr. Lance will be
defaming his former teammates who are telling the truth, if he
actually calls them liars. He's really close to the line now by
attacking their motives and brining up their past lies. And if he
actually calls them liars, then he is also calling them perjurers as
well---actionable. And the Uniballer won't be able to use truth as his
absolute defense. Now, please go back under your personal rock and
jack off some more before amusing us further.
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Old May 21st 11, 07:52 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On May 21, 2:38*pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
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On May 21, 11:18 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
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Greg, Frankie, Betsy, Floyd, Tyler, Christophe, Filipo, David, Pierre,
Steffan Prentis, Emma O'Reilly. The list of good people smeared to
maintain the myth is endless. These folks should sue for defamation
even though it will not bring back much of what they lost to this
lying moron from Plano. The people in the cancer community who look
up to him are the most violated victims. To use their cancer to help
build his myth and cover up his life of lies is despicable.


I'll give you some slack when including the anciallary figures in this
case, but Frankie, Floyd & Tyler? C'mon, there's no personal
responsibility in your world? These guys all made a choice. Nobody
forced them to dope themselves, nobody forced them to stay in a vocation
in which it appears, from their own stories, that the only way you could
win or even be competitive was to dope. And there remains a shocking
lack of forensic evidence so far. It will be interesting, if we get to
see the Grand Jury testimony, to see if the various stories all line up,
or if it has remained a lot of individual stories but no two of them
supporting the same event.


--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com


======
Dude, he's called Frankie, Floyd and Tyler liars and and implied that
they've committed perjury.
I hope a few of these folks get together and sue his Plano ass for
defamation and business interference (some of them).
======

So it's only the last one standing who has any accountability? These guys,
by popular account, have been lying and making upstories FOR YEARS. Now
suddenly they've changed their tune, saying they're telling the truth now,
they were lying before when they denied various allegations against each of
them. What makes Lance's liability in lawsuits and/or personal credibility
in general any different from the rest of them?

And then there's Floyd. You really want to bring him up in the same
paragraph as "honorable" people? Floyd continued to make up stories (lie)
after his big confession. Some people cannot help themselves. Maybe Floyd
*was* treated like a second-class citizen when working for Lance. But he
can't help but make up fictional stories that sound like they could have
happened, to bolster his claims. Specifically, as I said before, Floyd was
not riding "old" equipment that was any different from what anyone else on
the team was riding. Floyd continued to spew nonsense long after his
"confession."

How much nonsense from others? I don't know. But I think it unlikely that a
low-level mafia grunt would be able to successfully sue his boss for libel,
and that might be what we're looking at here. It could be a bunch of
now-repentent mafia grunts, but I think that's a distinction without legal
merit.

Regarding the case in general, as I said elsewhere, what will give
credibility to the "Lance is a lying doper" line will be one or both of the
following-

#1: Forensic evidence, which has been amazingly lacking so far, at least
what we know of. Maybe there will be a big surprise the week before the TdF.

#2: Grand Jury testimony from multiple sources documenting the same event
the same way. So far, we have many people each with their own separate Lance
doping tale. What we don't seem to have are even two people documenting the
same event, despite the fact that Lance was typically around more than just
one person when these things are said to have happened. If it turns out that
we do have such testimony, then it's pretty much case-closed for the
Lance-is-clean camp.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


What drugs are you using, MIke?
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Old May 21st 11, 08:45 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On May 21, 1:51*pm, "
wrote:

****Tard, (snip snip snip)


Brian?

Now, please go back under your personal rock and
jack off some more before amusing us further.


Yup.
--D-y

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Old May 21st 11, 08:50 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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What drugs are you using, MIke?


Triple-shot venti mocha. Should have been a double-shot grande. Better yet
something from Main Street Coffee rather than *bucks.

But why not just answer the two questions I asked? Tell me why they're not
reasonable. Or that they're already been answered. So far we continue to see
regurgitation of the same stuff, over and over and over, as if reprinting
multiple stories of the same person saying the same thing somehow makes it
more credible. Here they are again-

#1: Forensic evidence, which has been amazingly lacking so far, at least
what we know of. Maybe there will be a big surprise the week before the TdF.

#2: Grand Jury testimony from multiple sources documenting the same event
the same way. So far, we have many people each with their own separate Lance
doping tale. What we don't seem to have are even two people documenting the
same event, despite the fact that Lance was typically around more than just
one person when these things are said to have happened. If it turns out that
we do have such testimony, then it's pretty much case-closed for the
Lance-is-clean camp.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

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On May 21, 2:38 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote:
wrote in message

...
On May 21, 11:18 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote:







wrote in message


...


Greg, Frankie, Betsy, Floyd, Tyler, Christophe, Filipo, David, Pierre,
Steffan Prentis, Emma O'Reilly. The list of good people smeared to
maintain the myth is endless. These folks should sue for defamation
even though it will not bring back much of what they lost to this
lying moron from Plano. The people in the cancer community who look
up to him are the most violated victims. To use their cancer to help
build his myth and cover up his life of lies is despicable.


I'll give you some slack when including the anciallary figures in this
case, but Frankie, Floyd & Tyler? C'mon, there's no personal
responsibility in your world? These guys all made a choice. Nobody
forced them to dope themselves, nobody forced them to stay in a vocation
in which it appears, from their own stories, that the only way you could
win or even be competitive was to dope. And there remains a shocking
lack of forensic evidence so far. It will be interesting, if we get to
see the Grand Jury testimony, to see if the various stories all line up,
or if it has remained a lot of individual stories but no two of them
supporting the same event.


--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com


======
Dude, he's called Frankie, Floyd and Tyler liars and and implied that
they've committed perjury.
I hope a few of these folks get together and sue his Plano ass for
defamation and business interference (some of them).
======

So it's only the last one standing who has any accountability? These guys,
by popular account, have been lying and making upstories FOR YEARS. Now
suddenly they've changed their tune, saying they're telling the truth now,
they were lying before when they denied various allegations against each
of
them. What makes Lance's liability in lawsuits and/or personal credibility
in general any different from the rest of them?

And then there's Floyd. You really want to bring him up in the same
paragraph as "honorable" people? Floyd continued to make up stories (lie)
after his big confession. Some people cannot help themselves. Maybe Floyd
*was* treated like a second-class citizen when working for Lance. But he
can't help but make up fictional stories that sound like they could have
happened, to bolster his claims. Specifically, as I said before, Floyd was
not riding "old" equipment that was any different from what anyone else on
the team was riding. Floyd continued to spew nonsense long after his
"confession."

How much nonsense from others? I don't know. But I think it unlikely that
a
low-level mafia grunt would be able to successfully sue his boss for
libel,
and that might be what we're looking at here. It could be a bunch of
now-repentent mafia grunts, but I think that's a distinction without legal
merit.

Regarding the case in general, as I said elsewhere, what will give
credibility to the "Lance is a lying doper" line will be one or both of
the
following-

#1: Forensic evidence, which has been amazingly lacking so far, at least
what we know of. Maybe there will be a big surprise the week before the
TdF.

#2: Grand Jury testimony from multiple sources documenting the same event
the same way. So far, we have many people each with their own separate
Lance
doping tale. What we don't seem to have are even two people documenting
the
same event, despite the fact that Lance was typically around more than
just
one person when these things are said to have happened. If it turns out
that
we do have such testimony, then it's pretty much case-closed for the
Lance-is-clean camp.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


What drugs are you using, MIke?

 




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