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Oxford cyclists too dim to take the break that was offered
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:12:16 -0800 (PST)
NM wrote: Check out the pound shop or Tesco three for the price of two at the moment (though why one would need three bike lights isn't explained) A cycling family of three members? Or one person with multiples of three bikes. My six bike solution is two sets of lights and six sets of brackets, plus a few universal-fit spares. Mike |
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Oxford cyclists too dim to take the break that was offered
"AlanG" wrote in message ... On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 18:35:01 +0000, Marc wrote: On 25/11/2010 15:28, AlanG wrote: On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 14:54:33 GMT, (Cynic) wrote: On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 14:41:27 +0000, Sara wrote: I'd buy them. So go ahead and do so. I felt certain that such an obvious market would be filled, so I just did a 2 second search. There are entire web sites dedicated to them! Try he http://www.dynamolight.co.uk/ Retraction: No I won't! Somewhat foolishly I had £10-£15 in mind, not £60-£70. Gulp. Ah well - perhaps a note to Santa? :-) A person who does a lot of night time cycling could probably amortise the additional cost over a few months of saved batteries, and of course there is the advantage of never being stuck with a flat battery and no replacements to hand. OTOH a rechargable torch has almost the same advantages and they are a lot cheaper. Especially if you buy a hand-held torch instead of a bicycle light and gaffer-tape it to the handlebars ... I bought my daughter a set of windup LED cycle lights for about a tenner. A 1 minute wind lasts about 30 minutes. Quite enough for most journeys around town. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bike-Front-B...0698836&sr=8-2 I have something like the font light as a handtorch, it's OK as that, but only OK nowhere near as good a Maglite, but it's certainly no bike light It's quite adequate round town where there are street lights and the aim is more to help motorists avoid hitting you than lighting your way You have a torch as a light on your bike. That says it all. Mr Pounder |
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Oxford cyclists too dim to take the break that was offered
On 25/11/2010 21:11, Roger Merriman wrote:
wrote: On 25/11/2010 14:41, Sara wrote: In article4cee69c4.9779046@localhost, (Cynic) wrote: On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 13:03:17 +0000, Sara wrote: Now we have LED lights that have a good output for far less power, and good rechargeable battery technology, ISTM that it would be a doddle to make a light that runs from a battery (and so is on all the time), but the battery is recharged from a bicycle dynamo and so never needs changing. It is such an obvious device that I would be very surprised if such a thing does not exist. You can buy extremely cheap wind-up torches. I'd buy them. So go ahead and do so. I felt certain that such an obvious market would be filled, so I just did a 2 second search. There are entire web sites dedicated to them! Try he http://www.dynamolight.co.uk/ Retraction: No I won't! Somewhat foolishly I had £10-£15 in mind, not £60-£70. Gulp. Best £60-£70 you will spend.... I diverted on the way home , just to find a darker lane I could light up! how much kick do they have? It's obviously very subjective, but, I think the IQ cyo is better than the 2/10W Smart lights I was using last year I have found that the fenix torches work well, though the beam is fairly narrow it's very bright so for pitch black nights it allows one to see, plus the same power, keeps cars there distance as you don't get lost, and any car that cuts in too close will be in beam.... I'm sorry I don't understand any of that... |
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Oxford motorists immune from crackdowns.
On Nov 25, 8:47*am, FrengaX wrote:
On Nov 25, 8:43*am, Doug wrote: On Nov 25, 8:05*am, "Mrcheerful" wrote: In the Oxford crackdown on unlit cycles which netted 106 unlit bikes in a very short time, the police issued 30pound FPNs, but agreed to waive that if a receipt for bike lights was produced in 7 days. *The receipt was stamped by the police. *The cyclists have then been returning the lights and asking for refunds!! *The police have asked that any shop that refunds for the lights get and pass on names and addresses of the serial lawbreakers so that a 60 pound fpn can be issued.http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/archive/...ews/8672181.St... Pity the police do not conduct a similar campaign against faulty cars, probably because they are motorists themselves and therefore hate cyclists anyway, like the motorists who infest this cycling newsgroup But they do have such campaigns. The fact that they are so common means they are not reported. So it follows then that because crackdowns on cyclists are not needed very often they are reported? -- . UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill. |
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Doug wrote:
On Nov 25, 8:47 am, FrengaX wrote: On Nov 25, 8:43 am, Doug wrote: On Nov 25, 8:05 am, "Mrcheerful" wrote: In the Oxford crackdown on unlit cycles which netted 106 unlit bikes in a very short time, the police issued 30pound FPNs, but agreed to waive that if a receipt for bike lights was produced in 7 days. The receipt was stamped by the police. The cyclists have then been returning the lights and asking for refunds!! The police have asked that any shop that refunds for the lights get and pass on names and addresses of the serial lawbreakers so that a 60 pound fpn can be issued.http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/archive/...ews/8672181.St... Pity the police do not conduct a similar campaign against faulty cars, probably because they are motorists themselves and therefore hate cyclists anyway, like the motorists who infest this cycling newsgroup But they do have such campaigns. The fact that they are so common means they are not reported. So it follows then that because crackdowns on cyclists are not needed very often they are reported? or that although they are needed it is rare that they occur. |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2010, Sara wrote:
In article 4cee7776.13284921@localhost, (Cynic) wrote: OTOH a rechargable torch has almost the same advantages and they are a lot cheaper. Especially if you buy a hand-held torch instead of a bicycle light and gaffer-tape it to the handlebars ... I think the in-laws may have something lovely along those lines for me in month's time. Following Mr Tosspot's advice, i recently bought an equivalent of the gaffer tape which is slightly more acceptable in polite company: http://www.fenixtorch.co.uk/led_torches/lockblock.html It's working very well so far (Tosspot - thanks for the suggestion, by the way!). I've had bad experiences with velcro on bikes before (my rack bag is held on with it - flipping useless), but this shows no sign of coming adrift. The straps are a bit long, given the small size of the light it's holding, but it's a very minor annoyance. In terms of the torch itself, like Mr Merriman ... On Thu, 25 Nov 2010, Roger Merriman wrote: I have found that the fenix torches work well, Specifically the PD30: http://www.fenixtorch.co.uk/led_torc...x-pd30-r4.html Although that price is more than you want to spend, i think. You could try this (30 lumens is more than enough to be seen, even if not really enough to navigate at speed on pitch-black country lanes): http://www.fenixtorch.co.uk/led_torc...ix-e05-r4.html But it might actually be too small to fit in that mounting. Maybe stick it behind one ear? Anyway, for the PD30, i can confirm that ... though the beam is fairly narrow it's very bright so for pitch black nights it allows one to see, It's fantastic for navigation in the dark, even at the lower-power settings. I am slightly concerned that there isn't enough spillage of light to the side to make you visible to cars which aren't directly in front, thought. I am thinking about fitting some sort of diffuser. My only worry is about the bezel: to switch from full-power to reduced-power mode, which you need to do if you're not going to blind people about town, you twist the bezel, but this actually means unscrewing the lamp end slightly from the battery holder. It's a tiny bit, and there is an O-ring in there, but i am concerned that i am reducing the waterproofness by doing this. It seems like a bit of a shoddy design, really; i'd expect a sealed or magnetic adjuster of some sort, really, or to have all the power options selected by the switch on the back. tom -- Virtually everything you touch has been mined. -- Prof Keith Atkinson |
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On Nov 27, 2:16*pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Doug wrote: On Nov 25, 8:47 am, FrengaX wrote: On Nov 25, 8:43 am, Doug wrote: On Nov 25, 8:05 am, "Mrcheerful" wrote: In the Oxford crackdown on unlit cycles which netted 106 unlit bikes in a very short time, the police issued 30pound FPNs, but agreed to waive that if a receipt for bike lights was produced in 7 days. The receipt was stamped by the police. The cyclists have then been returning the lights and asking for refunds!! The police have asked that any shop that refunds for the lights get and pass on names and addresses of the serial lawbreakers so that a 60 pound fpn can be issued.http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/archive/...ews/8672181.St... Pity the police do not conduct a similar campaign against faulty cars, probably because they are motorists themselves and therefore hate cyclists anyway, like the motorists who infest this cycling newsgroup But they do have such campaigns. The fact that they are so common means they are not reported. So it follows then that because crackdowns on cyclists are *not needed very often they are reported? or that although they are needed it is rare that they occur. But as the harm caused by motorists is much greater than the harm caused by cyclists why do you single out the latter for your special attention? Are you trying to compensate for something? -- . UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill. |
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On Nov 28, 7:14*am, Doug wrote:
On Nov 27, 2:16*pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote: Doug wrote: On Nov 25, 8:47 am, FrengaX wrote: On Nov 25, 8:43 am, Doug wrote: On Nov 25, 8:05 am, "Mrcheerful" wrote: In the Oxford crackdown on unlit cycles which netted 106 unlit bikes in a very short time, the police issued 30pound FPNs, but agreed to waive that if a receipt for bike lights was produced in 7 days. The receipt was stamped by the police. The cyclists have then been returning the lights and asking for refunds!! The police have asked that any shop that refunds for the lights get and pass on names and addresses of the serial lawbreakers so that a 60 pound fpn can be issued.http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/archive/...ews/8672181.St... Pity the police do not conduct a similar campaign against faulty cars, probably because they are motorists themselves and therefore hate cyclists anyway, like the motorists who infest this cycling newsgroup But they do have such campaigns. The fact that they are so common means they are not reported. So it follows then that because crackdowns on cyclists are *not needed very often they are reported? or that although they are needed it is rare that they occur. But as the harm caused by motorists is much greater than the harm caused by cyclists why do you single out the latter for your special attention? Are you trying to compensate for something? -- . Motorists (and pedestrians) are less likely to harm cyclists if they can actually see and avoid them at night. That is one of the main purposes of lights on bicycles. The front light also allows the cyclist to see where he (or she) is going, and to avoid all the potholes in our appallingly maintained roads. Why are many cyclists so reluctant to fit lights when it's in their own interests to do so? Derek C |
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On Nov 28, 8:03*am, Derek C wrote:
On Nov 28, 7:14*am, Doug wrote: On Nov 27, 2:16*pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote: Doug wrote: On Nov 25, 8:47 am, FrengaX wrote: On Nov 25, 8:43 am, Doug wrote: On Nov 25, 8:05 am, "Mrcheerful" wrote: In the Oxford crackdown on unlit cycles which netted 106 unlit bikes in a very short time, the police issued 30pound FPNs, but agreed to waive that if a receipt for bike lights was produced in 7 days. The receipt was stamped by the police. The cyclists have then been returning the lights and asking for refunds!! The police have asked that any shop that refunds for the lights get and pass on names and addresses of the serial lawbreakers so that a 60 pound fpn can be issued.http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/archive/...ews/8672181.St... Pity the police do not conduct a similar campaign against faulty cars, probably because they are motorists themselves and therefore hate cyclists anyway, like the motorists who infest this cycling newsgroup But they do have such campaigns. The fact that they are so common means they are not reported. So it follows then that because crackdowns on cyclists are *not needed very often they are reported? or that although they are needed it is rare that they occur. But as the harm caused by motorists is much greater than the harm caused by cyclists why do you single out the latter for your special attention? Are you trying to compensate for something? -- . Motorists (and pedestrians) are less likely to harm cyclists if they can actually see and avoid them at night. That is one of the main purposes of lights on bicycles. The front light also allows the cyclist to see where he (or she) is going, and to avoid all the potholes in our appallingly maintained roads. Why are many cyclists so reluctant to fit lights when it's in their own interests to do so? Probably for the same reasons they see the futility of wearing hi-viz vests and helmets when in the presence of dangerous drivers, particularly those who have lost control. Also, and this seems to be an accepted fact if government adverts are anything to go by, some drivers just do not pay enough attention and thereby put other road users at serious risk, including cyclists complete with lights, vest and a helmet. -- . UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill. |
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Oxford cyclists too dim to take the break that was offered.
Derek C wrote:
Motorists (and pedestrians) are less likely to harm cyclists if they can actually see and avoid them at night. That is one of the main purposes of lights on bicycles. The front light also allows the cyclist to see where he (or she) is going, and to avoid all the potholes in our appallingly maintained roads. Why are many cyclists so reluctant to fit lights when it's in their own interests to do so? Actually the front lights specified to be fitted at night by law are pretty useless for seeing where you are going and most of us here supplement them with lights more suited to that purpose. But I suspect the real reason for the reluctance is they get stolen if you leave them on the bike so you have to remember to bring them with you and take them off whenever you leave the bike. It would be much better if manufacturers took the German approach and fitted decent dynamo sets to all their bikes. -- Tony |
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