Nashbar P-Handle Wrenches -- and thank you Royal Mail

On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 19:23:03 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/2/2018 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 5:09:42 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 1:25:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-10-31 10:43, jbeattie wrote:
So I did this CLE speaking gig for the state bar, and they gave me a
little Amazon card that I used to buy myself these uber-cheap Nashbar
p-handle hex wrenches. https://tinyurl.com/y8rrfyuf (I got via Amazon
for the same price).


That link only produces a security warning here.


... What a great set of wrenches. I don't know how
I lived without these for so long, particularly with all the recessed
brake lever bolts these days. All this time I've been using long or
standard hex wrenches or hex multi wrenches like this:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....PL._SX425_.jpg


I recently bought this, with matching pouch:

https://www.crankbrothers.com/products/m19

It appears to be almost indestructible but is too heavy for weight
weenies, over 7oz. I have it only for a few months but it already saved
the bacon twice, for other riders.

I gave one of those to my son, and the problem with that tool is that the hex wrenches are too short and certainly not anything you would want for shop work. Getting to the brake lever fixing bolt, you need a long wrench -- even with some olde tyme levers (assuming they don't have an 8mm nut), you need a longer hex wrench. Depending on the design of your bottle cage, shorty wrenches get caught up tightening the hex bolts. A lot of stuff you can do with a pocket tool, and I certainly carry one on the road, but most of the stuff I can do with a pocket tool at home, I use a click torque wrench -- something like this: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1400_.jpg Or a regular torque wrench for any fastener above 6nm.

The el-cheapo Nashbar wrenches are great for getting to the cable anchors on the new 105, the brake lever fixing bolts, bottle cage bolts, initial tightening of crank pinch bolts, etc. Next best are just long-handle hex wrenches. I use a pocket tool on the road or in a pinch around the house.

-- Jay Beattie.

You are better of taking separate 4 and 5 mm hex and, lets get crazy a torx 25 key along with an adequate length instead of these clunky crap overpriced multitools where 80% of the included tools are never used and only getting in the way using the few you might actually need.

The strategy I heard about was: Go over your bike, checking for every
fastener that might reasonably need tightened. Take tools to fit those,
plus of course whatever you need for tire repair.

Admittedly, that advice was from back in the days of hex head bolts,
slotted screws and the like. These days a 4, 5 and 6 hex key would
probably be sufficient. Anything else would be for charity cases.

I replaced all fasteners on the bike with allen head bolts and,
including the ones on my "clipless" pedals I think I carry 4 allen
wrenches. I also carry a small chain tool, two links of chain and a
"master link" whatever the correct name of the thing is. On 10 speed
chains I also carry "chain pliers" as they are necessary to open the
"master link". Plus a couple of inner tubes and a couple of plastic
"tire tools". The whole kit fits in a small under saddle pouch and
weighs less then a pound.

But, more to the point, the only thing that I can remember coming
loose on a ride was a front fender stay and that was really because of
a poorly designed clamp that slipped and not the fastener.
cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 5:43:24 PM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
So I did this CLE speaking gig for the state bar, and they gave me a little Amazon card that I used to buy myself these uber-cheap Nashbar p-handle hex wrenches. https://tinyurl.com/y8rrfyuf (I got via Amazon for the same price).

I didn't know those are called "P-handles"; suits them. I bought on impulse a case containing a set of hex (Allen) wrenches and a matched set of torn wrenches, even though I already had good quality L wrenches. They all turned out so useful (the Rohloff hub gearbox on my Kranich uses Torx wrenches) that the box stands against the wall behind my bike because most of the time those are the only tools I need. I can't remember when I last opened the ali pilot's case I use as a bicycle toolbox...

Emanuel, if you have a Lidl, they actually have good tools, though you have to wait until their tool weeks come around. I bought this box of wrenches from them for 20 Euro, and they're first class tools; exactly the same thing is only sale at a local hardware store for 50 Euro. I also have a box of 1/4in drive bits for my torque wrench that Lidl sold for Euro 20 which until I saw them at the supermarket I was eyeing at Mannesman for Euro 80, exactly the same thing, not even a different colour box.

Andre Jute
I like my toolmaker to be German, my watchmaker to be Swiss, and my cook can be either Italian for French

On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 6:19:01 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote:
jbeattie wrote:
So I did this CLE speaking gig for the state bar

Probably meaning "communist-liberal elite"eg

Nah, you need balls and a certain insensitivity to blood on the carpet to be a real commie. Lawyer-folk are at best pale pink fellow-travellers, what Lenin called "useful idiots".

Anyhow, Jay will discover soon enough that the Democratic Party has left him behind* in their leftward rush to self-immolation in identity-politics and vicarious guilt.

Andre Jute
A la lanterne!

*Not my phrase. Ronald Reagan, who was originally a Roosevelt Democrat, was asked why he left the Democrats, and replied that he didn't leave the Democrats, they left him.

On 11/2/2018 10:53 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 5:43:24 PM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
So I did this CLE speaking gig for the state bar, and they gave me a little Amazon card that I used to buy myself these uber-cheap Nashbar p-handle hex wrenches. https://tinyurl.com/y8rrfyuf (I got via Amazon for the same price).

I didn't know those are called "P-handles"; suits them. I bought on impulse a case containing a set of hex (Allen) wrenches and a matched set of torn wrenches, even though I already had good quality L wrenches. They all turned out so useful (the Rohloff hub gearbox on my Kranich uses Torx wrenches) that the box stands against the wall behind my bike because most of the time those are the only tools I need. I can't remember when I last opened the ali pilot's case I use as a bicycle toolbox...

Emanuel, if you have a Lidl, they actually have good tools, though you have to wait until their tool weeks come around. I bought this box of wrenches from them for 20 Euro, and they're first class tools; exactly the same thing is only sale at a local hardware store for 50 Euro. I also have a box of 1/4in drive bits for my torque wrench that Lidl sold for Euro 20 which until I saw them at the supermarket I was eyeing at Mannesman for Euro 80, exactly the same thing, not even a different colour box.

Andre Jute
I like my toolmaker to be German, my watchmaker to be Swiss, and my cook can be either Italian for French


heh heh.
It used to be said that in heaven the lovers are Italian,
the cooks are French, the police are English and
everything's organized by the Swiss. In Hell there are
French police, English cooks, Swiss lovers and it's all
organized by the Italians.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 10:08:21 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 6:19:01 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote:
jbeattie wrote:
So I did this CLE speaking gig for the state bar

Probably meaning "communist-liberal elite"eg

Nah, you need balls and a certain insensitivity to blood on the carpet to be a real commie. Lawyer-folk are at best pale pink fellow-travellers, what Lenin called "useful idiots".

Like Roy Cohn and Joe McCarthy?


Anyhow, Jay will discover soon enough that the Democratic Party has left him behind* in their leftward rush to self-immolation in identity-politics and vicarious guilt.

I got left behind by the Bull Moose Party and never recovered.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 10:32:45 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:

But now you have a genuine chain tool. Your macho cred is slipping away,
Joerg. To recover some cred, you'd better brag about drinking another
growler, quick!
--
- Frank Krygowski

Well..... I think if Joerg told us how he used his new fancy dandy effeminate chain tool to fight off and maybe kill and skin a mountain lion or grizzly bear that attacked him, without cause, as he rode his local trail down to the nightly pub, then he could reclaim his cred. Of course it would depend on how he killed the wild animal. If he just used his chain tool as a ninja throwing star thing and hit the animal in the neck or eye, that would not be too impressive. But if he held off the animal with his forearm as it was biting him and he used the chain tool in his other hand to beat the poor animal in the head, that would be worthy of high cred. He would need lots of scratches and teeth marks and blood to be really impressive.

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 3:02:28 PM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 10:08:21 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 6:19:01 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote:
jbeattie wrote:
So I did this CLE speaking gig for the state bar

Probably meaning "communist-liberal elite"eg

Nah, you need balls and a certain insensitivity to blood on the carpet to be a real commie. Lawyer-folk are at best pale pink fellow-travellers, what Lenin called "useful idiots".

Like Roy Cohn and Joe McCarthy?

You reckon McCarthy was a pinko-commie-fellow-traveller? That's a novel interpretation.

Anyhow, Jay will discover soon enough that the Democratic Party has left him behind* in their leftward rush to self-immolation in identity-politics and vicarious guilt.

I got left behind by the Bull Moose Party and never recovered.

A set of much worthier causes, in their historical perspective, than conforming to the straitjacket of political correctness.

Andre Jute
Before they get better, things must be made worse -- Vladimir Ulyanov

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 3:22:44 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 3:02:28 PM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 10:08:21 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 6:19:01 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote:
jbeattie wrote:
So I did this CLE speaking gig for the state bar

Probably meaning "communist-liberal elite"eg

Nah, you need balls and a certain insensitivity to blood on the carpet to be a real commie. Lawyer-folk are at best pale pink fellow-travellers, what Lenin called "useful idiots".

Like Roy Cohn and Joe McCarthy?

You reckon McCarthy was a pinko-commie-fellow-traveller? That's a novel interpretation.

No, they were both lawyers as were George Wallace and Nixon. You were talking about lawyers being pinkos.


Anyhow, Jay will discover soon enough that the Democratic Party has left him behind* in their leftward rush to self-immolation in identity-politics and vicarious guilt.

I got left behind by the Bull Moose Party and never recovered.

A set of much worthier causes, in their historical perspective, than conforming to the straitjacket of political correctness.

Be careful there, the Bull Moose Party platform included restrictions on campaign finance contributions, a reduction of the tariff and the establishment of a social insurance system, an eight-hour workday and women's suffrage.


-- Jay Beattie.

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 1:25:18 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/2/2018 10:53 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 5:43:24 PM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
So I did this CLE speaking gig for the state bar, and they gave me a little Amazon card that I used to buy myself these uber-cheap Nashbar p-handle hex wrenches. https://tinyurl.com/y8rrfyuf (I got via Amazon for the same price).

I didn't know those are called "P-handles"; suits them. I bought on impulse a case containing a set of hex (Allen) wrenches and a matched set of torn wrenches, even though I already had good quality L wrenches. They all turned out so useful (the Rohloff hub gearbox on my Kranich uses Torx wrenches) that the box stands against the wall behind my bike because most of the time those are the only tools I need. I can't remember when I last opened the ali pilot's case I use as a bicycle toolbox...

Emanuel, if you have a Lidl, they actually have good tools, though you have to wait until their tool weeks come around. I bought this box of wrenches from them for 20 Euro, and they're first class tools; exactly the same thing is only sale at a local hardware store for 50 Euro. I also have a box of 1/4in drive bits for my torque wrench that Lidl sold for Euro 20 which until I saw them at the supermarket I was eyeing at Mannesman for Euro 80, exactly the same thing, not even a different colour box.

Andre Jute
I like my toolmaker to be German, my watchmaker to be Swiss, and my cook can be either Italian for French


heh heh.
It used to be said that in heaven the lovers are Italian,
the cooks are French, the police are English and
everything's organized by the Swiss. In Hell there are
French police, English cooks, Swiss lovers and it's all
organized by the Italians.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Involuntarily laughing out loud. I like your version better. -- AJ

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 10:51:57 PM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 3:22:44 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 3:02:28 PM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 10:08:21 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 6:19:01 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote:
jbeattie wrote:
So I did this CLE speaking gig for the state bar

Probably meaning "communist-liberal elite"eg

Nah, you need balls and a certain insensitivity to blood on the carpet to be a real commie. Lawyer-folk are at best pale pink fellow-travellers, what Lenin called "useful idiots".

Like Roy Cohn and Joe McCarthy?

You reckon McCarthy was a pinko-commie-fellow-traveller? That's a novel interpretation.

No, they were both lawyers as were George Wallace and Nixon. You were talking about lawyers being pinkos.

I know. I suppose I could have been more explicit in pointing out that you were avoiding my point about the majority of lawyers *todAY*

Anyhow, Jay will discover soon enough that the Democratic Party has left him behind* in their leftward rush to self-immolation in identity-politics and vicarious guilt.

I got left behind by the Bull Moose Party and never recovered.

A set of much worthier causes, in their historical perspective, than conforming to the straitjacket of political correctness.

Be careful there, the Bull Moose Party platform included restrictions on campaign finance contributions, a reduction of the tariff and the establishment of a social insurance system, an eight-hour workday and women's suffrage.


-- Jay Beattie.