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Tour de France, stage 17 summary
Changes in stage 17 compared to stage 16 Biggest gainers by position : +21 Gert Steegmans +20 Pieter Weening +17 Nicolas Vogondy +17 David Moncoutie +16 Gorka Verdugo +16 Florent Brard +13 Laurent Lefevre +12 Chris Froome +9 David Lopez Garcia +8 Martin Elmiger Biggest losers by position : -11 Johann Tschopp -11 Juan Antonio Flecha -11 Murilo Fischer -11 Sebastian Lang -11 Simon Gerrans -9 Remi Pauriol -8 David Le Lay -8 Filippo Pozzato -8 Ivan Gutierrez -8 Luis Leon Sanchez -8 Nicolas Portal Biggest gainers by time : +0:49 Carlos Sastre Biggest losers by time : -37:21 Heinrich Haussler -37:21 Ruben Perez -37:11 Adam Hansen -37:11 Aleksandr Kuschynski -37:11 Arnaud Coyot -37:11 Arnaud Gerard -37:11 Benoit Vaugrenard -37:11 Bernhard Eisel -37:11 Brett Lancaster -37:11 Christophe Brandt -37:11 Christophe Riblon Favourites by position : +3 Carlos Sastre +2 Andy Schleck +1 Vladimir Efimkin +1 Samuel Sanchez +1 George Hincapie +1 Alejandro Valverde -1 Frank Schleck -1 Cadel Evans -2 Jens Voigt -2 Damiano Cunego -4 Kim Kirchen Favourites by time : +0:49 Carlos Sastre -1:14 Samuel Sanchez -1:14 Andy Schleck -1:24 Frank Schleck -1:24 Alejandro Valverde -1:26 Vladimir Efimkin -1:26 Denis Menchov -1:26 Christian Vande Velde -1:26 Cadel Evans -4:43 Damiano Cunego -5:12 Kim Kirchen -23:29 George Hincapie -27:13 Jens Voigt Top 3 and favourites standings : 1 Carlos Sastre 74.39.03 2 Frank Schleck 1.24 3 Bernhard Kohl 1.33 4 Cadel Evans 1.34 5 Denis Menchov 2.39 6 Christian Vande Velde 4.41 7 Alejandro Valverde 5.35 8 Samuel Sanchez 5.52 ..... 10 Vladimir Efimkin 8.24 11 Kim Kirchen 8.35 12 Andy Schleck 10.15 ..... 14 Damiano Cunego 12.26 ..... 37 George Hincapie 1.08.28 ..... 39 Jens Voigt 1.11.31 Retirements to date : Stage Oscar Pereiro (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne 15 Mark Cavendish (GBr) Columbia 15 Mauricio Soler (Col) Barloworld 5 Felix Rafael Cardenas (Col) Barloworld 11 Baden Cooke (Aus) Barloworld 12 Moises Duenas (Spa) Barloworld 11 Paolo Longo Borghini (Ita) Barloworld 11 Manuel Beltran (Spa) Liquigas 8 Francesco Chicchi (Ita) Liquigas 16 Mark Renshaw (Aus) Credit Agricole 15 Stijn Devolder (Bel) Quick Step 15 Mauro Facci (Ita) Quick Step 7 John Gadret (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 7 Christophe Moreau (Fra) Agritubel 7 Jimmy Casper (Fra) Agritubel 17 Nicolas Jalabert (Fra) Agritubel 14 Iouri Trofimov (Rus) Bouygues Telecom 10 Sebastien Chavanel (Fra) Francaise des Jeux 16 Lilian Jegou (Fra) Francaise des Jeux 7 Riccardo Ricco (Ita) Saunier Duval-Scott 12 Rubens Bertogliati (Swi) Saunier Duval-Scott 12 Juan Jose Cobo (Spa) Saunier Duval-Scott 12 David De La Fuente (Spa) Saunier Duval-Scott 12 Jesus Del Nero (Spa) Saunier Duval-Scott 12 Angel Gomez Gomez (Spa) Saunier Duval-Scott 3 Josep Jufre (Spa) Saunier Duval-Scott 12 Aurelien Passeron (Fra) Saunier Duval-Scott 6 Leonardo Piepoli (Ita) Saunier Duval-Scott 12 Herve Duclos-Lassalle (Fra) Cofidis 1 Magnus Backstedt (Swe) Garmin Chipotle - H30 7 Total retirements : 30 |
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Tour de France, stage 17 summary
Bob Martin a écrit profondement:
| | Changes in stage 17 compared to stage 16 | | Favourites by time : | +0:49 Carlos Sastre | -1:14 Samuel Sanchez | -1:14 Andy Schleck | -1:24 Frank Schleck | -1:24 Alejandro Valverde | -1:26 Vladimir Efimkin | -1:26 Denis Menchov | -1:26 Christian Vande Velde | -1:26 Cadel Evans | -4:43 Damiano Cunego | -5:12 Kim Kirchen | -23:29 George Hincapie | -27:13 Jens Voigt Just straighten Old Davey out will you Bob? How do you compute "Favourites Gain by time" for the GC leader when that individual was not GC leader the previous stage? -- Davey Crockett |
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Tour de France, stage 17 summary
On Jul 23, 9:57*am, Bob Martin wrote:
Biggest gainers by time : * * +0:49 * Carlos Sastre snip Dumbass - You might consider changing the code in your bot a little. As you know, Sastre gained more than 0:49. Your code is comparing him to himself today (yellow) vs. himself yesterday instead of himself today (yellow) and Schleck yesterday (yellow). MIsleading. thanks, K. Gringioni. |
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Tour de France, stage 17 summary
in 42976 20080723 182130 Davey Crockett wrote:
Bob Martin a �crit profondement: | | Changes in stage 17 compared to stage 16 | | Favourites by time : | +0:49 Carlos Sastre | -1:14 Samuel Sanchez | -1:14 Andy Schleck | -1:24 Frank Schleck | -1:24 Alejandro Valverde | -1:26 Vladimir Efimkin | -1:26 Denis Menchov | -1:26 Christian Vande Velde | -1:26 Cadel Evans | -4:43 Damiano Cunego | -5:12 Kim Kirchen | -23:29 George Hincapie | -27:13 Jens Voigt Just straighten Old Davey out will you Bob? How do you compute "Favourites Gain by time" for the GC leader when that individual was not GC leader the previous stage? -- Davey Crockett Quite simple : this morning he was 4th at 49 secs, tonight he is 1st at 0.00 therefore he has gained 49 seconds. |
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Tour de France, stage 17 summary
in 42994 20080723 185559 Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
On Jul 23, 9:57=A0am, Bob Martin wrote: Biggest gainers by time : =A0 =A0 +0:49 =A0 Carlos Sastre snip Dumbass - You might consider changing the code in your bot a little. As you know, Sastre gained more than 0:49. Your code is comparing him to himself today (yellow) vs. himself yesterday instead of himself today (yellow) and Schleck yesterday (yellow). MIsleading. thanks, K. Gringioni. See my answer to Davey. |
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Tour de France, stage 17 summary
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Bob Martin wrote: in 42976 20080723 182130 Davey Crockett wrote: Bob Martin a �crit profondement: | | Changes in stage 17 compared to stage 16 | | Favourites by time : | +0:49 Carlos Sastre | -1:14 Samuel Sanchez | -1:14 Andy Schleck | -1:24 Frank Schleck | -1:24 Alejandro Valverde | -1:26 Vladimir Efimkin | -1:26 Denis Menchov | -1:26 Christian Vande Velde | -1:26 Cadel Evans | -4:43 Damiano Cunego | -5:12 Kim Kirchen | -23:29 George Hincapie | -27:13 Jens Voigt Just straighten Old Davey out will you Bob? How do you compute "Favourites Gain by time" for the GC leader when that individual was not GC leader the previous stage? -- Davey Crockett Quite simple : this morning he was 4th at 49 secs, tonight he is 1st at 0.00 therefore he has gained 49 seconds. I think there might be one other algorithm. How about showing this time gain as nth-to-1st PLUS the gap to 2nd? I think that shows, as best as possible, the true time advantage as best as possible. In your formula, it doesn't seem to matter if Sastre finished 1 second or 1 hour ahead of the second place rider. In my formula, that's accounted for. Showing the time gain relative to the former leader wouldn't account for, for example, what happens when a leader drops out of contention, because it would show large but meaningless time gains. My method also hews closer to what you do on days when the leader keeps the jersey and gains on all rivals: time advantage is listed as however much more time he has over 2nd, even if a different rider is in 2nd today. It seems strange to benchmark the yellow jersey against second place, but much like bidding on eBay, he's fundamentally the guy who determines the effort (or interestingness) required to win the Tour. -- Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/ "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls." "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them." |
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