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AMuzi wrote:
Jay Beattie wrote: On Jun 24, 7:59 pm, John Thompson wrote: On 2009-06-24, wrote: And if you love friction shifting, its probably wonderful. But if you love friction shifting, then whatever you are riding right now will shift the same as this bike. No performance upgrade to be had. Meh. Campy friction shifters were nothing special. People who wanted better shifters installed Simplex "retrofriction" shifters instead of Campy. Only the dorks used Simplex. The hard core stuck with Campy friction shifters and suffered for fashion. It was a built in excuse for getting dropped out of a finishing sprint. That and defective toe clip straps. -- Jay Beattie. Huh. I though the usual protocol after losing a sprint was to throw the bicycle and yell at the mechanic. Isn't that the lost-ITT protocol? Mark J. |
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On Jun 25, 2:30*pm, Still Just Me...
wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:28:33 -0700 (PDT), Jay Beattie wrote: Only the dorks used Simplex. *The hard core stuck with Campy friction shifters and suffered for fashion. It was a built in excuse for getting dropped out of a finishing sprint. *That and defective toe clip straps. -- Jay Beattie. So "dorks" = "intelligent" and typically "winner" ? Most of the regular winners were on Campagnolo top to bottom. These same Campy loyalists were still riding NR/SR derailleurs years after the dorks had switched to SIS -- which the loyalists regarded as Fisher-Price toys for the unsophisticated and over-compensated. After that wore off and the serious riders jumped ship to Shimano, Campy whirled down the toilet for a few years. Then came Ergo, and the rest is history. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Jun 24, 8:37*am, jim beam wrote:
eh? *so you're going to "repair" a buckled tube? *or straighten and use a bent brake lever? *don't think so trevor! Brake levers are, in my experience, quite ductile, and almost always very lightly stressed. I've bent them to customize them for people with small hands. They've worked fine for years, with never a failure. I know this response will trigger jim beam abuse, but truth often does. - Frank Krygowski |
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On 24 June, 13:37, jim beam wrote:
RonSonic wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:33:43 -0700, jim beam wrote: someone wrote: On 24 June, 00:55, RonSonic wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:52:50 -0500, AMuzi wrote: RonSonic wrote: Has drillium reached the age of retro cool? Or is it not yet time for it to appear again? I'm refitting an old bike and need to know whether to break out the drill press and start jigging things. The bar is higher now: http://www.raydobbins.com/ebay/bike-...s_for_sale.htm Got a couple hundred hours to spare? Nice. Amazing he can sell it for that given the time and parts budget this thing absorbed. But it's enough for him to afford to do another so it's probably enough. I don't even know who made my mongrel so we'll just let the thoroughbreds like that be. Components usually end up getting polished and/or lightened because of crash damage. *Todays carbon parts will fetch a premiun in forty years time because few will survive the crash damage. eh? *that erroneously presumes it's as strong as traditional materials. *in fact, quality cfrp is stronger. *thus it'll break less frequently, not more. We'll really have to see how it ages. My personal experience with carbon is limited but favorable. How well the stuff holds up for the general market will vary according to application and the implementation of new breakrhroughs in cutting corners. my cfrp commuter fork is 20 years old and is holding up just great. What about those cracks by the tyre line, dont they count? I thought that was a case for imminent failure. No steep downhillers have you? |
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On 25 June, 03:59, John Thompson wrote:
On 2009-06-24, wrote: And if you love friction shifting, its probably wonderful. *But if you love friction shifting, then whatever you are riding right now will shift the same as this bike. *No performance upgrade to be had. Meh. Campy friction shifters were nothing special. People who wanted better shifters installed Simplex "retrofriction" shifters instead of Campy. The old record dt shifters were beautiful. This was an obvious belief held by all users due to the amount of head on crashes they experienced when they were looking at their shifters. That the Simplex shifters were easy to grab and worked perfectly was no match for the appearance and feel of the record levers. Much time was spent carressing the curvacious lines of the record levers. Sun tour and Simplex just didn't have that same magnetism extolled by the record levers. I preferred the (Nouvo) Gran Sport kit. I think the lines on these were at least every bit as good as the Record. The record was more usable when sharing the same chainring mountings as the track. |
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Nate Nagel wrote:
hey, I *like* rat rods and wooden boats! I think that if I saw a primer black '53 Stude pulling an old Hemi-powered Cigarette I might explode in a retro-cool joyfulness overload. I think you're mistaking cigarette boats, which were/are offshore racers made of glass, starting in the '60's (Donzi's, etc., used to smuggle cigarettes) with an earlier generation of speedboat, like the old Chris Craft's that were used to smuggle whiskey during prohibition ("rum runners"). The owner of the marina where I've kept my sailboat for 35 years restores old Chris Craft's. He set up one exactly the way they were raced in the '20's, complete with a fully restored WWI Hispano-Suiza seaplane engine. He and a friend contemplated buying the "Miss Bardahl": http://www.missbardahl.com/ an unlimited class hydroplane for full restoration. That puppy has a WWII Rolls Royce "Merlin" engine (3,000 hp). They decided not to when they realized ownership might be fatal (180 mph). Those guys were some serious motorheads. Rum runners with hemi's were their every day drivers. Nice to see that someone has finally restored the Miss Bardahl, perhaps the most famous motor boat ever raced. |
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Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Jun 24, 8:37 am, jim beam wrote: eh? so you're going to "repair" a buckled tube? or straighten and use a bent brake lever? don't think so trevor! Brake levers are, in my experience, quite ductile, and almost always very lightly stressed. I've bent them to customize them for people with small hands. They've worked fine for years, with never a failure. but how did you "stress relieve" then? becuase we all know cold work induces residual stress and thus subsequent triggers failure... I know this response will trigger jim beam abuse, but truth often does. ye olde passive-aggressive bait? because you don't know what you're ****ing talking about so want a fight instead? you're a ****ing idiot krygowski. |
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On 29 June, 01:48, Still Just Me...
wrote: On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:15:14 -0400, RonSonic wrote: http://home.comcast.net/~carlfogel/d...a_1970__0_.jpg http://home.comcast.net/~carlfogel/d...a_1970__1_.jpg http://home.comcast.net/~carlfogel/d...a_1970__2_.jpg http://home.comcast.net/~carlfogel/d...a_1970__3_.jpg More sweet stuff. Thanks Jobst and Lee. Yeah, this stuff is cool ... still. Probably never be a mainstream look again, but as a functional folk art it's somewhere between rat rods and wooden boats. Like the previous, this stuff goes past practical, to static artwork. Drillium is very nice when the part retains functionality. When you pass that point, it's only interesting. Functionality does not need to be ugly. I'm all for art and function, but not art without function. Exceptions for purely entertainment purposes are not discouraged. I dislike the destruction of componentry of good artistic merit, such as the nouvo record rear mech, with the pretense that the component is artistically improved whilst retaining functionality. Most of those drilled mechs I have seen listed here are poor examples of the art which have destroyed otherwise good equipment. The nouvo record is the perfect mech for half step setup of whichn o modern mech can challenge. Please pick ugly equipment to practise the art. Something that can only be improved. |
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On 2009-06-29, Still Just Me wrote:
Like the previous, this stuff goes past practical, to static artwork. Drillium is very nice when the part retains functionality. When you pass that point, it's only interesting. I rode this for many years, until I decided 53-42 gearing was too high for my old legs: http://os2.dhs.org/~john/campy-drillium1.jpeg -- -John ) |
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On Jun 28, 7:03*pm, someone wrote:
On 29 June, 01:48, Still Just Me... wrote: On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:15:14 -0400, RonSonic wrote: http://home.comcast.net/~carlfogel/d...a_1970__0_.jpg http://home.comcast.net/~carlfogel/d...a_1970__1_.jpg http://home.comcast.net/~carlfogel/d...a_1970__2_.jpg http://home.comcast.net/~carlfogel/d...a_1970__3_.jpg More sweet stuff. Thanks Jobst and Lee. Yeah, this stuff is cool ... still. Probably never be a mainstream look again, but as a functional folk art it's somewhere between rat rods and wooden boats. Like the previous, this stuff goes past practical, to static artwork. Drillium is very nice when the part retains functionality. When you pass that point, it's only interesting. Functionality does not need to be ugly. *I'm all for art and function, but not art without function. *Exceptions for purely entertainment purposes are not discouraged. *I dislike the destruction of componentry of good artistic merit, such as the nouvo record rear mech, with the pretense that the component is artistically improved whilst retaining functionality. *Most of those drilled mechs I have seen listed here are poor examples of the art which have destroyed otherwise good equipment. *The nouvo record is the perfect mech for half step setup of whichn o modern mech can challenge. *Please pick ugly equipment to practise the art. *Something that can only be improved.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I have to ask: what exactly IS art? When you aver that that you don't agree with art without function, what are we to make of classic paintings or sculptures - or any other inanimate object created by man? Are they only art if they serve a function? No. They are art in the mind of whomever appreciates them for the beauty they convey to the beholder. I'm sure the guy with the 22" chrome spinners regards his bling as art - I don't happen to agree, but I won't begrudge him his opinion. Just because a bicycle component has been modified past it's usefulness in application likewise does not mean it hasn't become art to someone. Fortunately, I myself only do that on the rare occasion - now, only if I'm commissioned to do so. I personally like to do stuff that can still be used for it's intended purpose, but as it's said, different strokes for different folks. It's an aesthetic thing the newer generations will just not understand: the time, imagination and - most importantly, patience - that goes into something like this makes it what it is in the final analysis. Trying to speak for one and all regarding what is art and what is not is an absolute exercise in futility. Check out that Chevy V-8 lawn ornament in front of the double-wide if you don't believe me... |
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