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Some bicycling is really expensive for parts
On 2018-08-05 12:20, Roger Merriman wrote:
Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-05 08:48, Roger Merriman wrote: Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-04 17:24, Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Buy them elsewhere. Fat tires still have that "novelty mark-up". https://www.amazon.com/XL-Studded-12.../dp/B00M2LME1S However, I generally do not spend more than $20 for an MTB tire. IME you often do not get what you pay for with bike stuff. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. It's fashion surcharges. When I was in a bike shop in Placerville and saw a 50T cassette for the first time my jaw almost dropped when they told me it's "only" $299. No way. Wait a few years and live with 40T until they come down in price. When they do I might put one on the road bike as I get older. I’ve found for road bikes there isn’t a huge difference in tyres, at least 23-28mm road race. But that MTB or even Gravel bikes more expensive ones do matter, not so much rolling resistance but grip, ie better designed tread with better ie softer gripper compound, if you live somewhere dry probably doesn’t matter as much. In the winter it gets very wet and muddy here but I haven't seen much of a difference between low cost Asian MTB tires and Western "brand name" ones. Regarding reliability there is a difference. I found the side walls on Asian tires to be more sturdy and that is most important to me. They might be an ounce or two heavier but, oh well. I suspect Welsh wet and muddy is a scale up, bear in mind the hills swallow stuff, like planes etc. The Sudbury hill across from our house has also swallowed a plane, an Aircoupe with a couple in there, didn't survive :-( The posh tyres I use are trail/enduro so they have reinforced sidewalls, not as heavy as a DH tyre but not far off, come in just a touch under a 1KG and thus far have shrugged off rock strikes etc, they do come in a Trail park Version ie hard wearing compound, but I like grip so take the wear rate hit. The cheap tyres I’ve used haven’t been worth it as ever mileage varies. My experience is different but mine are 29". Maybe that market is different. It isn't so much the compound that gives grip but the knobbies. When those wear off fast or some tear out the grip on inclines will eventually get so bad that the tire needs to be replaced. "Brand name" tires usually lasted my 500mi, the Thai ones sometimes go up to 800mi. People use MTB for transportation and utility rides in this area so cost per mile matters a bit. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Some bicycling is really expensive for parts
On 04/08/2018 8:24 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers Maybe it's the gold... https://ca.ciclimattio.com/s/sram/xg...=24405&m=38877 FWIW, MEC isn't usually the place with the best prices for bikes. For their own brands maybe but my LBS has pretty much the same price as MEC for most parts. |
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Some bicycling is really expensive for parts
On 04/08/2018 11:47 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 17:24:35 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers I suspect that is very much a matter of "you want it, we got it". the extra cost of making a 12 speed cassette would be the cost of making two more cassette cogs, assuming a road bike type cassette. Many cogs appear to be stamped out so once the tooling is paid for it would be a matter of Stamp, Stamp. Plus, of course the cost of the steel plate used. I'm fairly sure that this is true of most bicycle parts and components. -- Cheers, John B. 2 more than what? 11 speed is pretty standard these days. Anyway, you can find 12 speed cassettes for a lot less than the one SRA listed. I don't think it's the extra cog that makes it that expensive. |
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Some bicycling is really expensive for parts
On 05/08/2018 12:08 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 8:24:37 PM UTC-4, Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers Addendum. When I made the original post it was because I marveled at the very high price of that tire, cassette and chain. How can any manufacturer justify such a high price for a tire or a cassette? Cheers I guess it depends on the target market. I am amazed the prices Specialized gets for S-Works Venge but that's mostly because I would never appreciate the difference between that and my Tarmac. Except maybe watching Froome take the tour by 12 seconds or something. |
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Some bicycling is really expensive for parts
On 8/4/2018 5:24 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers Why would you think that prices are based on the cost of raw materials or production? |
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Some bicycling is really expensive for parts
On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 5:24:37 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers You want ridiculous . . . sorry, Andrew, but really? http://www.bikeattack.com/bianchi-eroica-sale/ MSRP $4K on sale for only $3,700 -- for Dia-compe CP brakes and a knock-off three-spider crank of yore that I wouldn't have bought back in the "pre-1987" era, which is apparently the index point for "old." https://magazine.bikesoup.com/bianchi-leroica This frame looks like something from the '60s, however, and certainly pre-77-ish when most of the manufacturers started trending towards braze-on TT cable guides. The old style cable clips allow you to snag your wool shorts on little bolt-ends. Always a feature I liked. My son saw the brake cables and worried about strangulation hazard, but I told him that back in the days of yore, us hard men accepted that risk. I love the bike soup article: "it's not being geeky and pretentious about vintage mechanics or a manufacturing process of a time gone by, it's about getting into the spirit of a style of racing that is seemingly far-removed from what we have now. It's a handsome sort of riding where pastries were as important as the climbs and style was as abundant as the passion. Long live Eroica events, and bikes like the Bianchi L'Eroica, for keeping the spirit of those legends and their endurances alive. It may be a new bike, but the smile it creates is as old as the sport itself." Pffff. I about blew my coffee out. WTF? Racing has always been about hacking a lung -- it certainly wasn't about looking good and eating pastries because pastries were as important as the climbs, at least not when I started in the '70s. You wore a bunch of wooly stuff because that's what was on the market or what was sold as mandatory team gear. You rode Italiano frames with BBs that wanted to unscrew, friction shifting crap, nail-on cleats and then went out and beat yourself to death unless you were that genetic freak who made it look easy. I think the bikesoup people are smoking something. -- Jay Beattie. |
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Some bicycling is really expensive for parts
On 8/6/2018 12:02 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 5:24:37 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers You want ridiculous . . . sorry, Andrew, but really? http://www.bikeattack.com/bianchi-eroica-sale/ MSRP $4K on sale for only $3,700 -- for Dia-compe CP brakes and a knock-off three-spider crank of yore that I wouldn't have bought back in the "pre-1987" era, which is apparently the index point for "old." https://magazine.bikesoup.com/bianchi-leroica This frame looks like something from the '60s, however, and certainly pre-77-ish when most of the manufacturers started trending towards braze-on TT cable guides. The old style cable clips allow you to snag your wool shorts on little bolt-ends. Always a feature I liked. My son saw the brake cables and worried about strangulation hazard, but I told him that back in the days of yore, us hard men accepted that risk. I love the bike soup article: "it's not being geeky and pretentious about vintage mechanics or a manufacturing process of a time gone by, it's about getting into the spirit of a style of racing that is seemingly far-removed from what we have now. It's a handsome sort of riding where pastries were as important as the climbs and style was as abundant as the passion. Long live Eroica events, and bikes like the Bianchi L'Eroica, for keeping the spirit of those legends and their endurances alive. It may be a new bike, but the smile it creates is as old as the sport itself." Pffff. I about blew my coffee out. WTF? Racing has always been about hacking a lung -- it certainly wasn't about looking good and eating pastries because pastries were as important as the climbs, at least not when I started in the '70s. You wore a bunch of wooly stuff because that's what was on the market or what was sold as mandatory team gear. You rode Italiano frames with BBs that wanted to unscrew, friction shifting crap, nail-on cleats and then went out and beat yourself to death unless you were that genetic freak who made it look easy. I think the bikesoup people are smoking something. People race all kings of vintage hardwa http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6197/6...ebee0359_z.jpg and classic motorcycles, airplanes, boats (probably old horses too for all I know) -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Some bicycling is really expensive for parts
On 06/08/2018 1:02 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 5:24:37 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers You want ridiculous . . . sorry, Andrew, but really? http://www.bikeattack.com/bianchi-eroica-sale/ MSRP $4K on sale for only $3,700 -- for Dia-compe CP brakes and a knock-off three-spider crank of yore that I wouldn't have bought back in the "pre-1987" era, which is apparently the index point for "old." https://magazine.bikesoup.com/bianchi-leroica This frame looks like something from the '60s, however, and certainly pre-77-ish when most of the manufacturers started trending towards braze-on TT cable guides. The old style cable clips allow you to snag your wool shorts on little bolt-ends. Always a feature I liked. My son saw the brake cables and worried about strangulation hazard, but I told him that back in the days of yore, us hard men accepted that risk. I love the bike soup article: "it's not being geeky and pretentious about vintage mechanics or a manufacturing process of a time gone by, it's about getting into the spirit of a style of racing that is seemingly far-removed from what we have now. It's a handsome sort of riding where pastries were as important as the climbs and style was as abundant as the passion. Long live Eroica events, and bikes like the Bianchi L'Eroica, for keeping the spirit of those legends and their endurances alive. It may be a new bike, but the smile it creates is as old as the sport itself." Pffff. I about blew my coffee out. WTF? Racing has always been about hacking a lung -- it certainly wasn't about looking good and eating pastries because pastries were as important as the climbs, at least not when I started in the '70s. You wore a bunch of wooly stuff because that's what was on the market or what was sold as mandatory team gear. You rode Italiano frames with BBs that wanted to unscrew, friction shifting crap, nail-on cleats and then went out and beat yourself to death unless you were that genetic freak who made it look easy. I think the bikesoup people are smoking something. -- Jay Beattie. I don't know. I bought a Bianchi Volpe around that time for $800. In today's dollars, depending on how you calculate it, that's around $2000 today. |
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Some bicycling is really expensive for parts
On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 1:02:24 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 5:24:37 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers You want ridiculous . . . sorry, Andrew, but really? http://www.bikeattack.com/bianchi-eroica-sale/ MSRP $4K on sale for only $3,700 -- for Dia-compe CP brakes and a knock-off three-spider crank of yore that I wouldn't have bought back in the "pre-1987" era, which is apparently the index point for "old." https://magazine.bikesoup.com/bianchi-leroica Snipped Right, price is high. At the bottom of that page there's a 2017 Bianchi Volpe that's less than 1/3 the price of that Eroica. Cheers |
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Some bicycling is really expensive for parts
On 8/6/2018 12:02 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 5:24:37 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers You want ridiculous . . . sorry, Andrew, but really? http://www.bikeattack.com/bianchi-eroica-sale/ MSRP $4K on sale for only $3,700 -- for Dia-compe CP brakes and a knock-off three-spider crank of yore that I wouldn't have bought back in the "pre-1987" era, which is apparently the index point for "old." https://magazine.bikesoup.com/bianchi-leroica This frame looks like something from the '60s, however, and certainly pre-77-ish when most of the manufacturers started trending towards braze-on TT cable guides. The old style cable clips allow you to snag your wool shorts on little bolt-ends. Always a feature I liked. My son saw the brake cables and worried about strangulation hazard, but I told him that back in the days of yore, us hard men accepted that risk. I love the bike soup article: "it's not being geeky and pretentious about vintage mechanics or a manufacturing process of a time gone by, it's about getting into the spirit of a style of racing that is seemingly far-removed from what we have now. It's a handsome sort of riding where pastries were as important as the climbs and style was as abundant as the passion. Long live Eroica events, and bikes like the Bianchi L'Eroica, for keeping the spirit of those legends and their endurances alive. It may be a new bike, but the smile it creates is as old as the sport itself." Pffff. I about blew my coffee out. WTF? Racing has always been about hacking a lung -- it certainly wasn't about looking good and eating pastries because pastries were as important as the climbs, at least not when I started in the '70s. You wore a bunch of wooly stuff because that's what was on the market or what was sold as mandatory team gear. You rode Italiano frames with BBs that wanted to unscrew, friction shifting crap, nail-on cleats and then went out and beat yourself to death unless you were that genetic freak who made it look easy. I think the bikesoup people are smoking something. -- Jay Beattie. Nice looking to some riders but the ad copy is pathetic. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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