FINALLY a Bit of Honesty from a Mountain Biker!

On 13 Jun 2007 12:10:07 GMT, Chris wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote in
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:05:09 -0700, wrote:

On Jun 7, 7:55 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
Mon, 4 Jun 2007:http://bb.nsmb.com/showthread.php?t=893&page=5:
You need to slow the hell down before you pass people on the trails.
Make it a point, especially if you're sneaking up behind them. Nobody
likes being startled, especially if they're out for a Sunday walk in
the woods. Not only that, but our bikes are basically 2-wheeled 4x4
trucks. The tires kick up a lot of dust and it sucks to be a hiker and
inhale that ****.

If you don't like being passed by mountain bikes on trails the simply
thing is to stay off of the trails yourself.

Learn to read. I never said that. I don't hike trails where bikes are
allowed. It's no fun.


Mike
So you admit that you hike. Hiking does have an impact on the habitat,
maybe to a lesser degree than mountain biking, but yet an impact.

Why would you CHOOSE to destroy habitat by hiking???

By your own admission, hiking scares away anaimals near the trail, your
shoes (Im sure you would never wear rough soled boots into a wild habitat)
destroy small plants and animals.

So I ask again,

Mike
Why would you CHOOSE to destroy habitat by hiking?
You should be ashamed of yourself

Chris Foster

Because it's the least-impact way of enjoying nature. DUH!
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:40:47 -0700, wrote:

On Jun 13, 5:10 am, Chris wrote:

So you admit that you hike. Hiking does have an impact on the habitat,
maybe to a lesser degree than mountain biking, but yet an impact.

I have personally investigate the difference between bicycle tracks
and footprints on the environment.

Walking digs large gouges out of soft ground that bicycles roll over
leaving hardly a mark with their much lower loading due to larger
surface area and little to no impact as walking does every step as the
heal strikes the ground.

I have also watched bikes ride along a narrow ledge without a problem
and then watch as following hikers footsteps caused sections of the
ledge to collapse and fall down the hill. The hikers thought the
destruction of these trails was quite funny. Lots of laughing there.

The fact is that although mountain bikes ridden incorrectly can cause
some trail damage it is almost always a great deal less important than
that caused by footprints.

BS. The SCIENCE says otherwise: http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/scb7.
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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Jun 16, 10:20 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:27:56 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 12, 10:03 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help?

You're an idiot. What could pure habitat possibly be for a human
except net disadvantageous? You can't even admire it visually.

Seehttp://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/india3. We benefit from, and in
fact can't live without, other species. No surprize that a mountain
biker doesn't know that.

1) I have never mountain biked in my life, you cross post this
nonsense to the four winds.

2) You can't benefit from a species you exclude yourself from all
contact with. It's not a very easy point to miss.

Mike Vandeman wrote in
:

On 13 Jun 2007 12:10:07 GMT, Chris wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote in
m:

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:05:09 -0700, wrote:

On Jun 7, 7:55 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
Mon, 4 Jun 2007:http://bb.nsmb.com/showthread.php?t=893&page=5:
You need to slow the hell down before you pass people on the
trails. Make it a point, especially if you're sneaking up behind
them. Nobody likes being startled, especially if they're out for a
Sunday walk in the woods. Not only that, but our bikes are
basically 2-wheeled 4x4 trucks. The tires kick up a lot of dust
and it sucks to be a hiker and inhale that ****.

If you don't like being passed by mountain bikes on trails the
simply thing is to stay off of the trails yourself.

Learn to read. I never said that. I don't hike trails where bikes
are allowed. It's no fun.


Mike
So you admit that you hike. Hiking does have an impact on the
habitat, maybe to a lesser degree than mountain biking, but yet an
impact.

Why would you CHOOSE to destroy habitat by hiking???

By your own admission, hiking scares away anaimals near the trail,
your shoes (Im sure you would never wear rough soled boots into a wild
habitat) destroy small plants and animals.

So I ask again,

Mike
Why would you CHOOSE to destroy habitat by hiking?
You should be ashamed of yourself

Chris Foster

Because it's the least-impact way of enjoying nature. DUH!


The least-impact way would to not to venture out into nature at all.
But yet you choose to to insert yourself into nature and help detroy the
very thing you wish to protect. So, I ask you again: Why would you
CHOOSE to destroy habitat by hiking?



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On Jun 16, 10:21 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:

Why would you CHOOSE to destroy habitat by hiking?
You should be ashamed of yourself

Chris Foster

Because it's the least-impact way of enjoying nature. DUH!


How about if you follow same ideals in this newsgroup, enjoy it in the
least impactful way by not posting.

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 07:56:32 -0700, wrote:

On Jun 16, 10:20 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:27:56 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 12, 10:03 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help?

You're an idiot. What could pure habitat possibly be for a human
except net disadvantageous? You can't even admire it visually.

Seehttp://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/india3. We benefit from, and in
fact can't live without, other species. No surprize that a mountain
biker doesn't know that.

1) I have never mountain biked in my life, you cross post this
nonsense to the four winds.

2) You can't benefit from a species you exclude yourself from all
contact with. It's not a very easy point to miss.

Thanks for demonstrating just how ignorant mountain bikers are. The
xygen you breathe is provided mostly by algae & bacteria in the ocean.
Etc.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:56:13 -0700, wrote:

On Jun 16, 10:21 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:

Why would you CHOOSE to destroy habitat by hiking?
You should be ashamed of yourself

Chris Foster

Because it's the least-impact way of enjoying nature. DUH!


How about if you follow same ideals in this newsgroup, enjoy it in the
least impactful way by not posting.

What are you afraid of?
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Jun 25, 11:51 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:

Because it's the least-impact way of enjoying nature. DUH!

How about if you follow same ideals in this newsgroup, enjoy it in the
least impactful way by not posting.

What are you afraid of?

Apparently, a lot less than you are. Oh noz the sky is falling.

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Kevin Cox says he's also witnessed problems with off-leash dogs. His 8-
year-old son was recently knocked off his bike when a dog ran in front
of him in a leash-required area, and his wife, who is blind, was
nearly knocked to the ground by a dog who ran into her on a leash-
required day.

On Jun 25, 1:27 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 07:56:32 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 16, 10:20 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:27:56 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 12, 10:03 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help?

You're an idiot. What could pure habitat possibly be for a human
except net disadvantageous? You can't even admire it visually.

Seehttp://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/india3. We benefit from, and in
fact can't live without, other species. No surprize that a mountain
biker doesn't know that.

1) I have never mountain biked in my life, you cross post this
nonsense to the four winds.

2) You can't benefit from a species you exclude yourself from all
contact with. It's not a very easy point to miss.

Thanks for demonstrating just how ignorant mountain bikers are. The
xygen you breathe is provided mostly by algae & bacteria in the ocean.
Etc.

1) I still don't mountain bike; you are still cross-posting this to
the four winds.
2) If I breathe their oxygen and they photosynthesize my carbon
dioxide, I haven't excluded myself from contact with them now have I?
You just named the method of contact, in fact.