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Old March 27th 08, 11:03 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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Default Time to dispense with Greenland?

In the last fortnight on most days my ride was either prevented or
ruined by a cold wind from the North. And this has been a grim winter,
with my central heating oil bill twice what it was last year. I
certainly hope that after a particularly tough winter we shall not
again soon hear from the instant short-series "experts" that we're all
doomed because global warming is here. I say, bring on global warming,
the sooner the better. And I've been to the Arctic. If it melts, no
loss. Not to mention that the cold wind ruining my rides starts around
Greenland. Time to dispense with Greenland too, don't you think?

Andre Jute
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...20CYCLING.html

PS Of course, next week the cycling weather will start in earnest... I
feel it in my bones. So don't expect me to hang around arguing
fruitlessly with the environmentalists about their religion of doom
and gloom. I'm a Simonite: my environment is better every year, and
has been better every year of my life, as anyone can see who keeps his
eyes open and his brain in gear. Those of us who know better will be
out cycling while you waste your time talking to no one.
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Old March 28th 08, 12:58 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Woland99
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Default Time to dispense with Greenland?

On Mar 27, 6:03 pm, Andre Jute wrote:
In the last fortnight on most days my ride was either prevented or
ruined by a cold wind from the North. And this has been a grim winter,
with my central heating oil bill twice what it was last year. I
certainly hope that after a particularly tough winter we shall not
again soon hear from the instant short-series "experts" that we're all
doomed because global warming is here. I say, bring on global warming,
the sooner the better. And I've been to the Arctic. If it melts, no
loss. Not to mention that the cold wind ruining my rides starts around
Greenland. Time to dispense with Greenland too, don't you think?

Andre Jutehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html

PS Of course, next week the cycling weather will start in earnest... I
feel it in my bones. So don't expect me to hang around arguing
fruitlessly with the environmentalists about their religion of doom
and gloom. I'm a Simonite: my environment is better every year, and
has been better every year of my life, as anyone can see who keeps his
eyes open and his brain in gear. Those of us who know better will be
out cycling while you waste your time talking to no one.


Hmmmm - you realize of course that GLOBAL warming can result
in LOCAL cooling? I can't tell how sarcastic your post is.
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Old March 28th 08, 01:29 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Jay Beattie
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Default Time to dispense with Greenland?

On Mar 27, 4:03*pm, Andre Jute wrote:
In the last fortnight on most days my ride was either prevented or
ruined by a cold wind from the North. And this has been a grim winter,
with my central heating oil bill twice what it was last year. I
certainly hope that after a particularly tough winter we shall not
again soon hear from the instant short-series "experts" that we're all
doomed because global warming is here. I say, bring on global warming,
the sooner the better. And I've been to the Arctic. If it melts, no
loss. Not to mention that the cold wind ruining my rides starts around
Greenland. Time to dispense with Greenland too, don't you think?


I would think your KT66s would keep you warm enough. -- Jay Beattie.
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Old March 28th 08, 01:29 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
RonSonic
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Default Time to dispense with Greenland?

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:03:36 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute wrote:

In the last fortnight on most days my ride was either prevented or
ruined by a cold wind from the North. And this has been a grim winter,
with my central heating oil bill twice what it was last year. I
certainly hope that after a particularly tough winter we shall not
again soon hear from the instant short-series "experts" that we're all
doomed because global warming is here. I say, bring on global warming,
the sooner the better. And I've been to the Arctic. If it melts, no
loss. Not to mention that the cold wind ruining my rides starts around
Greenland. Time to dispense with Greenland too, don't you think?

Andre Jute
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...20CYCLING.html

PS Of course, next week the cycling weather will start in earnest... I
feel it in my bones. So don't expect me to hang around arguing
fruitlessly with the environmentalists about their religion of doom
and gloom. I'm a Simonite: my environment is better every year, and
has been better every year of my life, as anyone can see who keeps his
eyes open and his brain in gear. Those of us who know better will be
out cycling while you waste your time talking to no one.


In the meanwhile, here is some reading:
http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/...0-11-0589a.pdf

Scroll down, left column.

Enjoy,

Ron
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Old March 28th 08, 03:14 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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Default Time to dispense with Greenland?

On Mar 28, 12:58*am, Woland99 wrote:
On Mar 27, 6:03 pm, Andre Jute wrote:



In the last fortnight on most days my ride was either prevented or
ruined by a cold wind from the North. And this has been a grim winter,
with my central heating oil bill twice what it was last year. I
certainly hope that after a particularly tough winter we shall not
again soon hear from the instant short-series "experts" that we're all
doomed because global warming is here. I say, bring on global warming,
the sooner the better. And I've been to the Arctic. If it melts, no
loss. Not to mention that the cold wind ruining my rides starts around
Greenland. Time to dispense with Greenland too, don't you think?


Andre Jutehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html


PS Of course, next week the cycling weather will start in earnest... I
feel it in my bones. So don't expect me to hang around arguing
fruitlessly with the environmentalists about their religion of doom
and gloom. I'm a Simonite: my environment is better every year, and
has been better every year of my life, as anyone can see who keeps his
eyes open and his brain in gear. Those of us who know better will be
out cycling while you waste your time talking to no one.


Hmmmm - you realize of course that GLOBAL warming can result
in LOCAL cooling? I can't tell how sarcastic your post is.


For those who believe in global warming in the first instance,
perhaps. Not everyone is so incompetent with statistics as Al Gore
who, standing in front of a wallsize graph showing clearly that
warming leads CO2 emissions and always has, claimed loudly, and still
claims, that CO2 causes temperature increase. When the fundamental
claim of a religion is that easily contested, its magic isn't much
chop and it had better not take Nostradamus as a middle name.

Andre Jute
Cyclists don't have to be fashion victims
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Old March 28th 08, 03:32 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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Default Time to dispense with Greenland?

On Mar 28, 1:29*am, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Mar 27, 4:03*pm, Andre Jute wrote:

In the last fortnight on most days my ride was either prevented or
ruined by a cold wind from the North. And this has been a grim winter,
with my central heating oil bill twice what it was last year. I
certainly hope that after a particularly tough winter we shall not
again soon hear from the instant short-series "experts" that we're all
doomed because global warming is here. I say, bring on global warming,
the sooner the better. And I've been to the Arctic. If it melts, no
loss. Not to mention that the cold wind ruining my rides starts around
Greenland. Time to dispense with Greenland too, don't you think?


I would think your KT66s would keep you warm enough. -- Jay Beattie.


I have an amp with KT66 of course -- every serious audiophile has --
but I don't play them much as they're on a pair of Quad II I
repatriated for my retirement from Japan in an exchange for one of the
amps I concocted, and on a couple of other pairs I have, one awaiting
a rebuild, one on loan to a less fortunate audiophile. But KT66 hardly
put out any heat in comparison to the absolutely bitch of heat
generators, my Class A1 80W single-ended "Millennium's End" amps with
300Bs to drive the Svetlana SV572-3. If you know that a single-ended
amp is doing *well* if it reaches 20% efficiency, you can imagine how
much heat that amp generated; each driver 300B had it its power shunt-
regulated by its own SV372-10. But I didn't break it up because of the
heat, but because a four-unit amp with hundreds of volts just on the
signal lines, never mind the kilovolt powerlines, is a bloody
dangerous implement -- or so I sanctimoniously told people; the true
reason was that the thing, with so many hefty transformers on it, was
an absolute backbreaker to move, and I move my amps all the time. I
used it to drive my QUAD ESL63 electrostats, just because people said
I couldn't do it. Right now I'm playing a tiny 6SL7/6SN7 high-voltage
headphone amp, also of my own devising, to drive STAX electrostratic
headphones. (Well, before the usual ignorant net crocodiles call me a
liar, the signal section is tiny; the power supply is twice the size
of a 140W silicon camp sitting under the same table.)

Andre Jute
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Old March 28th 08, 03:35 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Woland99
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Default Time to dispense with Greenland?

On Mar 27, 10:14 pm, Andre Jute wrote:
On Mar 28, 12:58 am, Woland99 wrote:



On Mar 27, 6:03 pm, Andre Jute wrote:


In the last fortnight on most days my ride was either prevented or
ruined by a cold wind from the North. And this has been a grim winter,
with my central heating oil bill twice what it was last year. I
certainly hope that after a particularly tough winter we shall not
again soon hear from the instant short-series "experts" that we're all
doomed because global warming is here. I say, bring on global warming,
the sooner the better. And I've been to the Arctic. If it melts, no
loss. Not to mention that the cold wind ruining my rides starts around
Greenland. Time to dispense with Greenland too, don't you think?


Andre Jutehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html


PS Of course, next week the cycling weather will start in earnest... I
feel it in my bones. So don't expect me to hang around arguing
fruitlessly with the environmentalists about their religion of doom
and gloom. I'm a Simonite: my environment is better every year, and
has been better every year of my life, as anyone can see who keeps his
eyes open and his brain in gear. Those of us who know better will be
out cycling while you waste your time talking to no one.


Hmmmm - you realize of course that GLOBAL warming can result
in LOCAL cooling? I can't tell how sarcastic your post is.


For those who believe in global warming in the first instance,
perhaps. Not everyone is so incompetent with statistics as Al Gore
who, standing in front of a wallsize graph showing clearly that
warming leads CO2 emissions and always has, claimed loudly, and still
claims, that CO2 causes temperature increase. When the fundamental
claim of a religion is that easily contested, its magic isn't much
chop and it had better not take Nostradamus as a middle name.

Andre Jute
Cyclists don't have to be fashion victims


I do not want to start a religious war and having degree
in geophysics I do understand that cause-effect reasoning
in Earth science can be tricky but which part of global
warming theory that you find may not be correct?
I thought it was not matter of "belief" anymore and majority
of scientists agree on it. Besides - even if you have your doubts
there was that risk management-influenced argument on Youtube
that was somewhat convincing:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bDsIFspVzfI
It is 10 mins long and after watching it there is absolutely
nothing you can do but agree that there should be some action taken.
Try it.
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Old March 28th 08, 03:46 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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Default Time to dispense with Greenland?

On Mar 28, 1:29*am, RonSonic wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:03:36 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute wrote:
In the last fortnight on most days my ride was either prevented or
ruined by a cold wind from the North. And this has been a grim winter,
with my central heating oil bill twice what it was last year. I
certainly hope that after a particularly tough winter we shall not
again soon hear from the instant short-series "experts" that we're all
doomed because global warming is here. I say, bring on global warming,
the sooner the better. And I've been to the Arctic. If it melts, no
loss. Not to mention that the cold wind ruining my rides starts around
Greenland. Time to dispense with Greenland too, don't you think?


Andre Jute
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...20CYCLING.html


PS Of course, next week the cycling weather will start in earnest... I
feel it in my bones. So don't expect me to hang around arguing
fruitlessly with the environmentalists about their religion of doom
and gloom. I'm a Simonite: my environment is better every year, and
has been better every year of my life, as anyone can see who keeps his
eyes open and his brain in gear. Those of us who know better will be
out cycling while you waste your time talking to no one.


In the meanwhile, here is some reading:http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/...0-11-0589a.pdf

Scroll down, left column.

Enjoy,

Ron


Thanks for the giggle. Let's see, 1922. If the short-term trend they
observed since 1918 had continued, Gaia would now be a frizzled ball
of molten tar. Relax, Ron, you won't burn, you're only a character in
my novel whom it has amused me to give a separate volition.

Any event, I think it far more likely that we will freeze than burn,
and sooner too. The last mini-Ice Age was about 8k years ago, and it
seems to me at a quick glance that ice ages run in 8k cycles (they're
sorta like the longwave Kondratieff cycles economists are familiar
with). It will be embarrassing if those environmentalists (before they
were even called that) who warned weekly of our impending doom in the
deep freeze caused by the hole in the ozone layer, and whom I mocked
mercilessly through the 1960's, were to be proven right, just when
most of them have turned to warning about how we're creating the
flames of hell on earth... How the hell can anyone believe
"scientists" whose story changes that radically from decade to decade?

Andre Jute
I may not be a better prophet than those clowns, but at least I can
draw a trend line -- and if it is long enough, it is flat, flat, flat.


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Old March 28th 08, 04:28 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mar 27, 9:35*pm, Woland99 wrote:
On Mar 27, 10:14 pm, Andre Jute wrote:





On Mar 28, 12:58 am, Woland99 wrote:


On Mar 27, 6:03 pm, Andre Jute wrote:


In the last fortnight on most days my ride was either prevented or
ruined by a cold wind from the North. And this has been a grim winter,
with my central heating oil bill twice what it was last year. I
certainly hope that after a particularly tough winter we shall not
again soon hear from the instant short-series "experts" that we're all
doomed because global warming is here. I say, bring on global warming,
the sooner the better. And I've been to the Arctic. If it melts, no
loss. Not to mention that the cold wind ruining my rides starts around
Greenland. Time to dispense with Greenland too, don't you think?


Andre Jutehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING..html


PS Of course, next week the cycling weather will start in earnest... I
feel it in my bones. So don't expect me to hang around arguing
fruitlessly with the environmentalists about their religion of doom
and gloom. I'm a Simonite: my environment is better every year, and
has been better every year of my life, as anyone can see who keeps his
eyes open and his brain in gear. Those of us who know better will be
out cycling while you waste your time talking to no one.


Hmmmm - you realize of course that GLOBAL warming can result
in LOCAL cooling? I can't tell how sarcastic your post is.


For those who believe in global warming in the first instance,
perhaps. Not everyone is so incompetent with statistics as Al Gore
who, standing in front of a wallsize graph showing clearly that
warming leads CO2 emissions and always has, claimed loudly, and still
claims, that CO2 causes temperature increase. When the fundamental
claim of a religion is that easily contested, its magic isn't much
chop and it had better not take Nostradamus as a middle name.


Andre Jute
Cyclists don't have to be fashion victims


I do not want to start a religious war and having degree
in geophysics I do understand that cause-effect reasoning
in Earth science can be tricky but which part of global
warming theory that you find may not be correct?
I thought it was not matter of "belief" anymore and majority
of scientists agree on it. Besides - even if you have your doubts
there was that risk management-influenced argument on Youtube
that was somewhat convincing:http://youtube.com/watch?v=bDsIFspVzfI
It is 10 mins long and after watching it there is absolutely
nothing you can do but agree that there should be some action taken.
Try it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Sure, let's take action, any action, to prevent a climatalogical
catastrophy that isn't actually happening, even if it means destroying
the strongest economic engine (US-styled capitalism) in modern times?

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Old March 28th 08, 04:28 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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Default Time to dispense with Greenland?

On Mar 28, 3:35*am, Woland99 wrote:
On Mar 27, 10:14 pm, Andre Jute wrote:



On Mar 28, 12:58 am, Woland99 wrote:


On Mar 27, 6:03 pm, Andre Jute wrote:


In the last fortnight on most days my ride was either prevented or
ruined by a cold wind from the North. And this has been a grim winter,
with my central heating oil bill twice what it was last year. I
certainly hope that after a particularly tough winter we shall not
again soon hear from the instant short-series "experts" that we're all
doomed because global warming is here. I say, bring on global warming,
the sooner the better. And I've been to the Arctic. If it melts, no
loss. Not to mention that the cold wind ruining my rides starts around
Greenland. Time to dispense with Greenland too, don't you think?


Andre Jutehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING..html


PS Of course, next week the cycling weather will start in earnest... I
feel it in my bones. So don't expect me to hang around arguing
fruitlessly with the environmentalists about their religion of doom
and gloom. I'm a Simonite: my environment is better every year, and
has been better every year of my life, as anyone can see who keeps his
eyes open and his brain in gear. Those of us who know better will be
out cycling while you waste your time talking to no one.


Hmmmm - you realize of course that GLOBAL warming can result
in LOCAL cooling? I can't tell how sarcastic your post is.


For those who believe in global warming in the first instance,
perhaps. Not everyone is so incompetent with statistics as Al Gore
who, standing in front of a wallsize graph showing clearly that
warming leads CO2 emissions and always has, claimed loudly, and still
claims, that CO2 causes temperature increase. When the fundamental
claim of a religion is that easily contested, its magic isn't much
chop and it had better not take Nostradamus as a middle name.


Andre Jute
Cyclists don't have to be fashion victims


I do not want to start a religious war and having degree
in geophysics I do understand that cause-effect reasoning
in Earth science can be tricky


Witchdoctors make the same argument: Only I understand what the
spirits say. It's bull****. Chaos theory cuts both ways.

but which part of global
warming theory that you find may not be correct?


I just explained it. There is proof that CO2 emissions follow warming
spells. Therefore global warming is not caused by CO2 emissions.

I thought it was not matter of "belief" anymore and majority
of scientists agree on it.


The guys who said the IPCC rewrote their reports to say the opposite
of what they had written were severely discouraged by having their
grants taken away, and told they couldn't sue the government. You
should just count the big names who are supposed to have signed IPCC
papers who say they never said that, or agreed to the other thing.

Anyway, a consensus of guys with grants at stake? Cive me a break. We
now tell grad students to put "environmental" in the title of their
thesis to show they're right-thinking. I can remember when I couldn't
get promoted because I was not a Keynesian -- best thing that ever
happened to me, because I instantly took my skills and judgement into
the private sector with predictable results. Twenty years later all
those fashionable Keynesians were silent and twenty years later they
were all convinced monetarists.

Besides - even if you have your doubts
there was that risk management-influenced argument on Youtube
that was somewhat convincing:http://youtube.com/watch?v=bDsIFspVzfI
It is 10 mins long and after watching it there is absolutely
nothing you can do but agree that there should be some action taken.
Try it.


Ugh. That's not risk management. That's scare-mongering of the same
sort we saw with the atom bomb (which brought world peace) and nuclear
power (which is still the only clean power that is actually
deliverable in enough megawatts). Kyoto is the most expensive guilt-
trip the world has ever seen, billions spent to show we "care"; nobody
now thinks it will work, but that too was presented as "the
precautionary principle". Try this instead: That you will die is
certain; when is uncertain and it bothers some people with not enough
to keep them occupied. A precaution against the uncertainty of your
moment of death is to cut your wrists right now -- you can act to
reduce the uncertainty to zero. Does the gain to your entirely
unnecessary peace of mind overweigh the loss to your family and
society. Jeremy Bentham is spinning in his grave. There is change in
nature; it is uncertain; the precautionary principle, risk management
does not reduce that uncertainty: it aggravates it by misdirecting
resources. The managers who consistently bring off risky decisions are
artists, not scientists. Ever hear of a work of art made by a
committee? Environmental threats are without exception created and
"managed" by committees, and at that committees with a constant
financial interest in keeping the threat alive.

The fellow in your film glides smoothly over a big lie right near the
beginning of his little story when he's standing before his 3x3 grid
of possible actions and outcomes. He says, "If we do something
significant to prevent global warming." That's the sort of lie you
hear from tele-evangelists, plastic guttering salesmen and Mormon
missionaries. He doesn't know the outcome of any of his actions, you
don't, I don't. We don't know what is "significant" action. What we do
know is that natural forces are larger than any manmade significance.
What offends me most about most environmentalists is their hubris,
their belief that they matter, that our moment in time must at all
costs be preserved, that change is evil. Their attitude is inspired by
fear, and evolution will eventually rid the genome of them. Good
riddance.

Andre Jute
Darwinist


 




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