Revolution is in the Air

On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 05:19:45 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:

On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 6:48:46 AM UTC-4, TOG@Toil wrote:
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
wrote:

I have a feeling that the poor live better in, say, Kenya than in America.
True, they may not have enough to eat, but when they eat they eat real
food.

I don't think you've travelled much.

Yeah, life in the ghetto is cool with a six pack of beer.

Maybe people in Africa can't afford that.

On the contrary, even the poorest sub-Saharan African drink beer and
have for hundreds of years. The Egyptians, for example, were drinking
beer perhaps 2,000 years BCE.

(you certainly know very little about what you are talk about)
--
cheers,

John B.

rOn Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:14:20 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:

On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 8:27:16 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 04:56:50 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:

I'm sure you are not an enthusiast of sustainable development but a man on a bicycle is sustainable. A man in a car is a polluter.

How so sustainable? Do you mean that cyclists fornicate more and thus
produce increasing numbers of little cyclists while automobile drivers
do not?

Oh yes, we do that too. Automobile drivers are unsustainable and impotent.

But it is Europe that pays for a failed Africa. Hordes of Africans wash ashore everyday.

But it is not "failed Africa".

Firstly the washed ashore "Africans" are essentially all from northern
Africa, and thus constitute a minority on the continent and secondly,
within recent memory, all countries in Africa have gained their
freedom from their "Colonial Masters" and thus enjoy Freedom.

Why leave if they have beer. All they need is a bike.

The colonial masters still call the shots. It's like America and Latin America. Money flows out.

But people like you are obsessed with "progress" and they probably find it in Europe. Same for Mexicans, right?

Progress, as you use it, is a term meaning getting better and if you
have ever visited Mexico you would know that Mexicans today are much,
much, better off than, say 20 years ago.
--
cheers,

John B.

Maybe living in violence and fear is worse than being poor.

Is that a sign of progress?

I think that you are a victim of propaganda.

I know a Russian and a Hungarian that both grew up under the
Communists and they both said the same thing, that in spite of the
terrifying stories told by people like Solzhenitsyn, that they never
saw or heard of anything unusual. No fear and violence at all.

But of course, as that doesn't fit neatly into your world of
misconception you probably don't believe it.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 06:38:50 +0100, Phil W Lee
wrote:

John B. considered Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:46:45
+0700 the perfect time to write:

On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 04:14:16 +0100, Phil W Lee
wrote:

John B. considered Thu, 23 Jun 2016 05:51:30
+0700 the perfect time to write:

On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 12:08:51 +0200, "W. Wesley Groleau"
wrote:

On 06-22-2016 04:03, John B. wrote:
But other charts show that auto ownership in the U.S. is 809/1000 and
that the average numbers of autos is 2.06/family and that ~20% of U.S.
families have 3 or more autos.

This is poverty?

The official U.S. government definition of poverty is ten times the
income of the World Bank definition.

http://Wesley.Groleau.Site/2015/07/27/poverty/


I'm not sure that is an accurate number as it as it seems to be based
on an arbitrary number of dollars which isn't a realistic gauge.

I remember my grandfather telling stories about when he worked as a
carpenter for one dollar a day. Later I asked my grandmother whether
this was true about the $1.00 a day. She assured me that the story was
true and one could live pretty well.... when 10 lb. of potatoes cost
fourteen cents.

In fact, realistically, I'm not sure exactly how one does define
"poverty". Is it when you only have one car? In Los Angeles that might
be correct, unless they have improved public transportation remarkably
since I lived there. In New York, if you live on Manhattan Island, I
suspect that one can get along quite well with no car at all.

The best measures I've seen are those based on the number of hours
necessary to work to afford the basic necessities of life, whatever
those may be in the society you live.
This is far more realistic than a set number of dollars, pounds, yen,
or whatever, for a specific grocery list.

Yes, but what are the necessities of life? 2 cars per family, a
dishwasher, 48" TV and 10 bicycles :-)

Or enough to eat?

BUT, considering that "The United States is the most obese country in
North America with 35% of its population having a body max index of
over 30.0 Nearly 78 million adults and 13 million children in the
United States deal with the health and emotional effects of obesity
every day."

Perhaps "enough to eat" is not the perfect criteria :-)

Hence the part about "whatever those may be in the society you live
in".

Well, two out of every three Americans are considered to be overweight
or obese. Obesity has led to over 120,000 preventable deaths each
year in the United States, 43% of the "poor" own a 3 bedroom house,
80% have air conditioning, the poor people in the U.S. has more living
space that the average person in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, or
most other cities in Europe, 75% own cars (the overall population
figure is 80%), 31% have more then one car, 97% have a color TV and
35% have a dish washer.

Certainly says something about poverty in the U.S.


If all living accommodation within walking range of work may be hugely
expensive, so the cost of other transport becomes an essential. If
public transport is poor and distances large, that may mean a car.
Access to education also needs to be considered, and in many
countries, that also necessitates access to the internet.

Now, you can either count all those things up for every individual in
every single location, to get a completely accurate result, or you
can do it for a cross-section of society in each major area (where
costs are largely similar, but commuting distances vary, for example)
and come up with a statistically defensible value represented as a
proportion of some national income measure.
Most developed countries have government departments dedicated to
producing exactly those kinds of statistics, and the UN produces
similar figures, although their access to data is not as good, so
their measures are necessarily less accurate.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 09:26:25 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:

On Saturday, June 25, 2016 at 12:00:10 PM UTC-4, vito wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 06:57:36 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:04:00 PM UTC-4, vito wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:15:44 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:


Maybe living in violence and fear is worse than being poor.

No, it is not. Note how many poor resort to violence to improve their
condition.

Ask those who land in jail, or die, or live in fear.

Poverty is not so bad if he wasn't that they treat like an insect.


I have. Those in jail all claim innocense and blame "the man". It's
neer their own fault. "It's not my fault I killed that old lady. She
shoild have given up her money when I asked for it."

Hard to ask the deadabout anything.

If one lives infear then one should change their environment. I have
never known anybody who lived in fear. I suspect it comes from your
ocer active immagination. Who exactly lives in fear?

You get treated as you deserve. If you live like a tapeworm you
gettreated like a tapeworm. Respect is earned not endowed.

Tell me how you ignore that fear when you are the weakest link in the food chain? You yourself have said bicyclists deserve to die. Many predators like you out there. And they get away with murder. They have a license to kill

Well, from your posts it is apparent that you do believe that you ARE
the weakest link in the food chain.

If you live in fear and terror then why don't you do something about?

Or are you one of those that run about the barn yard shouting "The
government must do something about this"?
(printed evidence shows that this is a futile endeavor)
--
cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 22:49:34 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:

On Saturday, June 25, 2016 at 11:37:41 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 09:26:25 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:

On Saturday, June 25, 2016 at 12:00:10 PM UTC-4, vito wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 06:57:36 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:04:00 PM UTC-4, vito wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:15:44 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:


Maybe living in violence and fear is worse than being poor.

No, it is not. Note how many poor resort to violence to improve their
condition.

Ask those who land in jail, or die, or live in fear.

Poverty is not so bad if he wasn't that they treat like an insect.


I have. Those in jail all claim innocense and blame "the man". It's
neer their own fault. "It's not my fault I killed that old lady. She
shoild have given up her money when I asked for it."

Hard to ask the deadabout anything.

If one lives infear then one should change their environment. I have
never known anybody who lived in fear. I suspect it comes from your
ocer active immagination. Who exactly lives in fear?

You get treated as you deserve. If you live like a tapeworm you
gettreated like a tapeworm. Respect is earned not endowed.

Tell me how you ignore that fear when you are the weakest link in the food chain? You yourself have said bicyclists deserve to die. Many predators like you out there. And they get away with murder. They have a license to kill

Well, from your posts it is apparent that you do believe that you ARE
the weakest link in the food chain.

If you live in fear and terror then why don't you do something about?

Or are you one of those that run about the barn yard shouting "The
government must do something about this"?
(printed evidence shows that this is a futile endeavor)
--
cheers,

John B.

Have you seen the bumper sticker that goes "Stop bitching and start a revolution"?

I've seen many bumper stickers. I saw one the other day that said
"Introverts UNITE in your own home"


My pamphlet has exposed the corruption game. Thousands upon thousands going around. I'd be the nagging mosquito. ?

Did you actually expose anything? If you actually did are their legal
cases being held to prosecute the evil doers?

If not, why not? After all if you published actual evidence and proof
of crime I would assume that some sort of legal action would be going
on. After all, they got Spiro Agnew, the vice president, for
corruption and he was forced to resign as vice president.

Why can't you do it?
--
cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 12:19:15 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:

On Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 2:53:16 PM UTC-4, vito wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 08:14:38 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:

On Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 9:54:32 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 2:51:44 AM UTC-7, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher wrote:
On Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 12:18:28 AM UTC-4, wrote:
what about bus power?

Bus power is necessary as a complement to banana power, when the legs fail. Buses have bike racks.

sounds like you get on the bussssahhhhhh!

Buses are socialism, plain and simple. Sometimes it works, most of the times it won't. The bicycle is a statement in freedom and the power of the individual... "Banana Power!"

The elderly get a free ride here. Is that part of the socialism they live in? Perhaps. They love socialism. It's the young that love banana power. But it doesn't have to be that way. The infirm and mentally confused should take advantage of banana power and burn the calories in every possible way. If not a bike, it could be a trike.

I have a little trick for the elderly but it would make them break with traditional politics. We all know corrupt politicians make the elderly come out and vote showering them with gifts. We can not trust the elderly to be mentally alert but we can empower them. Yes, we can.

Bananas? Monkeys? Nope. Alligator! Big mouth, tiny brain.

Where is "here" that the elderly get a free ride. I paid dearly for
my retirement and dislike socialism as do most elderly. Gifts? What
generation is still sponging of parents at 20 and demending more
'free' education because you learned nothing is 12 years?

And we do have 2 and 3 wheel vehicles as well as 4, but we put motors
on them allowing us to whisk along at 40, 50, 80MPH, and cover more
distance in an hour than a bicycle, or horse and buggy, can in a long
day. This in turn allowed us to move out of one room flats and create
comfortable suburbs or to even farm.

And you propose to elimiate that so you can ride your bicycle. Why
not eliminate bicycles in favor of horses. I know some ignorant teen
girls (your peers?) who would like that.

I meant "free ride on the bus." Check it out, it may just yet another freebie for the elderly in your area as well.

Enjoy socialism! ?

Socialism? Here we have a dictator (although he doesn't use that
title) and we have free medical care for the aged, a pension for the
elderly, discount rates on some public transportation (both the
elevated and the underground systems) and some bus routs are free. And
rampant capitalism.

--
cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 17:54:05 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:

On Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 8:38:58 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 22:49:34 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:

On Saturday, June 25, 2016 at 11:37:41 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 09:26:25 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:

On Saturday, June 25, 2016 at 12:00:10 PM UTC-4, vito wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 06:57:36 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:04:00 PM UTC-4, vito wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:15:44 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:


Maybe living in violence and fear is worse than being poor.

No, it is not. Note how many poor resort to violence to improve their
condition.

Ask those who land in jail, or die, or live in fear.

Poverty is not so bad if he wasn't that they treat like an insect.


I have. Those in jail all claim innocense and blame "the man". It's
neer their own fault. "It's not my fault I killed that old lady. She
shoild have given up her money when I asked for it."

Hard to ask the deadabout anything.

If one lives infear then one should change their environment. I have
never known anybody who lived in fear. I suspect it comes from your
ocer active immagination. Who exactly lives in fear?

You get treated as you deserve. If you live like a tapeworm you
gettreated like a tapeworm. Respect is earned not endowed.

Tell me how you ignore that fear when you are the weakest link in the food chain? You yourself have said bicyclists deserve to die. Many predators like you out there. And they get away with murder. They have a license to kill

Well, from your posts it is apparent that you do believe that you ARE
the weakest link in the food chain.

If you live in fear and terror then why don't you do something about?

Or are you one of those that run about the barn yard shouting "The
government must do something about this"?
(printed evidence shows that this is a futile endeavor)
--
cheers,

John B.

Have you seen the bumper sticker that goes "Stop bitching and start a revolution"?

I've seen many bumper stickers. I saw one the other day that said
"Introverts UNITE in your own home"


My pamphlet has exposed the corruption game. Thousands upon thousands going around. I'd be the nagging mosquito. ?

Did you actually expose anything? If you actually did are their legal
cases being held to prosecute the evil doers?

If not, why not? After all if you published actual evidence and proof
of crime I would assume that some sort of legal action would be going
on. After all, they got Spiro Agnew, the vice president, for
corruption and he was forced to resign as vice president.

Why can't you do it?
--
cheers,

John B.

Road repair/beautification is open field for corruption because it's hard to prove there was malice/corruption and not plain stupidity. I certainly tried approaching them but they grew defensive and
I sensed they could be dangerous one way or another. Instead I turned to the people --mostly the black community, bus drivers, etc-- and they all agree it's corruption.

Of course paving is a gold mine. After all what voter ever complained
when they pave the road in front of his house. Do you think he is out
there asking them how much it costs? He is in the house looking out
the window and thinking "no more mud". His wife is all for it, "no
more mud" and the kids are all for it, "nice smooth road to ride the
bike on".

And, it is so universal that they ought to refer to it, not as
corruption , but as a supplemental salary.

I remember reading, some years ago, a report that every paving
contractor in Illinois was "paying a commission" on his contract and
that in addition, they had formed a "association" and if any new
contractor tried to charge lower fees they simply drove him out of
business.

You overestimate the power of the individual in democracy. This is a
money jungle.

Do you live in some dream world instead of going to school? The
Greeks, who originated the democracy game complained loudly about
strong men taking control and that was nearly 3,000 years ago.

By the way, under the Greek system you wouldn't have a say as women,
slaves, non citizens and those who had not completed their military
training and owned their own arms, were excluded from the electorate.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 23:37:34 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:

On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 2:19:42 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 12:19:15 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:

On Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 2:53:16 PM UTC-4, vito wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 08:14:38 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:

On Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 9:54:32 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 2:51:44 AM UTC-7, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher wrote:
On Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 12:18:28 AM UTC-4, wrote:
what about bus power?

Bus power is necessary as a complement to banana power, when the legs fail. Buses have bike racks.

sounds like you get on the bussssahhhhhh!

Buses are socialism, plain and simple. Sometimes it works, most of the times it won't. The bicycle is a statement in freedom and the power of the individual... "Banana Power!"

The elderly get a free ride here. Is that part of the socialism they live in? Perhaps. They love socialism. It's the young that love banana power. But it doesn't have to be that way. The infirm and mentally confused should take advantage of banana power and burn the calories in every possible way. If not a bike, it could be a trike.

I have a little trick for the elderly but it would make them break with traditional politics. We all know corrupt politicians make the elderly come out and vote showering them with gifts. We can not trust the elderly to be mentally alert but we can empower them. Yes, we can.

Bananas? Monkeys? Nope. Alligator! Big mouth, tiny brain.

Where is "here" that the elderly get a free ride. I paid dearly for
my retirement and dislike socialism as do most elderly. Gifts? What
generation is still sponging of parents at 20 and demending more
'free' education because you learned nothing is 12 years?

And we do have 2 and 3 wheel vehicles as well as 4, but we put motors
on them allowing us to whisk along at 40, 50, 80MPH, and cover more
distance in an hour than a bicycle, or horse and buggy, can in a long
day. This in turn allowed us to move out of one room flats and create
comfortable suburbs or to even farm.

And you propose to elimiate that so you can ride your bicycle. Why
not eliminate bicycles in favor of horses. I know some ignorant teen
girls (your peers?) who would like that.

I meant "free ride on the bus." Check it out, it may just yet another freebie for the elderly in your area as well.

Enjoy socialism! ?

Socialism? Here we have a dictator (although he doesn't use that
title) and we have free medical care for the aged, a pension for the
elderly, discount rates on some public transportation (both the
elevated and the underground systems) and some bus routs are free. And
rampant capitalism.

--
cheers,

John B.

Rampant capitalism is not the same as predatory capitalism, right?


Rampant means "unrestrained and violent" and predatory means to prey
on someone or something (usually) for food.

Now then, I'm sure that, like even the poor people in the U.S., you
have a television set. Have you ever wondered what sort of programs
you would have if it were not for advertising? If TV were to ban, lets
say, all mention of company's names or display of emblems or
trademarks, or any and all mention of politics, what would be shown on
the T.V.? News? Do you really think so? Could a TV network with
essentially no income, sponsor a news show?

And why does a company pay the fantastic prices for a prime time
program slot? Why, because it entices people to buy their product
rather than the other guy's.

And, large companies can sell a product cheaper than a small company,
and as every company wants to sell more and more product a very
logical thing to do is get bigger so they can sell cheaper, which
usually means more.

So, capitalism is by nature rampant and predatory, in the sense that
they entice silly people to make foolish purchases.

In fact, one method of getting rich is just don't buy it if you don't
actually need it.

Here the elderly enjoy socialism but only because they vote.

If you think that your national medical scheme, what ever you call it,
is socialism you simply do not know what socialism is.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 13:36:27 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:

Do these islands beautify the community? Notice the dead tree.

https://twitter.com/tibetan_monkey/s...27468085448704

Ah, you reveal your shortcomings. You don; speak English.

"Dead" - "not showing characteristics of life especially the capacity
to sustain life; no longer exerting force or having energy or heat".

So the concrete sidewalk is dead, the bicycle is dead. Practically
everything in your photo is "dead".
--
cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 19:36:54 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:

On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 6:52:40 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 17:54:05 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:
Road repair/beautification is open field for corruption because it's hard to prove there was malice/corruption and not plain stupidity. I certainly tried approaching them but they grew defensive and
I sensed they could be dangerous one way or another. Instead I turned to the people --mostly the black community, bus drivers, etc-- and they all agree it's corruption.

Of course paving is a gold mine. After all what voter ever complained
when they pave the road in front of his house. Do you think he is out
there asking them how much it costs? He is in the house looking out
the window and thinking "no more mud". His wife is all for it, "no
more mud" and the kids are all for it, "nice smooth road to ride the
bike on".

So the the streets are paved with gold, but the gold stays with the city officials and contractors. Immigrants would be lucky to get a job as laborer.

If you read a little, just a little, U.S. history, You'll discover
that the reason the U.S. accepted so many immigrates was that they
wanted cheap labor.

Heck, they actually paid hard earned money to get some of the ones
with the darker complexion imported.

Who do you think dug the Erie Canal and built the railroad across
America?
--
cheers,

John B.