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On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:18:36 +0000 (UTC), Theodore Heise wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:21:52 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: .... On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute wrote: Seems to me chain cleaning and waxing is another sadomasochistic practice that cyclists without the imagination to do something more productive have brought on themselves. Of course, if chain cleaning and waxing defines who you are, like going to church on Sundays, don't pay any attention to me; I wouldn't dream of criticizing your religion. Seriously, it's a very simple process, and less work than cleaning and relubing a chain. I'm not advocating it as suitable for anyone else, just desribing how it works for me. If that warrants chastising, I have to wonder who are the real religious zealots. Really simple, and something I do ONCE in the chain's life. Hot wax bath, then on to the bike. 3000 miles and .25% elongation later, it's into the thrash and a new $12.50 chain (currently SRAM PC850s) gets installed. Cheap and easy. And I ride in the rain and snow as well as good weather in NYC. The best internally geared hubs don't have the efficiency of a dirty chain on derailure cogs. I'm much too lazy to waste energy on internal gears or on oiling a chain every 100 miles. |
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On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 3:50:29 AM UTC+1, ERSHC wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:18:36 +0000 (UTC), Theodore Heise wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:21:52 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: ... On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute wrote: Seems to me chain cleaning and waxing is another sadomasochistic practice that cyclists without the imagination to do something more productive have brought on themselves. Of course, if chain cleaning and waxing defines who you are, like going to church on Sundays, don't pay any attention to me; I wouldn't dream of criticizing your religion. Seriously, it's a very simple process, and less work than cleaning and relubing a chain. I'm not advocating it as suitable for anyone else, just desribing how it works for me. If that warrants chastising, I have to wonder who are the real religious zealots. Really simple, and something I do ONCE in the chain's life. Hot wax bath, then on to the bike. 3000 miles and .25% elongation later, it's into the thrash and a new $12.50 chain (currently SRAM PC850s) gets installed. Cheap and easy. And I ride in the rain and snow as well as good weather in NYC. The best internally geared hubs don't have the efficiency of a dirty chain on derailure cogs. You might want to check your facts on that one before you express the same fallacy in a less forgiving venue. I'm much too lazy to waste energy on internal gears or on oiling a chain every 100 miles. Now that's the sort of cyclist I like hearing about. Though I don't quite see how an IGH would "waste" your energy. A Rohloff, for instance, has 14 evenly spaced gears, a fat range, and an instant change, through several gears in an instant, if you wish. Oh, and the Rohloff is definitely more efficient than a dirty chain and derailleur, according to reliable German tests. Even an 8-speed Shimano was faster for me once I sussed out optimum gear changes (made electronically, triggered by sensors, zero human input) than the derailleur system I had before the CyberNexus. Andre Jute Real men ride grungy derailleur systems |
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Chain waxing
On 6/6/2018 9:25 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 11:41:09 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote: Waiting for Wippermann Act I (two men stand on a bare dirt mound with only a dead tree, a tattered bicycle and a crock pot, its cord stretching off to infinity) Vladamir: Wax must be put on every week, I'm tired telling you that. Why don't you listen to me? Estragon: What do you say? Hot wax? I am too old and tired. [intermission] -- Jay Beckett. Now I can ride off into the sunset, knowing that my heritage is safe in your hands, dear Jay. Best Godot I ever saw was in Adelaide, the one in Australia, where an Aboriginal actor was cast as Lucky. The next day I was walking with this actor on North Terrace, inspecting Aboriginal art that was part of the biennial Festival of Arts, and we ran into the Governor of South Australia (we were literally in front of Government House), a clergyman who was also an Aboriginal but, unlike the usual Governor, not a politician, instead a scholar. Between the two of them they told me enough about the art on display that I wrote a double page spread for Nation Review about the Dreamtime, the cultural impetus of the Aboriginals, which much to my surprise I've several times seen quoted in scholarly texts; surprise because literally everything I knew -- then or since! -- I got from an actor and a clergyman in the space of an afternoon. I always meant to tell Beckett this story next time I was in Paris, but just never got around to it; a few years later, when we lived in the Forest of Devres, I drove through Paris several times on my way to Italy but was always in too much of a hurry. Beckett would have appreciated the absurdity of the tale, especially the detail about Richard Condon (The Manchurian Candidate, those Prizzi tales, lots of other clever novels) marching up to us in the killer Australian heat all done up in a black suit with a waistcoat and an Englishman's black umbrella above his head (we, even the Governor, were in shirtsleeves) to thank me for putting him straight about a researcher for his book on Queen Caroline who incredibly missed Captain Gronow's Diaries... Andre Jute Not that shaggy, sir! Thank you, Zelig. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 2018-06-06 19:07, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 7:34:03 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-06-06 16:21, James wrote: On 07/06/18 00:35, Joerg wrote: It doesn't sound very healthy for the chain to soak it in dirty wax. Doesn't seem to make any difference as far as I can tell. I clean my chain thoroughly using interdental toothbrushes. My wive found a brand at Costco that is more rigid than the usual ones so the job goes faster now. First used for my teeth, then later some day for a chain. Afterwards scrubbing with an old regular toothbrush, followed by a good wipe-down with Kleenex. Once the chain is really shiny I apply White Lightning Epic Ride. If you shake the bottle well the waxy stuff in it dissolves and thus gets onto the chain as well. I use a Q-Tip to dab it onlto the links, then gently wipe off any excess with a Kleenex. That way a road bike chain can run 150-250mi between cleanings depending on whether I ride more roads or more bike paths. Gets dirtier on roads. 40-50mi on the MTB, mostly on dirt trails. The upside is that this method does not require me to take the chain off the bike which I would really dread. Wow. I leave the original chain lube on from the manufacturer to begin with. That probably lasts 1000km or more. I just checked a chain I put on in January. It's done over 3200km and "stretched" 1/8 of an inch over 50 inches, or about 0.25%. I've wax lubed it twice since I installed the chain, about every 1000km. There has been road works where I live for two months, so every ride I have to cross several hundred metres of dirt in each direction. I've also cycled some gravel roads for fun. KMC factory lube lasts me a about 500mi on the road bike but not on the MTB. There the chain becomes noisy after 50mi no matter what. Most singletrack is very dusty in this area and the chain gets a good dose of water when crossing little creeks. I don't dread taking the chain off my bike because I use a Connex quick link, and once it is removed, it facilitates much easier cleaning of other parts, like the rear derailleur jockey wheels for example. I also have a KMC quick disconnect on the MTB but it's not very easy to get off. Nothing works for Joerg. Sure it does, I open those at times. It's just not all that convenient. As outlined, I have a method to clean and lube chains that works well. It took me a while to streamline the process but by now I can do that in 15-20mins if needed. While listening to talk radio in my garage which would make your toe nails curl :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 15:45:44 -0500,
AMuzi wrote: On 6/6/2018 3:18 PM, Theodore Heise wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:21:52 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 8:12:20 AM UTC-7, Theodore Heise wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute wrote: On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 10:05:28 AM UTC+1, Tanguy Ortolo wrote: For those interested in this, after my last inquiry about chain lubing, I decided to wax my chain... Seems to me chain cleaning and waxing is another sadomasochistic practice that cyclists without the imagination to do something more productive have brought on themselves... Well, for me it's as simple as wishing to throw the bike in the back of the car (or pack it for travel) without having to worry about a greasy chain. A little, a very little thought will tell any cyclist that he can run the chain for its entire life on the factory lube, and in the process win a permanently clean bike. All it takes is a hub gearbox (or a single speed of any flavor you fancy), a Hebie Chainglider or lesser chain enclosure, and a chain from a manufacturer who uses quality lube (KMC is good and cheap besides). Then you never again need to clean a chain or clusters or chainrings or anything else to which the chain has spread its filth. I assume this is all meant facetiously. No more than using an electric cooker to melt wax for a chain. Skip the whole thing and go with an IGH and chain guard. I personally run my chain through a sealed oil bath -- after carefully cleaning each link. https://www.sheldonbrown.com/chainclean.html OMG, I'm severally chastised. How will I survive? Seriously, it's a very simple process, and less work than cleaning and relubing a chain. I'm not advocating it as suitable for anyone else, just desribing how it works for me. If that warrants chastising, I have to wonder who are the real religious zealots. As the doomed Heise stands on a bare stage, the chorus starts a rumbling 'rhubarb' with ascending volume pierced by shouts of 'stone the heretic'. Curtain closes. Don't I even get a curtain call? -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA |
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On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 7:50:29 PM UTC-7, ERSHC wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:18:36 +0000 (UTC), Theodore Heise wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:21:52 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: ... On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute wrote: Seems to me chain cleaning and waxing is another sadomasochistic practice that cyclists without the imagination to do something more productive have brought on themselves. Of course, if chain cleaning and waxing defines who you are, like going to church on Sundays, don't pay any attention to me; I wouldn't dream of criticizing your religion. Seriously, it's a very simple process, and less work than cleaning and relubing a chain. I'm not advocating it as suitable for anyone else, just desribing how it works for me. If that warrants chastising, I have to wonder who are the real religious zealots. Really simple, and something I do ONCE in the chain's life. Hot wax bath, then on to the bike. 3000 miles and .25% elongation later, it's into the thrash and a new $12.50 chain (currently SRAM PC850s) gets installed. Cheap and easy. And I ride in the rain and snow as well as good weather in NYC. The best internally geared hubs don't have the efficiency of a dirty chain on derailure cogs. I'm much too lazy to waste energy on internal gears or on oiling a chain every 100 miles. I got no problems with wax. People who wanna wax should wax. For me, a good waxing would probably last about a day or two of long rides in December, but then nothing stays on a chain very long in hard rain. I might try wax one day -- I've got race wax and teflon powder for my skis that I might put on my chain. I'll go super fast (but only downhill)! -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 08:57:44 -0700 (PDT),
jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 7:50:29 PM UTC-7, ERSHC wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:18:36 +0000 (UTC), Theodore Heise wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:21:52 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: ... On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute wrote: Seems to me chain cleaning and waxing is another sadomasochistic practice that cyclists without the imagination to do something more productive have brought on themselves. Of course, if chain cleaning and waxing defines who you are, like going to church on Sundays, don't pay any attention to me; I wouldn't dream of criticizing your religion. Seriously, it's a very simple process, and less work than cleaning and relubing a chain. I'm not advocating it as suitable for anyone else, just desribing how it works for me. If that warrants chastising, I have to wonder who are the real religious zealots. Really simple, and something I do ONCE in the chain's life. Hot wax bath, then on to the bike. 3000 miles and .25% elongation later, it's into the thrash and a new $12.50 chain (currently SRAM PC850s) gets installed. Cheap and easy. And I ride in the rain and snow as well as good weather in NYC. The best internally geared hubs don't have the efficiency of a dirty chain on derailure cogs. I'm much too lazy to waste energy on internal gears or on oiling a chain every 100 miles. I got no problems with wax. People who wanna wax should wax. For me, a good waxing would probably last about a day or two of long rides in December, but then nothing stays on a chain very long in hard rain. I might try wax one day -- I've got race wax and teflon powder for my skis that I might put on my chain. I'll go super fast (but only downhill)! Jay makes a great point. If I rode in the rain a lot (or even much), I probably would not be using wax. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA |
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On 2018-06-07 08:57, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 7:50:29 PM UTC-7, ERSHC wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:18:36 +0000 (UTC), Theodore Heise wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:21:52 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: ... On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute wrote: Seems to me chain cleaning and waxing is another sadomasochistic practice that cyclists without the imagination to do something more productive have brought on themselves. Of course, if chain cleaning and waxing defines who you are, like going to church on Sundays, don't pay any attention to me; I wouldn't dream of criticizing your religion. Seriously, it's a very simple process, and less work than cleaning and relubing a chain. I'm not advocating it as suitable for anyone else, just desribing how it works for me. If that warrants chastising, I have to wonder who are the real religious zealots. Really simple, and something I do ONCE in the chain's life. Hot wax bath, then on to the bike. 3000 miles and .25% elongation later, it's into the thrash and a new $12.50 chain (currently SRAM PC850s) gets installed. Cheap and easy. And I ride in the rain and snow as well as good weather in NYC. The best internally geared hubs don't have the efficiency of a dirty chain on derailure cogs. I'm much too lazy to waste energy on internal gears or on oiling a chain every 100 miles. I got no problems with wax. People who wanna wax should wax. For me, a good waxing would probably last about a day or two of long rides in December, but then nothing stays on a chain very long in hard rain. I might try wax one day -- I've got race wax and teflon powder for my skis that I might put on my chain. I'll go super fast (but only downhill)! Or use silicone based lube like Clark did, for even more speed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rMcRJVY1-0 -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 07/06/18 07:13, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 3:50:29 AM UTC+1, ERSHC wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:18:36 +0000 (UTC), Theodore Heise wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:21:52 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: ... On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute wrote: Seems to me chain cleaning and waxing is another sadomasochistic practice that cyclists without the imagination to do something more productive have brought on themselves. Of course, if chain cleaning and waxing defines who you are, like going to church on Sundays, don't pay any attention to me; I wouldn't dream of criticizing your religion. Seriously, it's a very simple process, and less work than cleaning and relubing a chain. I'm not advocating it as suitable for anyone else, just desribing how it works for me. If that warrants chastising, I have to wonder who are the real religious zealots. Really simple, and something I do ONCE in the chain's life. Hot wax bath, then on to the bike. 3000 miles and .25% elongation later, it's into the thrash and a new $12.50 chain (currently SRAM PC850s) gets installed. Cheap and easy. And I ride in the rain and snow as well as good weather in NYC. The best internally geared hubs don't have the efficiency of a dirty chain on derailure cogs. You might want to check your facts on that one before you express the same fallacy in a less forgiving venue. I'm much too lazy to waste energy on internal gears or on oiling a chain every 100 miles. Now that's the sort of cyclist I like hearing about. Though I don't quite see how an IGH would "waste" your energy. A Rohloff, for instance, has 14 evenly spaced gears, a fat range, and an instant change, through several gears in an instant, if you wish. Oh, and the Rohloff is definitely more efficient than a dirty chain and derailleur, according to reliable German tests. Me, I'd keep my dérailleur clean and solve that problem. Save some weight as well. |
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On 2018-06-07 12:15, Tosspot wrote:
On 07/06/18 07:13, Andre Jute wrote: On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 3:50:29 AM UTC+1, ERSHC wrote: [...] I'm much too lazy to waste energy on internal gears or on oiling a chain every 100 miles. Now that's the sort of cyclist I like hearing about. Though I don't quite see how an IGH would "waste" your energy. A Rohloff, for instance, has 14 evenly spaced gears, a fat range, and an instant change, through several gears in an instant, if you wish. Oh, and the Rohloff is definitely more efficient than a dirty chain and derailleur, according to reliable German tests. Me, I'd keep my dérailleur clean and solve that problem. Save some weight as well. And a TON of money. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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