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Help (or suggested resources) for identifying frame?
On Oct 8, 2:31*pm, " wrote:
On Oct 8, 1:42*pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 12:26*pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 12:28*pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote: I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986 orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty. Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names, badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no? Thanks, Dan That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the 1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames. Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and ride it!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Apparently it's a Team SC Easton SC7000. *What looks like a SN but seems too short to be one is FM-51. Scandium Taperwall w/ some carbon - my buddy thinks downtube & chain stay. *Appears to have a euro bb of some sort (he's guessing here based on size). *Neat. *Now to hunt down the particulars.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The Merckx carbon chainstays were carbon wrapped over the aluminum. That I remember. *Downtube is aluminum only. *No help on dimensions other than Merckx followed the Italian sizing method of too short of top tubes and too long of stems. *Way back when it was the Merckx top of the line frame for the sponsored race teams. *So it was high end. This was of course before carbon frames became all the rage.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I've got the frame now, and you appear to be dead-on. *All but the rear chain stays are scandium aluminum alloy. *The rear stays are visibly carbon, but if you say that carbon is wrapping alloy I believe you. *The geometry of the frame does look a touch weird. *The previous owner was my height, hopefully it’s close enough. *More pics herehttp://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/Merckx#. *I sure would love to find out an exact year, but that’s the case for at least ½ of my bikes – part of getting used stuff I guess. *Certainly can’t complain on a freebie.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - http://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/20...1_4229crx.aspx http://www.roadbikereview.com/mfr/ed...x.aspx#reviews Apparently as late as 2002 the Lotto Domo color scheme was still in use on the Merckx Team SC frame. Like yours. |
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Help (or suggested resources) for identifying frame?
On Oct 8, 4:24*pm, "
wrote: On Oct 8, 2:31*pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 1:42*pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 12:26*pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 12:28*pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote: I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986 orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty. Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names, badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no? Thanks, Dan That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the 1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames. Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and ride it!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Apparently it's a Team SC Easton SC7000. *What looks like a SN but seems too short to be one is FM-51. Scandium Taperwall w/ some carbon - my buddy thinks downtube & chain stay. *Appears to have a euro bb of some sort (he's guessing here based on size). *Neat. *Now to hunt down the particulars.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The Merckx carbon chainstays were carbon wrapped over the aluminum. That I remember. *Downtube is aluminum only. *No help on dimensions other than Merckx followed the Italian sizing method of too short of top tubes and too long of stems. *Way back when it was the Merckx top of the line frame for the sponsored race teams. *So it was high end.. This was of course before carbon frames became all the rage.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I've got the frame now, and you appear to be dead-on. *All but the rear chain stays are scandium aluminum alloy. *The rear stays are visibly carbon, but if you say that carbon is wrapping alloy I believe you. *The geometry of the frame does look a touch weird. *The previous owner was my height, hopefully it’s close enough. *More pics herehttp://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/Merckx#. *I sure would love to find out an exact year, but that’s the case for at least ½ of my bikes – part of getting used stuff I guess. *Certainly can’t complain on a freebie.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - http://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/20...bike/eddy-merc... http://www.roadbikereview.com/mfr/ed...D_300034_2493c... Apparently as late as 2002 the Lotto Domo color scheme was still in use on the Merckx Team SC frame. *Like yours.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sweet. Thanks! Now I've just got to figure out this "integrated head tube" thing, and figure out where to come up with $ for yet another build. |
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Help (or suggested resources) for identifying frame?
On Oct 8, 12:46*pm, " wrote:
On Oct 8, 2:18*pm, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Oct 8, 10:28*am, " wrote: On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote: I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986 orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty. Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names, badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no? Thanks, Dan That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the 1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames. Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and ride it! Use any 1 1/8inch headset, standard type with outboard cups and this along with all the other Merckx's, from then to today, use the far superior Italian BB threading...... ;-lo- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you sure about the head set? *Check this picture out:http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...71666847538114 Again, appreciate any and all help.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The term "1 1/8 headset" refers to the steerer diameter and not the diameter of the head tube or bearing seat. That bike probably has a 1 1/8" steerer. Give that a measure and see what it is. -- Jay Beattie. |
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Help (or suggested resources) for identifying frame?
On Oct 8, 10:50*pm, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Oct 8, 12:46*pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 2:18*pm, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Oct 8, 10:28*am, " wrote: On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote: I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986 orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty. Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names, badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no? Thanks, Dan That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the 1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames. Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and ride it! Use any 1 1/8inch headset, standard type with outboard cups and this along with all the other Merckx's, from then to today, use the far superior Italian BB threading...... ;-lo- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you sure about the head set? *Check this picture out:http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...71666847538114 Again, appreciate any and all help.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The term "1 1/8 headset" refers to the steerer diameter and not the diameter of the head tube or bearing seat. *That bike probably has a 1 1/8" steerer. *Give that a measure and see what it is. -- Jay Beattie.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't doubt the 1-1/8th part, it most certainly is 1-1/8th. I was questioning the "outboard" part. |
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Help (or suggested resources) for identifying frame?
On Oct 9, 5:31*am, " wrote:
On Oct 8, 10:50*pm, Jay Beattie wrote: On Oct 8, 12:46*pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 2:18*pm, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Oct 8, 10:28*am, " wrote: On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote: I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986 orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty. Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names, badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no? Thanks, Dan That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the 1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames. Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and ride it! Use any 1 1/8inch headset, standard type with outboard cups and this along with all the other Merckx's, from then to today, use the far superior Italian BB threading...... ;-lo- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you sure about the head set? *Check this picture out:http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...71666847538114 Again, appreciate any and all help.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The term "1 1/8 headset" refers to the steerer diameter and not the diameter of the head tube or bearing seat. *That bike probably has a 1 1/8" steerer. *Give that a measure and see what it is. -- Jay Beattie..- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't doubt the 1-1/8th part, it most certainly is 1-1/8th. *I was questioning the "outboard" part.- Hide quoted text - So would I. That bike probably takes an integrated headset -- although there is such a mishmash of integrated, internal, semi- integrated, etc. out there that I hazard to make a guess what is spec'd for that frame. Russell or the shop owners probably know. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Oct 9, 9:25*pm, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Oct 9, 5:31*am, " wrote: On Oct 8, 10:50*pm, Jay Beattie wrote: On Oct 8, 12:46*pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 2:18*pm, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Oct 8, 10:28*am, " wrote: On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote: I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986 orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty. Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names, badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no? Thanks, Dan That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the 1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames. Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and ride it! Use any 1 1/8inch headset, standard type with outboard cups and this along with all the other Merckx's, from then to today, use the far superior Italian BB threading...... ;-lo- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you sure about the head set? *Check this picture out:http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...71666847538114 Again, appreciate any and all help.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The term "1 1/8 headset" refers to the steerer diameter and not the diameter of the head tube or bearing seat. *That bike probably has a 1 1/8" steerer. *Give that a measure and see what it is. -- Jay Beattie.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't doubt the 1-1/8th part, it most certainly is 1-1/8th. *I was questioning the "outboard" part.- Hide quoted text - So would I. *That bike probably takes an integrated headset -- although there is such a mishmash of integrated, internal, semi- integrated, etc. out there that I hazard to make a guess what is spec'd for that frame. Russell or the shop owners probably know. -- Jay Beattie. Russell? Haven't seen him posting around here in a while. Maybe I'll just try to get it by my LBS. Thanks for the reply. |
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On Oct 9, 6:25*pm, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Oct 9, 5:31*am, " wrote: On Oct 8, 10:50*pm, Jay Beattie wrote: On Oct 8, 12:46*pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 2:18*pm, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Oct 8, 10:28*am, " wrote: On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote: I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986 orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty. Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names, badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no? Thanks, Dan That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the 1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames. Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and ride it! Use any 1 1/8inch headset, standard type with outboard cups and this along with all the other Merckx's, from then to today, use the far superior Italian BB threading...... ;-lo- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you sure about the head set? *Check this picture out:http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...71666847538114 Again, appreciate any and all help.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The term "1 1/8 headset" refers to the steerer diameter and not the diameter of the head tube or bearing seat. *That bike probably has a 1 1/8" steerer. *Give that a measure and see what it is. -- Jay Beattie.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't doubt the 1-1/8th part, it most certainly is 1-1/8th. *I was questioning the "outboard" part.- Hide quoted text - So would I. *That bike probably takes an integrated headset -- although there is such a mishmash of integrated, internal, semi- integrated, etc. out there that I hazard to make a guess what is spec'd for that frame. Russell or the shop owners probably know. -- Jay Beattie. 1.65"x25.4=41.91mm. There's the Campy 42mm "Hiddenset" standard, and the 41mm Cane Creek "Integrated" standard. Put a gun to my head, and I'd say it's the Campy. |
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On Oct 10, 4:24*am, Hank wrote:
On Oct 9, 6:25*pm, Jay Beattie wrote: On Oct 9, 5:31*am, " wrote: On Oct 8, 10:50*pm, Jay Beattie wrote: On Oct 8, 12:46*pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 2:18*pm, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Oct 8, 10:28*am, " wrote: On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote: I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986 orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty. Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names, badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no? Thanks, Dan That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the 1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames. Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and ride it! Use any 1 1/8inch headset, standard type with outboard cups and this along with all the other Merckx's, from then to today, use the far superior Italian BB threading...... ;-lo- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you sure about the head set? *Check this picture out:http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...71666847538114 Again, appreciate any and all help.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The term "1 1/8 headset" refers to the steerer diameter and not the diameter of the head tube or bearing seat. *That bike probably has a 1 1/8" steerer. *Give that a measure and see what it is. -- Jay Beattie.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't doubt the 1-1/8th part, it most certainly is 1-1/8th. *I was questioning the "outboard" part.- Hide quoted text - So would I. *That bike probably takes an integrated headset -- although there is such a mishmash of integrated, internal, semi- integrated, etc. out there that I hazard to make a guess what is spec'd for that frame. Russell or the shop owners probably know. -- Jay Beattie. 1.65"x25.4=41.91mm. There's the Campy 42mm "Hiddenset" standard, and the 41mm Cane Creek "Integrated" standard. Put a gun to my head, and I'd say it's the Campy.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think you may be correct. I searched model + your info and came up with this http://www.bikyle.com/MerckxSale.asp Granted those are newer, but I'd be surprised if the standard changed to something else so similar. So far I know (or at least strongly suspect) the following: 1) "Italian" threaded BB. 2) Campy "hidden" HS. The site I found says it can use Record or Chorus. I wonder if there is any reason you couldn't use another model, assuming it was Campy "hidden"? I suppose it doesn't make any sense to build a bike like this on entry level components, but at the same time it'll take eons to get built if I buy Record everything. I also suppose it depends what comes up for deals. Cane Creek makes headsets compatible w/ the campy hidden thing, plenty of people make campy compatable BBs, etc. Again, thanks for the help. Looks like I'm starting to get pointed in the right direction here. |
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