Horner's team is riding his bikes.

Did you know?

I do not know the exact numbers. But I think...
In Horners contract this year he is making like 60k.
Not only that.

But if he wants to send his team to the front in the olympic trials
why not?
I **** you not!! But not only does he get 60k, I heard he gets all the
team bike and equipment at the end of the year also. How does that
make you teammates feel?

J

(John) wrote in message . com...
Did you know?

I do not know the exact numbers. But I think...
In Horners contract this year he is making like 60k.
Not only that.

But if he wants to send his team to the front in the olympic trials
why not?
I **** you not!! But not only does he get 60k, I heard he gets all the
team bike and equipment at the end of the year also. How does that
make you teammates feel?

How does this compare to Julich's or Leipheimer's contract ?

Two guys who aren't arguably better.

(John) wrote in message . com...
Did you know?

I do not know the exact numbers. But I think...
In Horners contract this year he is making like 60k.
Not only that.

But if he wants to send his team to the front in the olympic trials
why not?
I **** you not!! But not only does he get 60k, I heard he gets all the
team bike and equipment at the end of the year also. How does that
make you teammates feel?

J

Just for clarification- He (Horner) gets ALL the teams equipment. The
pee-ons have to turn their rigs over to him. It's in the contract.
That is his property at 12-31-04. I doubt he wants the chamois,
though.

Ronde Champ

Amit wrote:
How does this compare to Julich's or Leipheimer's contract ?

Two guys who aren't arguably better.

As modest as Julich and Leipheimer's palmares are, they far outshine
Horner's.

Current rankings:
65 Julich
122 Liepheimer
231 Horner

Horner has never had a result in competition at a level that he
would see in the Olympics.

Bob Schwartz

Ronde Champ wrote:

Just for clarification- He (Horner) gets ALL the teams equipment. The
pee-ons have to turn their rigs over to him. It's in the contract.
That is his property at 12-31-04. I doubt he wants the chamois,
though.

Ronde Champ

I heard the Blue Oyster Bar pays a handsome amount for used chamois.

--
Perre

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"Bob Schwartz" wrote in message
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Amit wrote:
How does this compare to Julich's or Leipheimer's contract ?

Two guys who aren't arguably better.

As modest as Julich and Leipheimer's palmares are, they far outshine
Horner's.

Current rankings:
65 Julich
122 Liepheimer
231 Horner

Horner has never had a result in competition at a level that he
would see in the Olympics.

Come on, at least be honest about it - if Horner could head a team in Europe
he'd be in contention for the max points. Chris just kills them all during
the early season and also in the late season. But the only way he could have
his head in a Euro race would be to put in his time and why should he be a
pion when he can stay here and be a hero for almost the same income?

Tom Kunich wrote:
"Bob Schwartz" wrote in message
...
Amit wrote:
How does this compare to Julich's or Leipheimer's contract ?

Two guys who aren't arguably better.

As modest as Julich and Leipheimer's palmares are, they far outshine
Horner's.

Current rankings:
65 Julich
122 Liepheimer
231 Horner

Horner has never had a result in competition at a level that he
would see in the Olympics.

Come on, at least be honest about it - if Horner could head a team in Europe
he'd be in contention for the max points. Chris just kills them all during
the early season and also in the late season. But the only way he could have
his head in a Euro race would be to put in his time and why should he be a
pion when he can stay here and be a hero for almost the same income?

- Why would anyone hire a guy to head their team that rode in Europe
for three years and washed out?

- I understand and appreciate the differences between racing in
Europe and the US. The Olympics are for people that desire to
compete at the highest levels of their sport.

Bob Schwartz

Bob Schwartz wrote in message ...
Amit wrote:
How does this compare to Julich's or Leipheimer's contract ?

Two guys who aren't arguably better.

As modest as Julich and Leipheimer's palmares are, they far outshine
Horner's.

Current rankings:
65 Julich
122 Liepheimer
231 Horner

Horner has never had a result in competition at a level that he
would see in the Olympics.


All three rode the Worlds last year, only Horner was active in the race.

Horner and Julich also went head to head at Georgia this year:

Rome-Rome ITT

1 Lance Armstrong (USA) 39.52
2 Jens Voigt (Ger) at 0.22
3 Chris Horner (USA) at 0.45
4 Bobby Julich (USA) at 1.00
7 Jason McCartney (USA) at 1.27

Brasstown Bald

2 Jens Voigt (Ger) CSC at 0.17
3 Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal Service/Berry Floor
4 Chris Horner (USA) Webcor at 0.27
5 Scott Moninger (USA) Health Net at 1.02
6 Bobby Julich (USA) CSC at 1.08

I can't see a clear case for Julich being better.

In article , Amit
wrote:

Bob Schwartz wrote in message
...
Amit wrote:
How does this compare to Julich's or Leipheimer's contract ?

Two guys who aren't arguably better.

As modest as Julich and Leipheimer's palmares are, they far outshine
Horner's.

Current rankings:
65 Julich
122 Liepheimer
231 Horner

Horner has never had a result in competition at a level that he
would see in the Olympics.


All three rode the Worlds last year, only Horner was active in the race.

Horner and Julich also went head to head at Georgia this year:

Rome-Rome ITT

1 Lance Armstrong (USA) 39.52
2 Jens Voigt (Ger) at 0.22
3 Chris Horner (USA) at 0.45
4 Bobby Julich (USA) at 1.00
7 Jason McCartney (USA) at 1.27

Brasstown Bald

2 Jens Voigt (Ger) CSC at 0.17
3 Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal Service/Berry Floor
4 Chris Horner (USA) Webcor at 0.27
5 Scott Moninger (USA) Health Net at 1.02
6 Bobby Julich (USA) CSC at 1.08

I can't see a clear case for Julich being better.

Except that Julich cares alot less about his result in Georgia than he
does in Switzerland and France and maybe the Olympics, and probably 5
other races he'll do this season.

-WG

Amit wrote:
Bob Schwartz wrote in message ...
Amit wrote:
How does this compare to Julich's or Leipheimer's contract ?

Two guys who aren't arguably better.

As modest as Julich and Leipheimer's palmares are, they far outshine
Horner's.

Current rankings:
65 Julich
122 Liepheimer
231 Horner

Horner has never had a result in competition at a level that he
would see in the Olympics.


All three rode the Worlds last year, only Horner was active in the race.

Horner and Julich also went head to head at Georgia this year:

Rome-Rome ITT

1 Lance Armstrong (USA) 39.52
2 Jens Voigt (Ger) at 0.22
3 Chris Horner (USA) at 0.45
4 Bobby Julich (USA) at 1.00
7 Jason McCartney (USA) at 1.27

Brasstown Bald

2 Jens Voigt (Ger) CSC at 0.17
3 Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal Service/Berry Floor
4 Chris Horner (USA) Webcor at 0.27
5 Scott Moninger (USA) Health Net at 1.02
6 Bobby Julich (USA) CSC at 1.08

I can't see a clear case for Julich being better.

The selection criteria were, in priority order:
- The trials winner (Congratulations Jason McCartney)
- Top 3 in Hamilton (no one got this one)
- Top 5 GC in a Grand Tour (LANCE and Tyler)
- Top 5 GC in an HC stage race (Julich and Hincapie)
- There are a couple other criteria listed just in case

Julich took 3rd (and Hincapie 5th) in Paris-Nice, a
highly contested HC stage race. Georgia was 2.3.

I like Horner. I understand the differences between
racing in the US and racing in Europe. The downside of
choosing to race in the US is that he spends little
time in really hard races against the top levels of
competition. And he has to roll the dice in a trials
race to make the Olympic team.

The guy has no record of success at Olympic level
competition. Zero. None. In my mind this makes it
hard to make the case that he should go.

Bob Schwartz