Help (or suggested resources) for identifying frame?

I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this
frame: http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986
or http://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I
should have more info this afternoon. It’s believed to be from the
early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon
frame, not sure which. I’ve been looking around and coming up empty.
Any help would be appreciated. My buddy is going by it again today
and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names,
badges, etc. Should I have him get a serial no?

Thanks,

Dan

On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote:
I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this
frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986
orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I
should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the
early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon
frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty.
Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today
and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names,
badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no?

Thanks,

Dan

That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the
1990s. When Axel Merckx rode for them. As you say carbon rear
triangle. Aluminum front. Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not
the seatstays. Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone
else. Chainstays instead of seatstays. Colorado Cyclist used to sell
this frame way back when. When they carried Merckx frames.

On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, "
wrote:
On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote:

I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this
frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986
orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I
should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the
early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon
frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty.
Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today
and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names,
badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no?

Thanks,

Dan

That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the
1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear
triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not
the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone
else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell
this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames.

Cool, thanks! Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head
tube size & BB size/thread? I just "inherited" that frame as a gift
from a friend. The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in
great condition. From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork
set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond
Alpe D'Huez? Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and
ride it!

On Oct 8, 12:28*pm, " wrote:
On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, "





wrote:
On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote:

I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this
frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986
orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I
should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the
early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon
frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty.
Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today
and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names,
badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no?

Thanks,

Dan

That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the
1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear
triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not
the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone
else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell
this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames.

Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head
tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift
from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in
great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork
set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond
Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and
ride it!- Hide quoted text -

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Apparently it's a Team SC Easton SC7000. What looks like a SN but
seems too short to be one is FM-51.
Scandium Taperwall w/ some carbon - my buddy thinks downtube & chain
stay. Appears to have a euro bb of some sort (he's guessing here
based on size). Neat. Now to hunt down the particulars.

On Oct 8, 12:26*pm, " wrote:
On Oct 8, 12:28*pm, " wrote:





On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, "

wrote:
On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote:

I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this
frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986
orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I
should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the
early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon
frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty.
Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today
and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names,
badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no?

Thanks,

Dan

That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the
1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear
triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not
the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone
else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell
this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames.

Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head
tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift
from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in
great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork
set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond
Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and
ride it!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Apparently it's a Team SC Easton SC7000. *What looks like a SN but
seems too short to be one is FM-51.
Scandium Taperwall w/ some carbon - my buddy thinks downtube & chain
stay. *Appears to have a euro bb of some sort (he's guessing here
based on size). *Neat. *Now to hunt down the particulars.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The Merckx carbon chainstays were carbon wrapped over the aluminum.
That I remember. Downtube is aluminum only. No help on dimensions
other than Merckx followed the Italian sizing method of too short of
top tubes and too long of stems. Way back when it was the Merckx top
of the line frame for the sponsored race teams. So it was high end.
This was of course before carbon frames became all the rage.

On Oct 8, 10:28*am, " wrote:
On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, "



wrote:
On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote:

I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this
frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986
orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I
should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the
early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon
frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty.
Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today
and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names,
badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no?

Thanks,

Dan

That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the
1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear
triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not
the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone
else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell
this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames.

Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head
tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift
from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in
great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork
set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond
Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and
ride it!

Use any 1 1/8inch headset, standard type with outboard cups and this
along with all the other Merckx's, from then to today, use the far
superior Italian BB threading......


;-lo

On Oct 8, 2:18*pm, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
On Oct 8, 10:28*am, " wrote:



On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, "

wrote:
On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote:

I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this
frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986
orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I
should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the
early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon
frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty.
Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today
and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names,
badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no?

Thanks,

Dan

That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the
1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear
triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not
the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone
else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell
this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames.

Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head
tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift
from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in
great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork
set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond
Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and
ride it!

Use any 1 1/8inch headset, standard type with outboard cups and this
along with all the other Merckx's, from then to today, use the far
superior Italian BB threading......

Why is one type of threading preferable to another? I know I'm
missing something, just not sure if it's information or the sarcasm!

R

On Oct 8, 1:42*pm, "
wrote:
On Oct 8, 12:26*pm, " wrote:





On Oct 8, 12:28*pm, " wrote:

On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, "

wrote:
On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote:

I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this
frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986
orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I
should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the
early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon
frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty.
Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today
and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names,
badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no?

Thanks,

Dan

That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the
1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear
triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not
the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone
else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell
this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames.

Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head
tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift
from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in
great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork
set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond
Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and
ride it!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Apparently it's a Team SC Easton SC7000. *What looks like a SN but
seems too short to be one is FM-51.
Scandium Taperwall w/ some carbon - my buddy thinks downtube & chain
stay. *Appears to have a euro bb of some sort (he's guessing here
based on size). *Neat. *Now to hunt down the particulars.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The Merckx carbon chainstays were carbon wrapped over the aluminum.
That I remember. *Downtube is aluminum only. *No help on dimensions
other than Merckx followed the Italian sizing method of too short of
top tubes and too long of stems. *Way back when it was the Merckx top
of the line frame for the sponsored race teams. *So it was high end.
This was of course before carbon frames became all the rage.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I've got the frame now, and you appear to be dead-on. All but the
rear chain stays are scandium aluminum alloy. The rear stays are
visibly carbon, but if you say that carbon is wrapping alloy I believe
you. The geometry of the frame does look a touch weird. The previous
owner was my height, hopefully it’s close enough. More pics here
http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/Merckx#. I sure would love to
find out an exact year, but that’s the case for at least ½ of my bikes
– part of getting used stuff I guess. Certainly can’t complain on a
freebie.

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RicodJour wrote:

On Oct 8, 2:18*pm, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
On Oct 8, 10:28*am, " wrote:

On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, "

wrote:
On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote:

I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this
frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986
orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn¹t much to go on, I
should have more info this afternoon. *It¹s believed to be from the
early to mid 90¹s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon
frame, not sure which. *I¹ve been looking around and coming up empty.
Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today
and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names,
badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no?

Thanks,

Dan

That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the
1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear
triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not
the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone
else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell
this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames.

Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head
tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift
from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in
great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork
set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond
Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and
ride it!

Use any 1 1/8inch headset, standard type with outboard cups and this
along with all the other Merckx's, from then to today, use the far
superior Italian BB threading......

Why is one type of threading preferable to another? I know I'm
missing something, just not sure if it's information or the sarcasm!

It's sarcasm. rbt consensus is that the Italian BB (no reverse thread on
the non-drive side) is inferior to ISO (reverse thread on drive side)
due to the risk of loosening. Peter stands up for the honour of the land
of Campagnolo in pointing out that a well-tightened Italian BB hardly
ever loosens off, and to tweak noses.

We shall not speak of French and Swiss BBs here, except to note that
even the French and Swiss have abandoned them.

rbt wisdom is essentially right: given the choice between the Italian
and ISO standards, ISO is better, albeit marginally. On the other hand,
BBs have been an area of aggressive innovation lately, with several new
designs (some proprietary, some open, most without any threads) coming
to market.

There's a thing called BB30 which has half a chance of being the new,
oversized and threadless standard. There's good reasons to prefer an
unthreaded BB, and oversizing isn't a bad thing in this case either, but
none of the advantages of these BB standards are enough to make it worth
changing your old bike.

Whatever BB your frame has, follow the classic Jobstian advice: ride
bike.

Now, if nobody minds, I need to go build up my ISO-BB'd Bianchi Rita.

--
Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

On Oct 8, 2:18*pm, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
On Oct 8, 10:28*am, " wrote:





On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, "

wrote:
On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote:

I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this
frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986
orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I
should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the
early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon
frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty.
Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today
and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names,
badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no?

Thanks,

Dan

That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the
1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear
triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not
the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone
else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell
this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames.

Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head
tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift
from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in
great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork
set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond
Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and
ride it!

Use any 1 1/8inch headset, standard type with outboard cups and this
along with all the other Merckx's, from then to today, use the far
superior Italian BB threading......

;-lo- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Are you sure about the head set? Check this picture out:
http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...71666847538114

Again, appreciate any and all help.