The American Fascist Party can't all be cyclists!

On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 12:39:18 AM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 2:29:33 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 11:24:35 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
Jay Beattie insists:

Free speech receives more protection in Oregon than any state in the union.

That's the funniest thing I've read in a week. If Jay had added only two words -- "Klantifa permitting", it would have been Shakespearean tragi-comedy.

You might want to brush up on the US Constitution. The last time I checked, the Klantifa was not the state. Proud Boys, Nazis and Patriot prayer are beating down and shutting up -- running over and shooting -- their fair share of people. https://www.splcenter.org/20180205/a...killing-people Absent criminal conduct, individuals can tell other individuals to STFU. In fact . . .

-- Jay Beattie.

A friendly hint in your shell-like, Jay: people who present the Southern Poverty Law Center as a source cannot expect any respect, and are likely to be suspected of being totally out of touch with reality. The SPLC is currently embroiled in its own scandals: its leadership apparently fondled women and harassed minorities on the staff. The writer of the article you referred us to has "alleged perpetrators" in the first sentence, besides the fact that the SPLC is unreliable and biased, even the reporter is embarrassed at having to cite their allegation. Let's have some facts instead of allegations. Andy Ngo is in hospital with a brain haemorrhage cause by being beaten up with pipes by Antifa while the Portland Police looked on. That's a fact. Attempts by the SPLC to blow the smoke of moral equivalence over this hard fact with pipe dream "allegations" is not a fact, but smoke.


Show me one Antifa killing. I don't approve of them, but so far, they've been relatively harmless. Also, there is absolutely no evidence that they were standing there allowing the assault.

Andy Ngo is not in a hospital with a brain bleed. He was apparently observed and released.

-- Jay Beattie

If it were not for the Trolls on this newsgroup and those who reply to them (thus letting the Trolls pass our Killfiles) there'd be very little action on this newsgroup.

Oh for the days when this newsgroup was about BICYCLES.

Cheers

Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 12:39:18 AM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:

Show me one Antifa killing.

http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.eu/pelotons/coureurs.php?c=21562

Oh for the days when this newsgroup was about BICYCLES.

You could discuss who, to be safe from American kindergarden antifa, will
need to dump their well-maintained Bianchi bikes, new Pirelli tires, and
black bicycling attire (for AMuzi to pick up for centesimi on the dollar.)

On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:39:18 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 2:29:33 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 11:24:35 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
Jay Beattie insists:

Free speech receives more protection in Oregon than any state in the union.

That's the funniest thing I've read in a week. If Jay had added only two words -- "Klantifa permitting", it would have been Shakespearean tragi-comedy.

You might want to brush up on the US Constitution. The last time I checked, the Klantifa was not the state. Proud Boys, Nazis and Patriot prayer are beating down and shutting up -- running over and shooting -- their fair share of people. https://www.splcenter.org/20180205/a...killing-people Absent criminal conduct, individuals can tell other individuals to STFU. In fact . . .

-- Jay Beattie.

A friendly hint in your shell-like, Jay: people who present the Southern Poverty Law Center as a source cannot expect any respect, and are likely to be suspected of being totally out of touch with reality. The SPLC is currently embroiled in its own scandals: its leadership apparently fondled women and harassed minorities on the staff. The writer of the article you referred us to has "alleged perpetrators" in the first sentence, besides the fact that the SPLC is unreliable and biased, even the reporter is embarrassed at having to cite their allegation. Let's have some facts instead of allegations. Andy Ngo is in hospital with a brain haemorrhage cause by being beaten up with pipes by Antifa while the Portland Police looked on. That's a fact. Attempts by the SPLC to blow the smoke of moral equivalence over this hard fact with pipe dream "allegations" is not a fact, but smoke.


Show me one Antifa killing. I don't approve of them, but so far, they've been relatively harmless. Also, there is absolutely no evidence that they were standing there allowing the assault.

Andy Ngo is not in a hospital with a brain bleed. He was apparently observed and released.

-- Jay Beattie

Can you tell us why the hospital and his doctors reported a brain hemorrhage and you're attempting to make as little of that as possible? Because he isn't in the hospital NOW it was perfectly OK in your book?

On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:04:11 AM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 12:39:18 AM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 2:29:33 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 11:24:35 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
Jay Beattie insists:

Free speech receives more protection in Oregon than any state in the union.

That's the funniest thing I've read in a week. If Jay had added only two words -- "Klantifa permitting", it would have been Shakespearean tragi-comedy.

You might want to brush up on the US Constitution. The last time I checked, the Klantifa was not the state. Proud Boys, Nazis and Patriot prayer are beating down and shutting up -- running over and shooting -- their fair share of people. https://www.splcenter.org/20180205/a...killing-people Absent criminal conduct, individuals can tell other individuals to STFU. In fact . . .

-- Jay Beattie.

A friendly hint in your shell-like, Jay: people who present the Southern Poverty Law Center as a source cannot expect any respect, and are likely to be suspected of being totally out of touch with reality. The SPLC is currently embroiled in its own scandals: its leadership apparently fondled women and harassed minorities on the staff. The writer of the article you referred us to has "alleged perpetrators" in the first sentence, besides the fact that the SPLC is unreliable and biased, even the reporter is embarrassed at having to cite their allegation. Let's have some facts instead of allegations. Andy Ngo is in hospital with a brain haemorrhage cause by being beaten up with pipes by Antifa while the Portland Police looked on. That's a fact. Attempts by the SPLC to blow the smoke of moral equivalence over this hard fact with pipe dream "allegations" is not a fact, but smoke.


Show me one Antifa killing. I don't approve of them, but so far, they've been relatively harmless. Also, there is absolutely no evidence that they were standing there allowing the assault.

Andy Ngo is not in a hospital with a brain bleed. He was apparently observed and released.

-- Jay Beattie

If it were not for the Trolls on this newsgroup and those who reply to them (thus letting the Trolls pass our Killfiles) there'd be very little action on this newsgroup.

Oh for the days when this newsgroup was about BICYCLES.

Cheers

While I am in agreement with your position that this is a bicycle group, let's please remember that as of now bicyclists are a minority on public roads and lawlessness can easily effect you and I a great deal more than reporters.

This was a very serious proposition and I see fewer and fewer cyclists on the roads exactly where you would expect to see more - around colleges and inner cities.

I saw a great many cyclists last week, but the odd thing about it was that almost all of them were 40 or older. This is very much the opposite of Europe. And they were riding far out in the countryside and not in the city.

In the 8 years I've been "awake" since my concussion I have never seen ONE traffic ticket issued to anyone but myself (for driving suspiciously - I was doing the speed limit) and that caused the cop to notice that my tag was out of date. And that was the result of my not knowing that I had to have a smog test that automatically reported the results to the DNV. They still had my money but it was too much trouble for them to remind me that the older type smog test was no longer allowed.

Lately cars have ceased even making a show of trying to stop at stop signs. I have watched MANY cars drive straight through red lights LONG after the light had changed. This was so common that the cross traffic at that intersection expected it and waited for this guy to go through at 50 mph. Yesterday my friend was riding next to me about 3 inches out of the bicycle lane and despite the road being 12 ft wide at that location a passing car laid on the horn.

People that believe that they are the center of the universe and a police department that doesn't believe that they actually have a job to do are an extremely dangerous combination to bicyclists do this subject is really important.

On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 8:14:54 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:39:18 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 2:29:33 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 11:24:35 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
Jay Beattie insists:

Free speech receives more protection in Oregon than any state in the union.

That's the funniest thing I've read in a week. If Jay had added only two words -- "Klantifa permitting", it would have been Shakespearean tragi-comedy.

You might want to brush up on the US Constitution. The last time I checked, the Klantifa was not the state. Proud Boys, Nazis and Patriot prayer are beating down and shutting up -- running over and shooting -- their fair share of people. https://www.splcenter.org/20180205/a...killing-people Absent criminal conduct, individuals can tell other individuals to STFU. In fact . . .

-- Jay Beattie.

A friendly hint in your shell-like, Jay: people who present the Southern Poverty Law Center as a source cannot expect any respect, and are likely to be suspected of being totally out of touch with reality. The SPLC is currently embroiled in its own scandals: its leadership apparently fondled women and harassed minorities on the staff. The writer of the article you referred us to has "alleged perpetrators" in the first sentence, besides the fact that the SPLC is unreliable and biased, even the reporter is embarrassed at having to cite their allegation. Let's have some facts instead of allegations. Andy Ngo is in hospital with a brain haemorrhage cause by being beaten up with pipes by Antifa while the Portland Police looked on. That's a fact. Attempts by the SPLC to blow the smoke of moral equivalence over this hard fact with pipe dream "allegations" is not a fact, but smoke.


Show me one Antifa killing. I don't approve of them, but so far, they've been relatively harmless. Also, there is absolutely no evidence that they were standing there allowing the assault.

Andy Ngo is not in a hospital with a brain bleed. He was apparently observed and released.

-- Jay Beattie

Can you tell us why the hospital and his doctors reported a brain hemorrhage and you're attempting to make as little of that as possible? Because he isn't in the hospital NOW it was perfectly OK in your book?

The hospital said nothing, and HIPAA would prevent them from saying anything. Ngo and Ngo's attorney reported that he was out of the hospital by Sunday night, indicating a single night of observation and the typical long discharge process. No indication that he was prescribed anti-epileptics or the usual treatments for non-surgical "brain bleeds."

We really have no idea of what he means by a "brain bleed." His videos and tweets following the attack clearly indicate that he did not have severe inter-cranial bleeding at that time. After you got knocked out, were you tweeting and making videos? You probably don't remember.

Ngo's post-assault field neuro exam is on video. Watch it. He's oriented to time and place, verbal, fluid with no apparent neurologic deficit. I used to do Glasgow coma scores all the time working ambulance. Andy was 15/15.

Assault is not O.K., I'm not running interference for Antifa -- and I hate them for other reasons, e.g. assaulting civilians and blocking traffic. The same reasons I hate the alt-right groups. Ngo, however, is part of the over-all WWF downtown clown-show prompted by the appearance of the Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer, etc. NGO had been pelted with milkshakes even before the assault -- which he stopped to photograph with his iPhone and/or his GoPro on a self-stick. He's the guy in goggles, which I guess are typical journalist garb. Along with GoPros and selfie-sticks.
https://thefederalist.com/wp-content...11-768x513.jpg

PPB was not escorting Ngo or even present when he was assaulted. The narrative that they just stood-by and watched is false. PPB is typically tasked with keeping the groups apart and tend to mass where the groups are coming together. They do not "embed" themselves in the groups, AFAIK.

PPB gets criticized because they don't act like Storm Troopers, and then when they act like Storm Troopers, they get criticized. It sucks to be PPB. But it sucks even more when a bunch of out of state alt-right or alt-left rubber-neckers get involved.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 11:33:08 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:

I saw a great many cyclists last week, but the odd thing about it was that almost all of them were 40 or older. This is very much the opposite of Europe.

Hmm. Maybe we need to adopt the policies of Europe? You know, that damned
socialistic mindset? ;-)

In the 8 years I've been "awake" since my concussion I have never seen ONE traffic ticket issued to anyone but myself...

Wow. In my little suburban village, it's not unusual to see cops writing tickets
more than once per day. I don't know if that's somehow connected to this being
one of the safest communities in the state, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Tom, you need to A) get someone to recognize your (undocumented) brilliance and
give you a good job; B) Sell some of that half million fortune you claim to
have in the markets; and most important:

C) Use the resulting money to move out of that hell hole.

Every day you stay there and whine about your surroundings adds evidence that
you're sadly lacking in success.

- Frank Krygowski

On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 12:49:54 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:

PPB gets criticized because they don't act like Storm Troopers, and then when they act like Storm Troopers, they get criticized. It sucks to be PPB.

I have several friends who are cops or ex-cops. Each of them is dedicated to
doing well at a very difficult job - a job I'd never, ever want to tackle.

- Frank Krygowski

On 7/6/2019 5:34 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 11:21:35 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 10:08:09 AM UTC+1, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 11:53:04 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 7:14:53 AM UTC-7, Zen Cycle wrote:
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 8:53:13 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:
See https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...lands-anti-fa/ about the police-assisted fascisti who call themselves Anti-Fa in Portland beating up a gay Asian journalist.

Andre Jute
Disgusted at the Antifa's racism

Still hoping for another krystalnacht when your "proud boys" are allowed to run amok with impunity, eh Andre? Or maybe you would just like to see people passively sit and 'turn the other cheek' like when Dylan Roof performed his act of heroism on that unsuspecting elder black prayer circle. Face it, you're just ****ed because people are actively fighting back against your attempts at suppression/oppression. Ngo was an active supporter of the 'proud boys', and had published Islamophobic screeds. He may be gay and asian, but you know you're actually being quite dishonest when you suggested he was targeted for that. Meanwhile, the rants on your side of "jews will not replace us" go completely unmentioned by you.

Zencycle
Disgusted at Jute's hypocrisy.

The Antifa are the SAME people as Hitler's brownshirts and they should be treated as such. I would have had a different reaction than some journalist who was doing nothing but reporting what was going on.

Believe me Zen - if you were to make your comments to my face you would only do it once.

As you say, I do not live in the U.S. and haven't for some years so I
have never heard of the "Antifa"so I had to read up on them on the Net
and I read:

The Antifa movement is a conglomeration of left-wing autonomous,
militant anti-fascist groups in the United States... Activists
involved in the movement tend to be anti-capitalists and subscribe to
a range of ideologies, typically on the left. They include anarchists,
socialists and communists...

This hardly sounds like the Brownshirts, actual name "The
Sturmabteilung", literally Storm Detachment, was the Nazi Party's
original paramilitary.Its primary purposes were providing protection
for Nazi rallies and assemblies, disrupting the meetings of opposing
parties, especially the Communist Party of Germany (KPD), and
intimidating Romani, trade unionists, and, especially, Jews.

It appears that you have gotten it wrong (yet again) as the Antifa are
described as being very Left Wing... anarchists, socialists and
communists.

While the Brownshirts seem to have been exactly the opposite and
attacked communists and trade unions and other such socialist
organizations.

--

Cheers,

John B.

You're such a dim dingbat, Slow Johnny. I've already explained above why Ernst Roehm's Brownshirts were far left-wingers. But let me spell it out for you. Hitler, a socialist and leader of the National Socialist or NaZi party for short, killed Roehm and the rest of the Brownshirt's leadership because the Army, whose support Hitler required to institute an elected dictatorship, demanded stability, and Roehm wanted his revolution to continue, that is, he was well to the left of Hitler who was courting the Prussian Establishment, which was essentially the Army. There was also an element of sexual politics, just as there is today, in that the Junkers (that's about 90% the same thing as the German Establishment, and the Army High Command too) found Roehm's homosexuality disgusting. Basically, Stalin had Trotsky killed (well, besides the fact that Trotsky knew how little Lenin valued Stalin, so that Stalin couldn't rewrite history to move himself centrestage during the Bolshevik Revolu
tion until Trotsky and a whole bunch of other Old Bolsheviks were dead) for the same reason, that Trotsky believed in everlasting revolution and Stalin was in power and consolidating and expanding his power, and did want any sideshow bovvers right then.

An exercise you may want to consider it to consider whether the "crowdsourced" information on Wikipedia isn't written by Klantifa and its sympathisers. You might also want to consider why Hitler, an explicit socialist, is called a "right-winger", and by whom, and what they have to gain, when that other massmurdering socialist thug, Stalin, to the Left is Dear Uncle Joe. Everything gets easier to understand once you go past the labels biased people have laid on them, and see them both as left-wing totalitarian thugs and murderers.

Andre Jute
Prayer for today: Oh, oh woe, save me from jumped-up mechanics with a link to Google!

In an almost continuous string ALL Snowflakes say the same thing - that President Trump is a fascist despite the fact that fascism is the inevitable result of socialism and the necessity for a socialist government to obtain total control of their countries.

While the socialists here are crying for more power over the people they are calling President Trump a fascist for removing progressively more and more government controls.

As you say, the morons do not know any history and they do not even know the actual definition of the terms they do easily throw about.


When asked, "What is Fascism?" Mussolini, noted expert on
the subject, replied, "Everything inside the State. Nothing
outside the State. Nothing against the State."

Sounds much like Bernie or Stalin or Marx himself to me.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 10:23:27 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 11:33:08 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:

I saw a great many cyclists last week, but the odd thing about it was that almost all of them were 40 or older. This is very much the opposite of Europe.

Hmm. Maybe we need to adopt the policies of Europe? You know, that damned
socialistic mindset? ;-)

In the 8 years I've been "awake" since my concussion I have never seen ONE traffic ticket issued to anyone but myself...

Wow. In my little suburban village, it's not unusual to see cops writing tickets
more than once per day. I don't know if that's somehow connected to this being
one of the safest communities in the state, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Tom, you need to A) get someone to recognize your (undocumented) brilliance and
give you a good job; B) Sell some of that half million fortune you claim to
have in the markets; and most important:

C) Use the resulting money to move out of that hell hole.

Every day you stay there and whine about your surroundings adds evidence that
you're sadly lacking in success.

- Frank Krygowski

Tell us all: Since my home, which is paid for, is now worth $700,000, Why would I need to cash in my investments to move elsewhere?

And according to American bicycle manufacturers you have to be a capitalist to be able to afford top of the line bikes. But according to Frank you have to be a socialist.

Specialty road bikes and MTB's account for almost $1.1 Billion in 2018. Another sign that Frank really knows what he is talking about.

On Sun, 7 Jul 2019 14:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 10:23:27 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 11:33:08 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:

I saw a great many cyclists last week, but the odd thing about it was that almost all of them were 40 or older. This is very much the opposite of Europe.

Hmm. Maybe we need to adopt the policies of Europe? You know, that damned
socialistic mindset? ;-)

In the 8 years I've been "awake" since my concussion I have never seen ONE traffic ticket issued to anyone but myself...

Wow. In my little suburban village, it's not unusual to see cops writing tickets
more than once per day. I don't know if that's somehow connected to this being
one of the safest communities in the state, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Tom, you need to A) get someone to recognize your (undocumented) brilliance and
give you a good job; B) Sell some of that half million fortune you claim to
have in the markets; and most important:

C) Use the resulting money to move out of that hell hole.

Every day you stay there and whine about your surroundings adds evidence that
you're sadly lacking in success.

- Frank Krygowski

Tell us all: Since my home, which is paid for, is now worth $700,000, Why would I need to cash in my investments to move elsewhere?

And according to American bicycle manufacturers you have to be a capitalist to be able to afford top of the line bikes. But according to Frank you have to be a socialist.

Specialty road bikes and MTB's account for almost $1.1 Billion in 2018. Another sign that Frank really knows what he is talking about.

It is a bit puzzling isn't it?

Here we have is a very wealthy individual who seems to, apparently,
be too poor to purchase quality made carbon fiber bicycle wheels, and
now complains about how poor the quality of the cheap Chinese wheels
that he did purchase.
--
cheers,

John B.