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Magilla expounded

Hypoxic tents do not change the partial pressure of oxygen in air.
Rather they de-saturate the air of oxygen molecules.

Try again.

Phil H

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Phil Holman wrote:

"MagillaGorilla" wrote in message
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Amit Ghosh wrote:

On Mar 26, 7:23 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Can you name a single pro who keeled over and died while racing
because
of blood that was too thick? If the answer is no then why does the
UCI
claim that resting is for their health?

the 50% scheme is a vestige from when there was an EPO test. it
should
be scrapped when there is an EPO test.

I know. I was just being facetious. Exceeding the 50% limit
basically means you were caught, but they just can't prove you were
transfusing blood or using EPO, so they have to call it a "safety"
suspension.

Resting roughly translates to ..... stop doing whatever it was you were
doing to raise your hemacrit to 50%, including legal manipulations.

There are no "legal" ways to raise your hematocrit.

Errhem. Altitude tents. As recommended by Lance Armstrong:
http://www.hypoxico.com/media.htm

--
(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To murder men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for
murther
-- Robert Burns, 'Thanksgiving For a National Victory'

Phil Holman wrote:

Magilla expounded


Hypoxic tents do not change the partial pressure of oxygen in air.
Rather they de-saturate the air of oxygen molecules.


Try again.

Phil H


I hate to use Wikipedia because it's gay, but this is the same thing I
said. Why do I need to try again?

Magilla

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altitude_tent


Rather than simulate altitude with low air pressure, the altitude tent
remains at normal air pressure, substituting low concentration of oxygen
for low pressure. While normal air contains 20.9% oxygen independent of
altitude, the air in an altitude tent contains as little as 12% oxygen
(the remainder being the inert gas, nitrogen). The partial pressure of
oxygen inside the tent is the same as it is at the natural elevation
that the tent is simulating.

Simon Brooke wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:


Phil Holman wrote:


"MagillaGorilla" wrote in message
.. .


Amit Ghosh wrote:


On Mar 26, 7:23 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:


Can you name a single pro who keeled over and died while racing
because
of blood that was too thick? If the answer is no then why does the
UCI
claim that resting is for their health?

the 50% scheme is a vestige from when there was an EPO test. it
should
be scrapped when there is an EPO test.

I know. I was just being facetious. Exceeding the 50% limit
basically means you were caught, but they just can't prove you were
transfusing blood or using EPO, so they have to call it a "safety"
suspension.

Resting roughly translates to ..... stop doing whatever it was you were
doing to raise your hemacrit to 50%, including legal manipulations.

There are no "legal" ways to raise your hematocrit.


Errhem. Altitude tents. As recommended by Lance Armstrong:
http://www.hypoxico.com/media.htm


Thanks for the commercial. Now read this, smart mouth.

Magilla


http://www.hypoxico.com/faq.htm

7Q. Will my Hematocrit level rise?

A: This was confirmed in a recent independent HYPOXIC ALTITUDE TENT
study where, although the "tent group" showed significant gains, there
was no change in hematocrit.

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Mark wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Phil Holman wrote:

"MagillaGorilla" wrote in message
...

Amit Ghosh wrote:

On Mar 26, 7:23 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:



Can you name a single pro who keeled over and died while racing
because
of blood that was too thick? If the answer is no then why does
the UCI
claim that resting is for their health?



the 50% scheme is a vestige from when there was an EPO test. it
should
be scrapped when there is an EPO test.



I know. I was just being facetious. Exceeding the 50% limit
basically means you were caught, but they just can't prove you were
transfusing blood or using EPO, so they have to call it a "safety"
suspension.


Resting roughly translates to ..... stop doing whatever it was you
were doing to raise your hemacrit to 50%, including legal
manipulations.

Phil H



There are no "legal" ways to raise your hematocrit.

Magilla


Geez, tell that to the Red Cross nurse won't let you donate blood due
to low hematocrit. Eat foods high in iron. For the athletes, do some
altitude training, hypoxia tents (regardless of Dick Pound or whoever
that was), etc.

Mark J.


Training at altitude and hypoxic tents rely on two totally different
physiological mechanisms.

When you train at altitude, the partial pressure of oxygen at the
pulmonary capillary level is less than at sea level. However, the
concentration of oxygen in the air stays the same.

Hypoxic tents do not change the partial pressure of oxygen in air.
Rather they de-saturate the air of oxygen molecules.

When you train at altitude, you are really training in a "hypobaric
tent" (not a hypoxic tent).

That's something hypoxic tent manufacturers don't want to tell you.

None of that matters. What matters is that they are legal ways to raise
hematocrit.

Kyle Legate wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote:

Mark wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Phil Holman wrote:

"MagillaGorilla" wrote in message
...

Amit Ghosh wrote:

On Mar 26, 7:23 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:



Can you name a single pro who keeled over and died while racing
because
of blood that was too thick? If the answer is no then why does
the UCI
claim that resting is for their health?



the 50% scheme is a vestige from when there was an EPO test. it
should
be scrapped when there is an EPO test.




I know. I was just being facetious. Exceeding the 50% limit
basically means you were caught, but they just can't prove you
were transfusing blood or using EPO, so they have to call it a
"safety" suspension.


Resting roughly translates to ..... stop doing whatever it was you
were doing to raise your hemacrit to 50%, including legal
manipulations.

Phil H




There are no "legal" ways to raise your hematocrit.

Magilla



Geez, tell that to the Red Cross nurse won't let you donate blood due
to low hematocrit. Eat foods high in iron. For the athletes, do
some altitude training, hypoxia tents (regardless of Dick Pound or
whoever that was), etc.

Mark J.



Training at altitude and hypoxic tents rely on two totally different
physiological mechanisms.

When you train at altitude, the partial pressure of oxygen at the
pulmonary capillary level is less than at sea level. However, the
concentration of oxygen in the air stays the same.

Hypoxic tents do not change the partial pressure of oxygen in air.
Rather they de-saturate the air of oxygen molecules.

When you train at altitude, you are really training in a "hypobaric
tent" (not a hypoxic tent).

That's something hypoxic tent manufacturers don't want to tell you.

None of that matters. What matters is that they are legal ways to raise
hematocrit.


Thanks. Now read this, smart mouth.

Magilla


http://www.hypoxico.com/faq.htm

7Q. Will my Hematocrit level rise?

A: This was confirmed in a recent independent HYPOXIC ALTITUDE TENT
study where, although the "tent group" showed significant gains, there
was no change in hematocrit.

"MagillaGorilla" wrote in message
...
Phil Holman wrote:

Magilla expounded


Hypoxic tents do not change the partial pressure of oxygen in air.
Rather they de-saturate the air of oxygen molecules.


Try again.

Phil H


I hate to use Wikipedia because it's gay, but this is the same thing I
said. Why do I need to try again?

Magilla

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altitude_tent


Rather than simulate altitude with low air pressure, the altitude tent
remains at normal air pressure, substituting low concentration of
oxygen for low pressure. While normal air contains 20.9% oxygen
independent of altitude, the air in an altitude tent contains as
little as 12% oxygen (the remainder being the inert gas, nitrogen).
The partial pressure of oxygen inside the tent is the same as it is at
the natural elevation that the tent is simulating.

Now look up partial pressure in a more reliable source and identify the
inconsistency.

Phil H

Phil Holman wrote:
"MagillaGorilla" wrote in message
...

Phil Holman wrote:


Magilla expounded



Hypoxic tents do not change the partial pressure of oxygen in air.
Rather they de-saturate the air of oxygen molecules.


Try again.

Phil H


I hate to use Wikipedia because it's gay, but this is the same thing I
said. Why do I need to try again?

Magilla

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altitude_tent


Rather than simulate altitude with low air pressure, the altitude tent
remains at normal air pressure, substituting low concentration of
oxygen for low pressure. While normal air contains 20.9% oxygen
independent of altitude, the air in an altitude tent contains as
little as 12% oxygen (the remainder being the inert gas, nitrogen).
The partial pressure of oxygen inside the tent is the same as it is at
the natural elevation that the tent is simulating.


Now look up partial pressure in a more reliable source and identify the
inconsistency.

Phil H




No.

Magilla

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Kyle Legate wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote:

Mark wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Phil Holman wrote:

"MagillaGorilla" wrote in message
...

Amit Ghosh wrote:

On Mar 26, 7:23 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:



Can you name a single pro who keeled over and died while racing
because
of blood that was too thick? If the answer is no then why does
the UCI
claim that resting is for their health?



the 50% scheme is a vestige from when there was an EPO test. it
should
be scrapped when there is an EPO test.




I know. I was just being facetious. Exceeding the 50% limit
basically means you were caught, but they just can't prove you
were transfusing blood or using EPO, so they have to call it a
"safety" suspension.


Resting roughly translates to ..... stop doing whatever it was
you were doing to raise your hemacrit to 50%, including legal
manipulations.

Phil H




There are no "legal" ways to raise your hematocrit.

Magilla



Geez, tell that to the Red Cross nurse won't let you donate blood
due to low hematocrit. Eat foods high in iron. For the athletes,
do some altitude training, hypoxia tents (regardless of Dick Pound
or whoever that was), etc.

Mark J.



Training at altitude and hypoxic tents rely on two totally different
physiological mechanisms.

When you train at altitude, the partial pressure of oxygen at the
pulmonary capillary level is less than at sea level. However, the
concentration of oxygen in the air stays the same.

Hypoxic tents do not change the partial pressure of oxygen in air.
Rather they de-saturate the air of oxygen molecules.

When you train at altitude, you are really training in a "hypobaric
tent" (not a hypoxic tent).

That's something hypoxic tent manufacturers don't want to tell you.

None of that matters. What matters is that they are legal ways to
raise hematocrit.


Thanks. Now read this, smart mouth.

Magilla


http://www.hypoxico.com/faq.htm

7Q. Will my Hematocrit level rise?

A: This was confirmed in a recent independent HYPOXIC ALTITUDE TENT
study where, although the "tent group" showed significant gains, there
was no change in hematocrit.

I imagine they are referring to this study:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

Nobody but you is arguing the effectiveness of the method; that's your
strawman. The discussion centered around the legality of these methods,
in which you said "There are no "legal" ways to raise your hematocrit."
You desperately attacked the tent method based on a study with shady
interpretation of the results ("biological variation over time" in the
hypoxic group but not in the control group? Please.), now let's see you
attack the living at altitude method.

Kyle Legate wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote:

Kyle Legate wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Mark wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Phil Holman wrote:

"MagillaGorilla" wrote in message
...

Amit Ghosh wrote:

On Mar 26, 7:23 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:



Can you name a single pro who keeled over and died while
racing because
of blood that was too thick? If the answer is no then why
does the UCI
claim that resting is for their health?



the 50% scheme is a vestige from when there was an EPO test. it
should
be scrapped when there is an EPO test.





I know. I was just being facetious. Exceeding the 50% limit
basically means you were caught, but they just can't prove you
were transfusing blood or using EPO, so they have to call it a
"safety" suspension.


Resting roughly translates to ..... stop doing whatever it was
you were doing to raise your hemacrit to 50%, including legal
manipulations.

Phil H





There are no "legal" ways to raise your hematocrit.

Magilla




Geez, tell that to the Red Cross nurse won't let you donate blood
due to low hematocrit. Eat foods high in iron. For the athletes,
do some altitude training, hypoxia tents (regardless of Dick Pound
or whoever that was), etc.

Mark J.




Training at altitude and hypoxic tents rely on two totally different
physiological mechanisms.

When you train at altitude, the partial pressure of oxygen at the
pulmonary capillary level is less than at sea level. However, the
concentration of oxygen in the air stays the same.

Hypoxic tents do not change the partial pressure of oxygen in air.
Rather they de-saturate the air of oxygen molecules.

When you train at altitude, you are really training in a "hypobaric
tent" (not a hypoxic tent).

That's something hypoxic tent manufacturers don't want to tell you.

None of that matters. What matters is that they are legal ways to
raise hematocrit.



Thanks. Now read this, smart mouth.

Magilla


http://www.hypoxico.com/faq.htm

7Q. Will my Hematocrit level rise?

A: This was confirmed in a recent independent HYPOXIC ALTITUDE TENT
study where, although the "tent group" showed significant gains, there
was no change in hematocrit.


I imagine they are referring to this study:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum


Nobody but you is arguing the effectiveness of the method; that's your
strawman. The discussion centered around the legality of these methods,
in which you said "There are no "legal" ways to raise your hematocrit."
You desperately attacked the tent method based on a study with shady
interpretation of the results ("biological variation over time" in the
hypoxic group but not in the control group? Please.), now let's see you
attack the living at altitude method.


How is citing a study that hypoxic tents don't raise hematocrit "desperate?"

Second, I never said living in an altitude tent "wasn't effective." Can
you cite where I said that? Although not a single winner of the Tour de
France has ever come from living at altitude. Think about that and ask
yourself what it means.

Third, the context of the conversation was two athletes who DON'T live
at altitude who failed the hematocrit test at worlds. How did they
raise it LEGALLY?

The context of the conversation was never that ANYONE couldn't move to
altitude. It was about these two track riders (and other cyclists) who
don't live at altitude and don't live in a hypoxic tent.


Magilla