Another cyclist doored.

The killings of cyclists by drivers just keep on happening. Why are our
roads allowed to be so dangerous?

"A cyclist killed in north London may have hit an open car door immediately
before he was knocked down by a bus, the Metropolitan Police has said.

The victim, who was aged 25, died at the scene on Holloway Road, close to
its junction with Jackson Road, at about 13:10 BST on Saturday.

The 31-year-old driver of an Audi was arrested and bailed until 6 December.

Police said they were keen to speak to any witnesses, including passengers
on the 153 bus involved in the crash.

A post-mortem test is to be held on the victim on Monday.

His family have been told but he has yet to be formally identified, police
added."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14438520

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http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

"Doug" wrote in message
...
The killings of cyclists by drivers just keep on happening. Why are our
roads allowed to be so dangerous?

"A cyclist killed in north London may have hit an open car door
immediately
before he was knocked down by a bus, the Metropolitan Police has said.

The victim, who was aged 25, died at the scene on Holloway Road, close to
its junction with Jackson Road, at about 13:10 BST on Saturday.

The 31-year-old driver of an Audi was arrested and bailed until 6
December.

Police said they were keen to speak to any witnesses, including passengers
on the 153 bus involved in the crash.

A post-mortem test is to be held on the victim on Monday.

His family have been told but he has yet to be formally identified, police
added."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14438520

so he was travelling too close, too fast.

"Phil W Lee" wrote in message
...


You think he should have swerved into the path of the bus without
being hit by the negligent driver?

Drivers can be fined 100 USD for that in the USA.

QUOTE:

"Those on four wheels also bear responsibilities to the bicycling
community. Drivers can now be ticketed for "dooring" a bicyclist--opening a
car door into a passing cyclist is punishable by a $100 fine. Making a
sudden right turn after passing a bike, called a "right hook" by some
bicyclists, is now prohibited.

--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

"Phil W Lee" wrote in message
...
"Mrcheerful" considered Mon, 8 Aug 2011
08:53:04 +0100 the perfect time to write:


"Doug" wrote in message
...
The killings of cyclists by drivers just keep on happening. Why are our
roads allowed to be so dangerous?

"A cyclist killed in north London may have hit an open car door
immediately
before he was knocked down by a bus, the Metropolitan Police has said.

The victim, who was aged 25, died at the scene on Holloway Road, close
to
its junction with Jackson Road, at about 13:10 BST on Saturday.

The 31-year-old driver of an Audi was arrested and bailed until 6
December.

Police said they were keen to speak to any witnesses, including
passengers
on the 153 bus involved in the crash.

A post-mortem test is to be held on the victim on Monday.

His family have been told but he has yet to be formally identified,
police
added."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14438520

so he was travelling too close, too fast.

You think he should have swerved into the path of the bus without
being hit by the negligent driver?


Why was he travelling too fast to stop and too close to miss the car?
More observation, more distance and maybe slower would mean that he would
not have crashed and would be OK now.
The solution to the rapidly rising tide of KSI cyclists is to be found with
ALL road users, and that includes cyclists taking some responsibility for
their own safety, if they will not accept that they need to do that, then
they should not be on the roads. The riding standards that I see every day
are appalling, and in London it is much worse.

On 08/08/2011 05:17, Doug wrote:

The killings of cyclists by drivers just keep on happening. Why are our
roads allowed to be so dangerous?
"A cyclist killed in north London may have hit an open car door immediately
before he was knocked down by a bus, the Metropolitan Police has said.

How come the lack of certainty?

And you're going to campaign for a ban on buses as well, I take it?

The victim, who was aged 25, died at the scene on Holloway Road, close to
its junction with Jackson Road, at about 13:10 BST on Saturday.
The 31-year-old driver of an Audi was arrested and bailed until 6 December.
Police said they were keen to speak to any witnesses, including passengers
on the 153 bus involved in the crash.
A post-mortem test is to be held on the victim on Monday.
His family have been told but he has yet to be formally identified, police
added."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14438520

On 08/08/2011 16:26, Phil W Lee wrote:
considered Mon, 8 Aug 2011
08:53:04 +0100 the perfect time to write:


"Doug" wrote in message
...
The killings of cyclists by drivers just keep on happening. Why are our
roads allowed to be so dangerous?

"A cyclist killed in north London may have hit an open car door
immediately
before he was knocked down by a bus, the Metropolitan Police has said.

The victim, who was aged 25, died at the scene on Holloway Road, close to
its junction with Jackson Road, at about 13:10 BST on Saturday.

The 31-year-old driver of an Audi was arrested and bailed until 6
December.

Police said they were keen to speak to any witnesses, including passengers
on the 153 bus involved in the crash.

A post-mortem test is to be held on the victim on Monday.

His family have been told but he has yet to be formally identified, police
added."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14438520

so he was travelling too close, too fast.

You think he should have swerved into the path of the bus without
being hit by the negligent driver?

Is that not a possible explanation for what happened?

QUOTE:
"A cyclist killed in north London *may* have hit an open car door
ENDQUOTE

[my emphasis]

On 08/08/2011 05:17, Doug wrote:
The killings of cyclists by drivers just keep on happening. Why are our
roads allowed to be so dangerous?

"A cyclist killed in north London may have hit an open car door immediately
before he was knocked down by a bus, the Metropolitan Police has said.

The victim, who was aged 25, died at the scene on Holloway Road, close to
its junction with Jackson Road, at about 13:10 BST on Saturday.

The 31-year-old driver of an Audi was arrested and bailed until 6 December.

Police said they were keen to speak to any witnesses, including passengers
on the 153 bus involved in the crash.

A post-mortem test is to be held on the victim on Monday.

His family have been told but he has yet to be formally identified, police
added."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14438520

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.
http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to drive.

"may have hit an open car door", note the word 'may'.

It's funny how you think the police were right in this case, but they
are always wrong when you post to uk.legal.

On 08/08/2011 05:17, Doug wrote:
The killings of cyclists by drivers just keep on happening.


No it doesn't idiot. 33,000,000 drivers, 12,000 miles per annum, 136
deaths in 2007. Do the math ****wit.

Why are our
roads allowed to be so dangerous?

Why are cyclists so ****ing thick?

"A cyclist killed in north London may have hit an open car door immediately
before he was knocked down by a bus, the Metropolitan Police has said.

"May".

Could someone explain why car drivers, who travel faster than cyclists,
in wider vehicles, rarely if ever get 'doored'?

Is it because drivers use observation & anticipation skills and cyclists
are thick ****s?


--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

"Phil W Lee" wrote in message
...
"Mrcheerful" considered Mon, 8 Aug 2011
16:54:00 +0100 the perfect time to write:


"Phil W Lee" wrote in message
. ..
"Mrcheerful" considered Mon, 8 Aug 2011
08:53:04 +0100 the perfect time to write:


"Doug" wrote in message
...
The killings of cyclists by drivers just keep on happening. Why are
our
roads allowed to be so dangerous?

"A cyclist killed in north London may have hit an open car door
immediately
before he was knocked down by a bus, the Metropolitan Police has said.

The victim, who was aged 25, died at the scene on Holloway Road, close
to
its junction with Jackson Road, at about 13:10 BST on Saturday.

The 31-year-old driver of an Audi was arrested and bailed until 6
December.

Police said they were keen to speak to any witnesses, including
passengers
on the 153 bus involved in the crash.

A post-mortem test is to be held on the victim on Monday.

His family have been told but he has yet to be formally identified,
police
added."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14438520

so he was travelling too close, too fast.

You think he should have swerved into the path of the bus without
being hit by the negligent driver?


Why was he travelling too fast to stop and too close to miss the car?

Probably trying to get (or stay) out of the way of the bus.
Some blame should be placed at the door of those drivers who expect
cyclists to get out of their way irrespective of the danger that it
may place them in.
Enough of them do it sufficiently often that it takes a level of
assertiveness almost amounting to aggression not to fall victim to
this.
It /should/ be the case that cyclists followed by a professional
driver should feel more secure about the standard of driving, but
sadly, the reverse is often true.

More observation, more distance and maybe slower would mean that he would
not have crashed and would be OK now.

Being more assertive on road positioning is the most likely thing to
have helped on the part of the victim, but I've just pointed out the
problems with that.

The solution to the rapidly rising tide of KSI cyclists is to be found
with

ITYM rapidly falling.
That's what the stats are showing.

Not the latest ones, they show that ksi is up 36 per cent.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-2333611.html

On 08/08/2011 18:56, Phil W Lee wrote:
considered Mon, 8 Aug 2011
16:54:00 +0100 the perfect time to write:


"Phil W wrote in message
...
considered Mon, 8 Aug 2011
08:53:04 +0100 the perfect time to write:


"Doug" wrote in message
...
The killings of cyclists by drivers just keep on happening. Why are our
roads allowed to be so dangerous?

"A cyclist killed in north London may have hit an open car door
immediately
before he was knocked down by a bus, the Metropolitan Police has said.

The victim, who was aged 25, died at the scene on Holloway Road, close
to
its junction with Jackson Road, at about 13:10 BST on Saturday.

The 31-year-old driver of an Audi was arrested and bailed until 6
December.

Police said they were keen to speak to any witnesses, including
passengers
on the 153 bus involved in the crash.

A post-mortem test is to be held on the victim on Monday.

His family have been told but he has yet to be formally identified,
police
added."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14438520

so he was travelling too close, too fast.

You think he should have swerved into the path of the bus without
being hit by the negligent driver?


Why was he travelling too fast to stop and too close to miss the car?

Probably trying to get (or stay) out of the way of the bus.

More likely just a thick ****.

Some blame should be placed at the door of those drivers who expect
cyclists to get out of their way irrespective of the danger that it
may place them in.

The scum should not be on the road anyway.

Enough of them do it sufficiently often that it takes a level of
assertiveness almost amounting to aggression not to fall victim to
this.

And cyclists are too thick to get the point. A push bike is a childs
toy, not a viable form of transport.

It /should/ be the case that cyclists followed by a professional
driver should feel more secure about the standard of driving, but
sadly, the reverse is often true.

That might be the fault of the untrained, unlicensed push bike rider.

More observation, more distance and maybe slower would mean that he would
not have crashed and would be OK now.

Being more assertive on road positioning is the most likely thing to
have helped on the part of the victim, but I've just pointed out the
problems with that.

Observation & anticipation skills seem to work for motorists - why don'y
slower moving, smaller cyclists use them?

The solution to the rapidly rising tide of KSI cyclists is to be found with

ITYM rapidly falling.
That's what the stats are showing.

Calling Judith. Will Judith please pick up the white telephone.

ALL road users, and that includes cyclists taking some responsibility for
their own safety, if they will not accept that they need to do that, then
they should not be on the roads. The riding standards that I see every day
are appalling, and in London it is much worse.

So you are among the minority of drivers who encourage cyclists to
stay in a dominant position in the lane, never tailgate or express
frustration, wait patiently behind until it's absolutely safe to
overtake and only ever pass in the manner pictured in rule 163 of the
Highway Code?

I'm among the majority of drivers who object to sponging freeloading
scum getting in my way.


You certainly can't tell that from your postings here.

You can tell it from mine ****wit.

--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University