The secret of how to ride fast and far

*Some riding friends ask how to translate into speed drills day of riding ? Many times you have the opportunity to ride with others formations . If you want to help with the car to achieve the shortest possible time , then you must be able to keep up with their speed , the methodology is constantly changing at your own speed . If you want to own the shortest possible time to achieve , then you have to maintain the most stable rhythm./p
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p[How to improve your long-distance riding technique ]br
1. bike commuter , this is the best way to take advantage of time to train .br
2.do at least three times a week, speed drills ( intermittent , training game , time trial )br
3. weekly to maintain long-distance endurance riding . It was enough.br
4 . Often familiar mountains try our best to improve strength , testing physical condition.br
5. In the event, when climbing will push themselves to anaerobic threshold , because this is the time when most can strive for . Then downhill to recover .br
6 .In addition to climbing outside , maintaining a stable output - the key to get the highest scorebr
7 .Select the flow of food and not solid food , especially over two days of activities . Because then liquid food more effective. a href="http://www.cycling-wear.com/cycling-wear-sets/short-sleeve-sets/2013-cannondale-short-sleeve-cycling-jersey-and-cycling-short-kit.html"strongcannondale jersey 2013/strong/abr
8. remain in good condition throughout the year , defeated age./p
pAlso note that the long-distance riding is the most troublesome encounter windy weather , pay attention to control the speed, smooth ride ; attention to anti crosswind and observation pedestrians , do not grab the lane and pedestrian , pedestrians or cyclists beyond cautious when and keep a safe distance ; find roadside pedestrian or cyclist is abnormal, stop immediately .

On Friday, November 1, 2013 1:04:28 AM UTC-7, simon wrote:
Some riding friends ask how to translate into speed drills day of riding ? Many times you have the opportunity to ride with others formations .


I suppose this can help. I mean, all of the bicycle road racers do it
for drafting. I don't see it as optimizing average speed, though,
because either you're breaking the air for yourself or you're not, and
there remains the question are you doing it as fast as possible.

Riding in traffic (cars, trucks, peloton, bike buddies, whatever) *does*
offer opportunity to learn and practice techniques for dealing with
traffic when you *have* to, so that is toward optimization. I won't
use cars and trucks (ordinary transportation traffic) to draft, because
you have to follow too close to be safe unless you can trust them. I
*do* use cars and trucks to "run interference" for traffic maneuvers,
because their inertia and maneuverability is fairly predictable. When
doing this, I generally don't ride along with them, though, as they
may catch on and decide to hose my plan, so I usually swoop in and get
it over with and gone.

If you want to help with the car to achieve the shortest possible time , then you must be able to keep up with their speed ,


Um... no. You can't keep up with cars on a bike - unless they're
constrained by traffic or traffic controls, in which case you should
be smoking them instead of keeping up.

the methodology is constantly changing at your own speed .

Not sure I get this, but yeah changing speed as necessary.

If you want to own the shortest possible time to achieve , then you have to maintain the most stable rhythm./p


It may be in the translation, but this approach seems heavy on the
qualified extremes and superlatives: "shortest possible", "most
stable".

Also, reading ahead, you seem to kind of jump back-and-forth between
training and racing. On race day, yeah - you want everything to flow
optimally smooth, but in training, I'd think you want to struggle now
and then, maybe slack off once in a while - essentially gain the most
varied experience while getting the work in.

pWhether hiking or riding a road we must strive , where you might lose the most time .


Yes, that is fundamental. That's why I do some of the crazy &^%$ I do
because one little maneuver can save gobs of time. Add 'em all up and
you've done it as fast as possible for you on that trip. It does put
you in a mindset, though, which can seem irrational to the non-racer
onlookers.

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I didn't visit the link; but just looking at the URL... am I replying
to sheer spam that I thought was meant as substantive content?

p[How to improve your long-distance riding technique ]br

1. bike commuter , this is the best way to take advantage of time to train .br


Again with the superlative, "best" - but yeah it's certainly a *good*
opportunity - two birds with one stone and all that. (Can't be too
prissy about it, though.)

2.do at least three times a week, speed drills ( intermittent , training game , time trial )br


Or, just Ride Bike!

3. weekly to maintain long-distance endurance riding . It was enough.br


Ride all day (and maybe night) on weekends, then. Okay, I can see
that if you're really intent on being as fast as possible and ready
for the TdF.

4 . Often familiar mountains try our best to improve strength , testing physical condition.br


Hmmm... In my experience the *familiar* climbs tend to condition you
to their particular grade, length, etc. Mixing it up and taking some
less familiar routes for different climbs makes the old familiar ones
feel easier than ever.

5. In the event, when climbing will push themselves to anaerobic threshold , because this is the time when most can strive for . Then downhill to recover .br


I'm not sure what "anaerobic threshold" is, but it sounds like "out
of breath".

I know that I'm maximizing my effort when I go bag o' spanners at the
crest of the last hill.

6 .In addition to climbing outside , maintaining a stable output - the key to get the highest scorebr


Keep on working.

7 .Select the flow of food and not solid food , especially over two days of activities . Because then liquid food more effective.


You do that. You *might* beat me on Sunday (but might not), but eating
is one of the fundamental pleasurable rewards of working hard on the
bike.

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Have you seen that TV ad for the new iPhone? ("Liquid gold") Man!
That commercial just bypasses my control system and moves my arm into
my pocket to fish out my wallet (I think it's the music, but not just
that alone :-)

8. remain in good condition throughout the year , defeated age./p


Do you mean "throughout the years"? You can't defeat age; don't
fight it. You can age gracefully, though.

pAlso note that the long-distance riding is the most troublesome encounter windy weather ,


Disagree. Look, whatever the conditions are, they are. You want to
talk about optimizing speed / time performance you have to optimize it
in any conditions.

A good tuck that allows to keep working effectively seems to be the
biggest help in wind - that and knowing which route will afford the
best windbreak for conditions.

pay attention to control the speed,

What? *Control* speed? I thought we were trying to go as fast as
possible. Make up your mind.

smooth ride ;

For the most part this helps, yes.

attention to anti crosswind and observation pedestrians ,

Hilarious mixing of issues (could be the translation again, I guess).

do not grab the lane and pedestrian , pedestrians or cyclists beyond cautious when and keep a safe distance ; find roadside pedestrian or cyclist is abnormal, stop immediately .


Well, I go along with *yielding* to pedestrians, and at least
cooperating with other bicyclists, but "stop immediately"? That
sounds like Frank's advice for Fred should he ever happen to go off
the road; and Frank's advice re; pedestrians is that they "have no
right to be on the road". Also, I don't get upset about "abnormal".
Too much "normal" will put me in a funk.

On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 09:19:03 -0700, Dan O wrote:

8. remain in good condition throughout the year , defeated age./p


Do you mean "throughout the years"? You can't defeat age; don't fight
it. You can age gracefully, though.

I prefer to age disgracefully. Speaking of which It's round about beer
o'clock on a Friday evening here.

--
davethedave

On Friday, November 1, 2013 9:44:48 AM UTC-7, davethedave wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 09:19:03 -0700, Dan O wrote:

8. remain in good condition throughout the year , defeated age./p

Do you mean "throughout the years"? You can't defeat age; don't fight
it. You can age gracefully, though.

I prefer to age disgracefully.

I wasn't really comfortable with the term when I wrote it, but as
you can see had a lot more to write so just left the cliche and
moved on.

Speaking of which It's round about beer
o'clock on a Friday evening here.


Right behind you Cheers!

On 11-01-2013, 12:19, Dan O wrote:
I didn't visit the link; but just looking at the URL... am I replying
to sheer spam that I thought was meant as substantive content?

Yes

--
Wes Groleau

“There are more people worthy of blame
than there is blame to go around."

On Friday, November 1, 2013 10:25:43 AM UTC-7, Dan O wrote:
On Friday, November 1, 2013 9:44:48 AM UTC-7, davethedave wrote:

On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 09:19:03 -0700, Dan O wrote:



8. remain in good condition throughout the year , defeated age./p



Do you mean "throughout the years"? You can't defeat age; don't fight

it. You can age gracefully, though.



I prefer to age disgracefully.



I wasn't really comfortable with the term when I wrote it, but as

you can see had a lot more to write so just left the cliche and

moved on.



Speaking of which It's round about beer

o'clock on a Friday evening here.





Right behind you Cheers!

I don't have to worry about aging because I will most certainly die before I get too much older. I am not riding with a flasher in broad daylight, and I just ordered a super-cheap packable wind/rain jacket (for those iffy days) that is black and not fluorescent. They were sold out of the fluorescent. I will be hit.

Honestly, and even more O.T. (and not to channel Frank), the Danger! Danger! thing is infectious. I now worry about things that I never worried about -- flashers, bright colored clothes, even wearing my helmet on rides to the grocery store ten blocks away. Being on blood thinners affects my thinking, but even so, all this safety stuff is starting to weigh on me psychologically, even after 45 years of near daily riding and no car accidents in decades. None of this stuff (except a helmet) would protect me against the most recent causes of injury -- ice, invisible rain-filled potholes and my own impatience.

BTW, I rode to work in the drear this morning. I turned on my 750 lumen flasher as I was leaving home, and it drove me nuts just being behind it. I pity the foo's who have to look at it. I shut it off and used my low beam. I survived yet another flasher-less commute, but if I finally build my dynamo bike, I'll probably get a 1 watt auxiliary blinky because now I'm scared -- but only 1 watt scared.

-- Jay Beattie.

On 11/1/2013 2:56 PM, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Friday, November 1, 2013 10:25:43 AM UTC-7, Dan O wrote:
On Friday, November 1, 2013 9:44:48 AM UTC-7, davethedave wrote:

On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 09:19:03 -0700, Dan O wrote:



8. remain in good condition throughout the year , defeated age./p



Do you mean "throughout the years"? You can't defeat age; don't fight

it. You can age gracefully, though.



I prefer to age disgracefully.



I wasn't really comfortable with the term when I wrote it, but as

you can see had a lot more to write so just left the cliche and

moved on.



Speaking of which It's round about beer

o'clock on a Friday evening here.





Right behind you Cheers!

I don't have to worry about aging because I will most certainly die before I get too much older. I am not riding with a flasher in broad daylight, and I just ordered a super-cheap packable wind/rain jacket (for those iffy days) that is black and not fluorescent. They were sold out of the fluorescent. I will be hit.

Honestly, and even more O.T. (and not to channel Frank), the Danger! Danger! thing is infectious. I now worry about things that I never worried about -- flashers, bright colored clothes, even wearing my helmet on rides to the grocery store ten blocks away. Being on blood thinners affects my thinking, but even so, all this safety stuff is starting to weigh on me psychologically, even after 45 years of near daily riding and no car accidents in decades. None of this stuff (except a helmet) would protect me against the most recent causes of injury -- ice, invisible rain-filled potholes and my own impatience.

BTW, I rode to work in the drear this morning. I turned on my 750 lumen flasher as I was leaving home, and it drove me nuts just being behind it. I pity the foo's who have to look at it. I shut it off and used my low beam. I survived yet another flasher-less commute, but if I finally build my dynamo bike, I'll probably get a 1 watt auxiliary blinky because now I'm scared -- but only 1 watt scared.


I drove to work today because we have high wind warnings. Right now
it's gusting to 90km/h. I've not only been cheated and ripped off for a
low weight plastic bike that offers me no discernible benefit when
climbing hills and for buying light weight wheels that are going to fall
apart as soon as I hit one of those gazillion potholes around here but
now I have a bike that is too light to ride in a hurricane!

On Friday, November 1, 2013 11:56:10 AM UTC-7, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Friday, November 1, 2013 10:25:43 AM UTC-7, Dan O wrote:
On Friday, November 1, 2013 9:44:48 AM UTC-7, davethedave wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 09:19:03 -0700, Dan O wrote:

8. remain in good condition throughout the year , defeated age./p

Do you mean "throughout the years"? You can't defeat age; don't fight
it. You can age gracefully, though.

I prefer to age disgracefully.

I wasn't really comfortable with the term when I wrote it, but as
you can see had a lot more to write so just left the cliche and
moved on.

Speaking of which It's round about beer

o'clock on a Friday evening here.

Right behind you Cheers!

I don't have to worry about aging because I will most certainly die before I get too much older. I am not riding with a flasher in broad daylight, and I just ordered a super-cheap packable wind/rain jacket (for those iffy days) that is black and not fluorescent. They were sold out of the fluorescent. I will be hit.


My son and two buddies went trick-or-treating last night dressed like
The Blues Brothers (all black)

Honestly, and even more O.T. (and not to channel Frank),

There's nothing wrong with that ©. Much of what Frank says makes
exceptionally good sense. (He just goes overboard in sorting
everyone and everything into "the this crew" and "the that crew".
It simplifies reality for him; he needs it to be that way.)

the Danger! Danger! thing is infectious. I now worry about things that I never worried about -- flashers, bright colored clothes, even wearing my helmet on rides to the grocery store ten blocks away. Being on blood thinners affects my thinking, but even so, all this safety stuff is starting to weigh on me psychologically, even after 45 years of near daily riding and no car accidents in decades. None of this stuff (except a helmet) would protect me against the most recent causes of injury -- ice, invisible rain-filled potholes and my own impatience.


Sucks getting old. I lament losing my invincibility, but I *guess*
I never really had it, was just lucky to have lasted this long, so
probably better not push it.

American Masters TV show about Billie Jean King the other night. I
pointed out to my wife that Bobby Riggs was a senior citizen. She
asked me (a *few* years younger than Bobby was for the big tennis
match) if I was a senior citizen. Point taken.

(I can't believe she didn't buy me that blue POC Trabec Race MIPS
for my birthday :-(

BTW, I rode to work in the drear this morning. I turned on my 750 lumen flasher as I was leaving home, and it drove me nuts just being behind it. I pity the foo's who have to look at it. I shut it off and used my low beam. I survived yet another flasher-less commute, but if I finally build my dynamo bike, I'll probably get a 1 watt auxiliary blinky because now I'm scared -- but only 1 watt scared.


Even a 1 watt blinkie can be switched on to send pseudo morse code
up ahead (e.g. "Dim your high beams!", or, "Think again!") And there
are so many blinkies flashing around PDX the drivers have probably
adapted to it as the here comes a bike signal, and we *do* have plenty
of drear.

On 11/1/2013 1:47 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
On 11-01-2013, 12:19, Dan O wrote:
I didn't visit the link; but just looking at the URL... am I replying
to sheer spam that I thought was meant as substantive content?

Yes


In my internet searches for any and all information about bicycle tire
making, I have probably found at least a dozen pay-per-click-ad sites
that scrape this exact-same newsgroup content and then present it as
their own mailing list.

About another twelve that scrape the content and present it as their own
"forum" (vBulletin forum that is).

Plus a few more using some 1990's-era low-end forum-generating software.

And this is not including the obvious newsgroup-serving places like
Google Groups, yarchive and derkeiler.

----------

It's rather odd because the fake-forum ones seem to generate fake
usernames for the posts. Where they grab those from I don't know. What
is your alternate-universe name?
..... Well nuts.
I was going to link to one, but I can't find any at the moment... :|

Next time I go roaming I'll bookmark a couple. There's a few I've run
across.

On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 15:13:08 -0400, Duane wrote:

On 11/1/2013 2:56 PM, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Friday, November 1, 2013 10:25:43 AM UTC-7, Dan O wrote:
On Friday, November 1, 2013 9:44:48 AM UTC-7, davethedave wrote:

On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 09:19:03 -0700, Dan O wrote:



8. remain in good condition throughout the year , defeated
age./p



Do you mean "throughout the years"? You can't defeat age; don't
fight

it. You can age gracefully, though.



I prefer to age disgracefully.



I wasn't really comfortable with the term when I wrote it, but as

you can see had a lot more to write so just left the cliche and

moved on.



Speaking of which It's round about beer

o'clock on a Friday evening here.





Right behind you Cheers!

I don't have to worry about aging because I will most certainly die
before I get too much older. I am not riding with a flasher in broad
daylight, and I just ordered a super-cheap packable wind/rain jacket
(for those iffy days) that is black and not fluorescent. They were sold
out of the fluorescent. I will be hit.

Honestly, and even more O.T. (and not to channel Frank), the Danger!
Danger! thing is infectious. I now worry about things that I never
worried about -- flashers, bright colored clothes, even wearing my
helmet on rides to the grocery store ten blocks away. Being on blood
thinners affects my thinking, but even so, all this safety stuff is
starting to weigh on me psychologically, even after 45 years of near
daily riding and no car accidents in decades. None of this stuff
(except a helmet) would protect me against the most recent causes of
injury -- ice, invisible rain-filled potholes and my own impatience.

BTW, I rode to work in the drear this morning. I turned on my 750 lumen
flasher as I was leaving home, and it drove me nuts just being behind
it. I pity the foo's who have to look at it. I shut it off and used my
low beam. I survived yet another flasher-less commute, but if I finally
build my dynamo bike, I'll probably get a 1 watt auxiliary blinky
because now I'm scared -- but only 1 watt scared.


I drove to work today because we have high wind warnings. Right now
it's gusting to 90km/h. I've not only been cheated and ripped off for a
low weight plastic bike that offers me no discernible benefit when
climbing hills and for buying light weight wheels that are going to fall
apart as soon as I hit one of those gazillion potholes around here but
now I have a bike that is too light to ride in a hurricane!

I feel for you.

I have a bike that weighs nigh on 35 kilos. The batteries man, the
batteries!

But...

It's built like a sail and I don't have or actually need a car. Petrol is
$2.46 a litre today. Which if my maths is correct (possibly not :/ ) is
at $9.31 a gallon, very sound bike buying logic. The 2nd most expensive
in the world. I'm sure the government will try to regain the number one
spot soon.

On the up side it was 26 degrees C, wind free and sunny today.

On the downside the weather here makes Florida look attractive as an
escape from the heat in the height of summer.

Have fun with your dandelion down bike in the wind.
--
davethedave