less cars : roll on $2 per litre

In aus.bicycle on 15 Aug 2006 17:13:56 -0700
Donga wrote:


Boy have we got off-track here. I carelessly obscured my point with
personal information. It's not about me, it's about people wishing for
harm to others. Whether you agree or not about points of economics,
there are many people who are suffering badly out of rising petrol
prices. Wishing that on them I find 'odd' for want of a better word.

Well... is it OK to wish badly on them if they don't exercise and so
are fat or ill or going to be?

What if they don't because they work long hours and live far from
work, and so can't find the time?

If it is, then it's OK to rag on them for finding other lifestyle
choices are hurting them.

If it's not then I'm sure you'll be first in line next time anyone
makes such a crack eh?

Zebee

Theo Bekkers wrote:
So you want us all to live in 20 storey apartment blocks, next to the
factory we work in, which is, of course, next to the docks or major rail
line. Welcome to the 1850s.

I think you would be hard pressed to find a 20 storey apartment block
from the 1850s. Highrise residential didn't really take off until the
'60s, and guess what? Most of those apartments were isolated from
services and workplaces.

And who works in a factory these days?

Workplaces seem to be a lot more distributed these days. The
freeways into the city are clogged, but I suspect a lot of the
traffic is actually going *through* the city, which is just crazy
(talking Perth here). I know a lot of people at my workplace
travel from North of the river, through the city, to Canning Vale.

You could say they should move closer to their work, but
most families have dual incomes and what are the odds that
your partner is going to have work in the same area? And
then you change jobs...

Here is another problem with public transport - it is all geared
towards getting in and out of the city. It quickly falls apart
when you want to get between two suburbs, especially if
the second suburb is light industrial (like Canning Vale, or
Lane Cove, or Mulgrave, or Eagle Farm - all low rent places
I have worked at some point).

dave wrote:
Funnily enough while the murder rate has remained almost static in
australia since 1880 you wont find a single parent who doesnt think the
world is a far more dangerous place than when they were kids. It isnt.
The romans had serial killers.

Here is a little statistical game to play. Assume that the number of
attacks on children by strangers (per capita) has remained pretty
constant over the last thirty years. Assume that 90% of parents
in the '70s let their kids wander about the streets unsupervised.
Assume that only 10% of parents now let their kids out. So,
there are 1/9 as many kids on the street per abuser as there
were then, and a child on the street now is 9 times as likely to
be abused as 30 years ago.

I used to walk 1km to school, on my own, at the age of 6. There
is absolutely no way I would let my kids do this now. Maybe the
risks are worse, or maybe I am more sensitised, I don't know.
Back in the 70's most cars didn't have seatbelts in the back,
and there was no such thing as a baby capsule. Drink driving
was more a sport than a crime. Maybe we are just more careful now?

Travis Wrote:


I hear ya. I hate those damn silicon veggies they sell down at Coles
these days, and don't get me started on the stainless steel oranges.

I wish I could get produce like we used to grow when we lived next to
that BP oil refinery, when everything had that nice certifiably
organic
benzene smell. Or before that, when we couldn't afford to buy any
physical food so we had to use our imagination and ate meals that were
completely chemical free. Yum.


I've also noticed Fuji apples are actually grown from CF these days,
shhhh, don't tell anyone. The CF shortage, apparentely due to the
Airbus 380 and wind-farms, are nothing more than a pile of fibs!


--
cfsmtb

cfsmtb wrote:

Freight? Logistics? Unless there is a immediate shift to returning
Australia's freight requirements back to rolling stock, we could be
potentially in for a very rude shock regarding food prices. So why
don't food producers grow stuff closer to the population centers??

err, bercause sometimes the number of producers of an item can be
counted on one hand for each supermarket. Thinhs like carrots, tomatoes,
etc often come from one specialist grower who has the contract to
supply a particular supermarket chain.

Well they could of once, before the brick and tile wonderlands took
over the market gardens & orchards in the post-war suburb sprawl. Not
now, the McMansions have stuffed that option.

Market gardens are a very minor producer of the major vege items.

Theo Bekkers wrote:
dave wrote:


Funnily enough while the murder rate has remained almost static in
australia since 1880 you wont find a single parent who doesnt think
the world is a far more dangerous place than when they were kids. It
isnt. The romans had serial killers.


I thought I readd recently that the murder rate in Oz had halved since the
early 1900s.

Theo



Well the statistics are fudgy. Its possible more murders are reported
now that then. Its also possible that more murders are sophisticated
and go undetected. Most coppers seem to think the actual murder rate is
twice that reported. (becouse of the number of people that go missing
and are never seen again. Not that that didnt happen in 1880.) And a
lot of things that would have got you hung as murder in 1880 are called
manslaughter now. Or culpable driving.


Pretty much all the experts agree that it hasnt gone up. But everyone
else thinks it has.

Was my point.. And I think yours as well

Dave

Stuart Lamble wrote:
On 2006-08-16, TimC wrote:
Me, I'm just going to keep drinking my organic scotch.
Mmm, C_2H_5OH.

I mixed this water myself. Two parts H, one part O. I don't trust
*anybody*.

How do you keep the H's and O's in atomic form?

Travis

"Travis" wrote in message
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Stuart Lamble wrote:
On 2006-08-16, TimC
wrote:
Me, I'm just going to keep drinking my organic scotch.
Mmm, C_2H_5OH.

I mixed this water myself. Two parts H, one part O. I don't trust
*anybody*.

How do you keep the H's and O's in atomic form?

Travis


It's far easier than keeping them in sub-atomic form. Putting them together
when you need them is soooo fiddly. Worse than making nori rolls.

On 2006-08-16, Travis (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Stuart Lamble wrote:
On 2006-08-16, TimC wrote:
Me, I'm just going to keep drinking my organic scotch.
Mmm, C_2H_5OH.

I mixed this water myself. Two parts H, one part O. I don't trust
*anybody*.

How do you keep the H's and O's in atomic form?

In very diffuse form. I believe the starburst galaxy NGC 253 is
mixing up a vodka martini right now. Shaken, not stirred.

--
TimC
Just because they are called 'forbidden' transitions does not mean
that they are forbidden. They are less allowed than allowed
transitions, if you see what I mean. --unknown

Resound wrote:

I mixed this water myself. Two parts H, one part O. I don't trust
*anybody*.

How do you keep the H's and O's in atomic form?

Travis


It's far easier than keeping them in sub-atomic form. Putting them together
when you need them is soooo fiddly. Worse than making nori rolls.

That's true. Its so easy to ruin dinner when just a few of the quarks
have the wrong flavour.

Travis