Should SUV Driving amount to Drunk Driving?

"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
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"Jack May" wrote:

"donquijote1954" wrote in message

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Bicycles though are the ultimate weapon against Climate Change and
safer roads...

1- They are cheap, so they are DEMOCRATIC.

2- They are healthy, so we keep the Medical Industry on a diet.

3- They are here now, not sometime in the future.

Since the food used to power bikes is air shipped from all over the
world, it is an energy hog.

Not if you shop with a modicum of awareness. It's easy to minimize the
foods you buy from other parts of the world, and it's easy to buy
(relatively) local. Well, at least if your grocery store is also paying
a modicum of attention. Fortunately mine does (currently all the food
in my fridge, with the exception of condiments, was produced within 200
miles of my home).

If you are eating fruits and veggies all year round you are not growing
it in the winter.

donquijote1954 who??? wrote:
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Buses suck....

Indeed. The low pressure zone behind a city bus is great for drafting -
30+ mph speeds are not too hard for extended distances. Wheeeeeeeee!!!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

Dane Buson wrote:
In rec.bicycles.misc George Conklin wrote:
"Jack May" wrote in message
Having options is the brain dead clich? used by people that don't
understand that funds are limited and options are often far more
expensive than main stream transportation. Options usually carry far
too few people to be of any real value.
But, as you have noted, transit riders tell us they are morally,
culturally and intellectually superior to people in cars, who are
isolated, lonely and, yes, as this thread says, basically drunk.

Oh no George! You've forgotten that people who use sensible
transportation (i.e., not cars) are also hipper, more sexually
desirable, fitter, and all around just more Fabulous!

Just thought I'd help you out that little bit!

Recumbent bicycle riders are NOT fabulous. For that, we are grateful.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

donquijote1954 wrote:
On Dec 11, 12:59 pm, "Jack May" wrote:

Having options is the brain dead cliché used by people that don't understand
that funds are limited and options are often far more expensive than main
stream transportation. Options usually carry far too few people to be of
any real value.-

What's the cost of bike lanes? Or could it be that you are afraid of
the competition?

Bicycle lanes are a horrible idea - I go out of my way to avoid streets
with them when I am riding one of my bicycles (or trike). Why should
cyclists be expected to use second class ghetto facilities, while
leaving the "real" road to the cagers?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

George Conklin wrote:
"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
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"George Conklin" wrote:

People switched to SUVs because the small cars made by GM and Japan were
so damn miserable to drive people got sick of it.
Yeah, that's why those miserable small cars outsell SUVs and the Big
Three are sucking sewage. But no, blame it on the unions! Yeah, that's
the ticket!

Your complaint was that there are too many SUVs. Now you say there are not.
In fact, people don't like those miserable small cars.

Oh, ********! I have to drive pick-up trucks for work and they are quite
lousy to drive and uncomfortable compared to my Honda Civic, which gets
a real world 35+ mpg in urban driving.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

George Conklin wrote:
"John Everett" wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:04:13 -0500, "David L. Johnson"
wrote:

Jack May wrote:


The last I saw, the
average MPG did not change over the last couple of decades with the
introduction of SUV's.
You weren't paying attention, then. The corporate MPG requirements
specifically excluded "light trucks", which is why SUV's exist. They
are classified as trucks, thus don't count in the CAFE statistics.
Ah yes, the old law of unintended consequences.

No, it was assumed that trucks did different work from commuter cars.

Assumption made after the "Big 3" lobbyists stuffed the
congress-critters' campaign coffers with cash!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

Tim McNamara wrote:
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"Jack May" wrote:

"Pat" wrote in message
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On Dec 10, 7:42 pm, "Jack May" wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message

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Oil will NEVER run out. That is a common fallicy. Eventually it
will get scare and with scarcity comes a higher price. As prices
get higher, substitutes become economical. Then the substitutes
take over the demand.

As gas prices rise, bio-diesel, ethenol, etc. become more viable.
At some point they will take over and replace oil. It's just a
matter of time. Meanwhile, the last of the prohibitively expensive
oil will sit in the ground.
Certainly true.

There are reports though that we are late already and the alternative
energy sources will not be ramped up in time. Of course shortages
will cause a lot of alternative fuel production to ramp up quickly.
Maybe we will make the transition by the thinnest of margins without
shutting down the US economy. It will be a cliff hanger.

Nope, it's too late. The window of opportunity is closed. Oil wars are
the trend of the future. Buckle up. The US economy will be ****ed
beyond all recognition. But it it's any consolation, so will the
Chinese economy.

The foolish and puny humans will have their comeuppance for their
arrogance and faith based beliefs within the next century. If the human
race is lucky, 5% will survive into the 22nd Century.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

"George Conklin" wrote in message
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Why don't you buy the mule your grandfather rode and solve all the
world's problems?

Certainly you could make a mint by being able to display the world's oldest
mule.

"George Conklin" wrote in message
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"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Jack May" wrote:

"donquijote1954" wrote in message

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Bicycles though are the ultimate weapon against Climate Change and
safer roads...

1- They are cheap, so they are DEMOCRATIC.

2- They are healthy, so we keep the Medical Industry on a diet.

3- They are here now, not sometime in the future.

Since the food used to power bikes is air shipped from all over the
world, it is an energy hog.

Not if you shop with a modicum of awareness. It's easy to minimize the
foods you buy from other parts of the world, and it's easy to buy
(relatively) local. Well, at least if your grocery store is also paying
a modicum of attention. Fortunately mine does (currently all the food
in my fridge, with the exception of condiments, was produced within 200
miles of my home).

If you are eating fruits and veggies all year round you are not growing
it in the winter.

In my part of the country, you can in fact grow fruit and veggies all year
round. In many others, you can certainly grow them most of the year and
store them for the rest.

In article ,
"George Conklin" wrote:

"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
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In article ,
"George Conklin" wrote:

People switched to SUVs because the small cars made by GM and
Japan were so damn miserable to drive people got sick of it.

Yeah, that's why those miserable small cars outsell SUVs and the
Big Three are sucking sewage. But no, blame it on the unions!
Yeah, that's the ticket!

Your complaint was that there are too many SUVs. Now you say there
are not. In fact, people don't like those miserable small cars.

Toyota and Honda wouldn't be eating Detroit's lunch if that was true.