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Effects of too much cycling
Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Jon B. Slocomb wrote: Re the various "statins", like many other modern medicines (and some very old ones) they may be a hazard to health so the question is which may be the greatest hazard the fat in the pipes or the medicine. That was my problem. I've been to 3 cardiologists, have had a triple bypass operation, and had 2 stents installed last year. I tend to collect plaque in the arteries and most of my ancestors have died from either a heart attack or stroke. Have either of you tried supplementing with lysin + ascorbic acid? Chances are high that I will drop dead writing this message. Don't you! It might not be sufficient to get filed as a bicycle-related death. |
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Sepp Ruf wrote:
Jeff Liebermann wrote: Jon B. Slocomb wrote: Re the various "statins", like many other modern medicines (and some very old ones) they may be a hazard to health so the question is which may be the greatest hazard the fat in the pipes or the medicine. That was my problem. I've been to 3 cardiologists, have had a triple bypass operation, and had 2 stents installed last year. I tend to collect plaque in the arteries and most of my ancestors have died from either a heart attack or stroke. Have either of you tried supplementing with lysine + ascorbic acid? ^^^ Fixed that. Chances are high that I will drop dead writing this message. Don't you! It might not be sufficient to get filed as a bicycle-related death. |
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 10:55:09 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote: You might be close with the fat/weight loss theory as it mentions some of the drugs used for weight loss can cause muscle breakdown. Why are you thinking that this vascularization is due to muscle breakdown? This guy is racing in the Tour de France. If he is having significant muscle breakdown, he would be unable to race his bike. I think the dramatic looks of the photos are the result of body fat loss from the race on top of the abnormally low body fat that pro cyclists have to begin with, engorgement from the day's stage, lighting angle and maybe some pre-race embrocation. Not to mention having shaved legs, of course. |
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 19:34:44 +0200, Sepp Ruf
wrote: Have either of you tried supplementing with lysine + ascorbic acid? Yes. When I had the muscle aches, it helped a little. More effective was magnesium taurate or magnesium citrate. I measured how much ascorbic acid I was dumping in my urine and concluded that none of it was being absorbed. I'm rather wary of such supplements as I've had some minor adverse reactions with my prescription drugs in the past. Hint: Never take any drugs you can't pronounce. Chances are high that I will drop dead writing this message. Don't you! It might not be sufficient to get filed as a bicycle-related death. Since I'm still riding my indoor exercise bicycle, it's a likely possibility. After reading the article on rhabdomyolysis and the risks of excessive exercise, I've decided to do something about the problem. I've stopped reading such articles. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 12:26:00 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Snipped Just about anything in sufficient dosage and over extended periods is dangerous. You can get sick from drinking too much water. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 You can get DEAD from drinking too much water. See hyponatremia. Cheers |
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:10:23 -0500, Tim McNamara
wrote: On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 10:55:09 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote: You might be close with the fat/weight loss theory as it mentions some of the drugs used for weight loss can cause muscle breakdown. Why are you thinking that this vascularization is due to muscle breakdown? This guy is racing in the Tour de France. If he is having significant muscle breakdown, he would be unable to race his bike. No. My comment was in reference to the question about what was causing the muscle breakdown. We know that it was initiated by a dramatic increase in exercise at a spin class, but the exact failure mechanism is unknown. The question was whether it was caused by fat loss or insufficient blood flow. My guess(tm) was insufficient blood flow, which I have NOT been able to substantiate, yet. I think the dramatic looks of the photos are the result of body fat loss from the race on top of the abnormally low body fat that pro cyclists have to begin with, engorgement from the day's stage, lighting angle and maybe some pre-race embrocation. Not to mention having shaved legs, of course. Dunno. I would need to determine the normal size of the visible blood vessels and compare them with the sizes of the racer in the photo. Also, the number of capillaries to check if there has been any increase (angiogenesis). If the inside diameter and/or number of blood vessels has been significantly increased, that means that his body has responded to the repeated demands for more blood flow by enlarging the inside diameter. Making the comparision after a race is not really a valid comparison. I don't know if there is any tie in with body fat in this process. Disclaimer: This is very much outside of my areas of experise. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 14:53:57 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote: On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 12:26:00 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote: Snipped Just about anything in sufficient dosage and over extended periods is dangerous. You can get sick from drinking too much water. You can get DEAD from drinking too much water. See hyponatremia. Cheers Yep. I know a couple that did that to themselves. Someone convinced them that everyone was perpetually dehydrated and that they should drink some outrageous amount of water per day. So, they carried around water bottles wherever they went and drank from them almost continuously. I don't recall exactly how long it took for both of them to land in the hospital but I think it was about 6 months. "Hyponatremia: Epidemiology" https://www.aace.com/sites/all/files/blevins_hyponatremia_ss2013AM.pdf Looks like it's fairly common: 15% of hospitalized patients 1% incidence and 2.5% prevalence 67% of cases were hospital acquired. 18-22% incidence in chronic care facilities It gets worse: 104 patients with Na+ 125 mEq/L in a 6 month period 42% of diagnoses incorrect 33% of patients with significant management errors Overall mortality 27% 41% in those with errors in management 20% in those managed appropriately Oh, swell. Go to the hospital and get even more sick or die. Yes, water is dangerous. http://www.dhmo.org -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 9:12:55 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 14:53:57 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 12:26:00 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote: Snipped Just about anything in sufficient dosage and over extended periods is dangerous. You can get sick from drinking too much water. You can get DEAD from drinking too much water. See hyponatremia. Cheers Yep. I know a couple that did that to themselves. Someone convinced them that everyone was perpetually dehydrated and that they should drink some outrageous amount of water per day. So, they carried around water bottles wherever they went and drank from them almost continuously. I don't recall exactly how long it took for both of them to land in the hospital but I think it was about 6 months. "Hyponatremia: Epidemiology" https://www.aace.com/sites/all/files/blevins_hyponatremia_ss2013AM.pdf Looks like it's fairly common: 15% of hospitalized patients 1% incidence and 2.5% prevalence 67% of cases were hospital acquired. 18-22% incidence in chronic care facilities It gets worse: 104 patients with Na+ 125 mEq/L in a 6 month period 42% of diagnoses incorrect 33% of patients with significant management errors Overall mortality 27% 41% in those with errors in management 20% in those managed appropriately Oh, swell. Go to the hospital and get even more sick or die. Yes, water is dangerous. http://www.dhmo.org -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 Another problm with too much water in the system is thatthe symptoms can mimic too little water in the system and a rushed overworked medicla person can make a mistake (sometimes a fatal mistake) and give the patient/victim more fluids that alone don't restore the electrolyte balance. Cheers p.s. My grandad used to say that if you were not sick when you went to a hospital you would be when you came out. |
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On 7/21/2017 8:39 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 9:12:55 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 14:53:57 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 12:26:00 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote: Snipped Just about anything in sufficient dosage and over extended periods is dangerous. You can get sick from drinking too much water. You can get DEAD from drinking too much water. See hyponatremia. Cheers Yep. I know a couple that did that to themselves. Someone convinced them that everyone was perpetually dehydrated and that they should drink some outrageous amount of water per day. So, they carried around water bottles wherever they went and drank from them almost continuously. I don't recall exactly how long it took for both of them to land in the hospital but I think it was about 6 months. "Hyponatremia: Epidemiology" https://www.aace.com/sites/all/files/blevins_hyponatremia_ss2013AM.pdf Looks like it's fairly common: 15% of hospitalized patients 1% incidence and 2.5% prevalence 67% of cases were hospital acquired. 18-22% incidence in chronic care facilities It gets worse: 104 patients with Na+ 125 mEq/L in a 6 month period 42% of diagnoses incorrect 33% of patients with significant management errors Overall mortality 27% 41% in those with errors in management 20% in those managed appropriately Oh, swell. Go to the hospital and get even more sick or die. Yes, water is dangerous. http://www.dhmo.org -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 Another problm with too much water in the system is thatthe symptoms can mimic too little water in the system and a rushed overworked medicla person can make a mistake (sometimes a fatal mistake) and give the patient/victim more fluids that alone don't restore the electrolyte balance. Cheers p.s. My grandad used to say that if you were not sick when you went to a hospital you would be when you came out. If not feet-first: http://hospitalinfection.org/archive...ired-infection -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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