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Cyclist dies after crash during Tour of Colombia
http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug...v=ap&type=lgns
Cyclist dies after crash during Tour of Colombia June 11, 2004 BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) -- A cyclist was killed Friday when he crashed during the fifth stage of the Tour of Colombia. Juan Barrero, a 31-year-old Colombian, suffered serious head injuries after he got tangled up with other cyclists and fell while negotiating a fast downhill curve. He had a cardiac arrest and died while being transported from a small hospital to a larger one, said Orlando Cardona, director of the San Vicente de Paul Hospital, located about 100 miles west of Bogota. Two other cyclists were also injured in the crash, Cardona said. ``The fall was massive and Juan took the brunt of it,'' said his brother, Manuel Barrero, also riding in the tour. |
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Cyclist dies after crash during Tour of Colombia
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 19:31:20 +0100, "Tony Raven"
wrote: http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug...v=ap&type=lgns Cyclist dies after crash during Tour of Colombia June 11, 2004 BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) -- A cyclist was killed Friday when he crashed during the fifth stage of the Tour of Colombia. Juan Barrero, a 31-year-old Colombian, suffered serious head injuries after he got tangled up with other cyclists and fell while negotiating a fast downhill curve. He had a cardiac arrest and died while being transported from a small hospital to a larger one, said Orlando Cardona, director of the San Vicente de Paul Hospital, located about 100 miles west of Bogota. Two other cyclists were also injured in the crash, Cardona said. ``The fall was massive and Juan took the brunt of it,'' said his brother, Manuel Barrero, also riding in the tour. And yes, he was wearing a helmet: http://www.dailypeloton.com/displayarticle.asp?pk=6391 What should have been a day of epic cycling, with the main contenders battling it out on the first real mountain stage of the 54th Vuelta a Colombia, from Santa Rosa de Cabral to Jericó over 171 km. turned a day of sadness and tragedy as the 31-year-old cyclist Juan Barrero of the Alcaldía de Fusagasugá-Juegos Nacionales 2004 team lost his life after falling heavily on a descent, less than nine minutes into the stage. Riding at a speed of about 80 km., the man got tangled up with other cyclists and fell while negotiating a fast downhill curve. He hit a rock and, despite wearing a helmet, reportedly suffered serious head and thorax injuries, and later had a cardiac arrest; Barrero died while being transported from the Hospital de Santa Rosa de Cabal to the larger "San Jorge de Pereira", located about 100 miles west of Bogotá, said Hospital director Orlando Cardona. Two other riders, Barrero's teammate Victor Hugo González, who fractured his wrist and collarbone, and Óscar Santo Álvarez, that had some bruises on his left arm and thigh, were also involved and injured in the pile-up, Cardona said. González was the only one that briefly commented "We were on the descent between Santa Rosa and Chinchiná, everything was going fine, but the road was wet, and all of sudden we found ourselves on the ground". "The fall was massive and Juan took the brunt of it," Juan's brother Manuel Barrero, also riding in the tour, added. Born in Facatativá on May 9, 1973, Juan Antonio Barrero had been a professional rider for eight years, most of which in the ranks of his current team. Barrero took part in several editions of the Vuelta a Colombia as well as other races like Clásico RCN, Vuelta a Chiriquí and the Tour of Costarica, and more local events in his home country. He was Cundinamarca Provincial Champion both in 1998 and the past season, and this year notched up a stage victory at Clásica de Fusagasugá. |
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Cyclist dies after crash during Tour of Colombia
From the cyclingnew.com site
'Death in Tour of Colombia ....The fall occurred some five minutes after the start, but due to the descent the peloton was already descending at high speed. Other riders said the turn was slick with some type of liquid on the surface. Barrero suffered injuries to the head, cervical area, and the thorax area. Ambulance attention was immediate and all resuscitation measures were given at the hospital. All three riders were wearing appropriate helmets.' Look out for all the 'cycle helmet again fails to save cyclist in crash' headlines... |
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12mph helmets (was Cyclist dies after crash during Tour of Colombia)
They were probably wearing bicycle helmets, which are appropriate for
up to about 12mph (about 19Km/h) I'm not quite sure where this 12mph figure comes from? In the Snell standards (http://www.smf.org/stds.html) helmets are tested by simulating a 2.2 metre fall onto a flat anvil or 1.3 metres onto other surfaces. It's a long time since I did any physics so this may be incorrect: S=0.5at^2 = 2.2=0.5*10*t^2 t = sqrt(2.2/(0.5*10)) V = at = 6.6 m/s which corresponds to about 23kmh ~= 15mph which is in the right ball park? also a 1.3m drop ~= 11.4mph impact I'm left wondering how well this simulates being thrown over the handlebars, where you have your whole body weight behind your head - the tests just use a 5kg dummy head. If you go ice skating and aren't better than me, you'll find that it doesn't hurt much more if you fall over at speed compared to if you fall over whilst standing still - unless you slide into something. On the same principle, presumably a 12mph helmet might give some useful protection if you fall off at high speed but scrape to a halt on the road without hitting anything else. Or else fall off, scrape almost-but-not-quite to a halt, then hit something? An appropriate helmet would have been a heavy-duty motorbike helmet. Interestingly, motorcycle helmet drop distances are 3m and 2.2m respectively - not as large a difference as I expected. Though I guess there's more to their differences than impact absorbtion then again, that'd just have resulted in a spate of 'cyclists die from heat prostration' stories. On a related topic, I wonder how big a drop in cycling we would see if helmets were made compulsory in the uk? I can see how wearing a cycle helmet might be onerous in Australia because it's hot. I imagine that's less of a problem here (so far). Incidentally (to state my position), I currently wear a helmet about 50% of the time. I'm opposed to helmet compulsion but undecided whether to wear one myself. I am interested in the theory that helmets increase torsional injuries, and I accept they're far from the panacea they're made out to be. AC |
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12mph helmets (was Cyclist dies after crash during Tour of Colombia)
There are a number of differing standards for helmets, the highest one
give a 15 MPH rating, the others 12 MPH or so. In reality many helmets when independenty tested fail to even meet these standards and when incorrectly worn quite possibly no protection at all. The main point about the impact absorbtion abilities of helmets is that the sort of impacts they can absorb, be they sustained in a low or a high speed fall, are unlikely to be life threatening in any case. In an impact high enough to be life threatening a helmet has such a low ability to absorb impacts it will make little or no difference and may well just fail catastrophically. As the energy that has to be dissipated in a crash rises with the square of the speed a rough estimate of the forces involved can be calculated as follows: At 12 MPH the force would be 12 squared x mass. Lets give the mass, a standard value of 1 so we can compare the effects of speed. This gives a value of 144 at 12 MPH. At 42 mph the force would be 42 squared x 1 = 1764. Substracting the tested ability of a helmet to absorb energy from this this leaves 1620, which still equates to 40.2 MPH, still very likely to result in a fatality. When it comes to 'road safety' helmets are a serious distraction away from the real issues: reducing the number of collisions that occur and reducing vehicle speeds to a low enough level that colisions are survivable when they do occur. For one I would accept the compulsory wearing of helmets to give protection from minor injuries, and the odd rare serious injury, at speeds below 15 MPH if vehicle speeds were restricted to 15 MPH to prevent all those serious injuries that occur above 15 MPH. (Given current police guidelines 15 MPH would be enforced at almost 20 MPH but with ISA systems that guarantee motor vehicles could not exceed 20 MPh I might support a universal 20 MPH limit in towns and on country lanes). |
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12mph helmets (was Cyclist dies after crash during Tour of Colombia)
anonymous coward wrote:
I'm not quite sure where this 12mph figure comes from? In the Snell standards (http://www.smf.org/stds.html) helmets are tested by simulating a 2.2 metre fall onto a flat anvil or 1.3 metres onto other surfaces. Pop into your LBS some time and try to find a Snell certified helmet. The helmet makers pushed through a much lower set of standards to allow them to produce something which was (a) cheaper to make for the same sale price and (b) more acceptable to users who don't like having their heads boiled when the ambient temperature is above freezing. -- Guy === May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk Victory is ours! Down with Eric the Half A Brain! |
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12mph helmets (was Cyclist dies after crash during Tour of Colombia)
in message , anonymous
coward ') wrote: They were probably wearing bicycle helmets, which are appropriate for up to about 12mph (about 19Km/h) I'm not quite sure where this 12mph figure comes from? In the Snell standards (http://www.smf.org/stds.html) helmets are tested by simulating a 2.2 metre fall onto a flat anvil or 1.3 metres onto other surfaces. It's a long time since I did any physics so this may be incorrect: S=0.5at^2 = 2.2=0.5*10*t^2 t = sqrt(2.2/(0.5*10)) V = at = 6.6 m/s which corresponds to about 23kmh ~= 15mph which is in the right ball park? also a 1.3m drop ~= 11.4mph impact Yup. When I calculated it out I rounded that up to 12mph which is probably where the 12mph figure comes from. I'm left wondering how well this simulates being thrown over the handlebars, where you have your whole body weight behind your head - the tests just use a 5kg dummy head. It's a joke, isn't it? I mean, if you topple over sideways with your bike stationary that almost gives the 15mph impact since your head started about 2m up. But if (as has never yet happened to me) you go over the handlebars, you must have considerable forward momentum - you cannot conceivably go over the handlebars with the bike stationary - and that forward momentum must add to the speed of impact. So an 'over the bars' fall with no other vehicle involved onto a flat road must in most cases exceed the design parameters of a helmet. If the surface you fall on isn't flat... It's crazy! -- (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ Tony Blair's epitaph, #1: Here lies Tony Blair. Tony Blair's epitaph, #2: Trust me. |
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12mph helmets (was Cyclist dies after crash during Tour of Colombia)
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:31:30 -0700, Howard wrote:
There are a number of differing standards for helmets, the highest one give a 15 MPH rating, the others 12 MPH or so. In reality many helmets when independenty tested fail to even meet these standards and when incorrectly worn quite possibly no protection at all. The main point about the impact absorbtion abilities of helmets is that the sort of impacts they can absorb, be they sustained in a low or a high speed fall, are unlikely to be life threatening in any case. I've read a few newspaper articles to the effect that someone has been punched, fallen and hit their head against a kerbstone and died. I wonder whether low-speed impacts generally _are_ innocuous, or whether we're so good at protecting our noggins that they _seem_ innocuous because we manage to avoid or mitigate most of them? In an impact high enough to be life threatening a helmet has such a low ability to absorb impacts it will make little or no difference and may well just fail catastrophically. As the energy that has to be dissipated in a crash rises with the square of the speed a rough estimate of the forces involved can be calculated as follows: At 12 MPH the force would be 12 squared x mass. Lets give the mass, a standard value of 1 so we can compare the effects of speed. This gives a value of 144 at 12 MPH. At 42 mph the force would be 42 squared x 1 = 1764. Substracting the tested ability of a helmet to absorb energy from this this leaves 1620, which still equates to 40.2 MPH, still very likely to result in a fatality. You haven't addressed my main point at all, which is that in real-life collisions the energy of any individual impact does not have to be equal to the total energy theoretically available in a collision occuring at that speed. For example, imagine a van pulls out of a side junction, and I hit it sideways on (90 degrees) at 12mph. Let's assume for the sake of argument that it does what the label says and can prevent me from suffering brain damage under these circumstances. Now imagine that a car pulls over to park on my side of the road, and I have a head-on collision with it with a closing speed of 24mph. If the windscreen is at an angle of 30 degrees my head will impact it at only 12mph (24 x sin(30)) so I may still be OK. As you've pointed out, a 24mph collision has to burn off 4x the energy of a 12mph collision so I'll still be moving, but if I'm lucky I may get away with it. This is all horribly artificial, but I have hit a van at maybe 8mph without hitting my head at all. So presumably a helmet might help in scenario 1 even if the impact speed is a bit higher than 12 mph. When it comes to 'road safety' helmets are a serious distraction away from the real issues: reducing the number of collisions that occur and reducing vehicle speeds to a low enough level that collisions are survivable when they do occur. I too would put helmets third. But I genuinely haven't yet made up my own mind whether I think helmets are a 'might as well' option or 'useless and possibly dangerous'. For one I would accept the compulsory wearing of helmets to give protection from minor injuries, and the odd rare serious injury, at speeds below 15 MPH if vehicle speeds were restricted to 15 MPH to prevent all those serious injuries that occur above 15 MPH. (Given current police guidelines 15 MPH would be enforced at almost 20 MPH but with ISA systems that guarantee motor vehicles could not exceed 20 MPh I might support a universal 20 MPH limit in towns and on country lanes). Shouldn't your limit be 7.5mph - so that no collision can have a closing speed of more than 15mph? AC |
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12mph helmets (was Cyclist dies after crash during Tour ofColombia)
anonymous coward wrote:
I've read a few newspaper articles to the effect that someone has been punched, fallen and hit their head against a kerbstone and died. I wonder whether low-speed impacts generally _are_ innocuous, or whether we're so good at protecting our noggins that they _seem_ innocuous because we manage to avoid or mitigate most of them? Quite probably a bit of both. I'd guess /most/ are innocuous (but can still be painful) but you can get really unlucky and catch a sensitive spot at the wrong angle. I've heard of a case of a death slipping getting out of the bath, when the victim would presumably not have been in a Big Hurry and probably fairly with it. Plus it is a natural reaction to protect one's head. Now imagine that a car pulls over to park on my side of the road, and I have a head-on collision with it with a closing speed of 24mph. If the windscreen is at an angle of 30 degrees my head will impact it at only 12mph (24 x sin(30)) No, it will impact it at 24 mph. There may well be a deflection effect so you don't soak up as much energy, but it'll still be travelling at 24 mph. And the deflection effect may or may not be a good thing, if you remember all that stuff about rotational effects etc. This is all horribly artificial Isn't it just. So that's why whole population studies tend to be treated as more useful than individual what-ifs. They don't show any recognisable aid from lids in KSIs. I too would put helmets third. But I genuinely haven't yet made up my own mind whether I think helmets are a 'might as well' option or 'useless and possibly dangerous'. I personally think neither of the above. "Might as well" assumes there are no downsides, but if you find that a snugly fitting shell of non-breathable material (vents can only do so much) with a snug chinstrap has zero comfort difference then your head is very different to mine. I think they are potentially useful in reducing the effects of painful but minor accidents, but they give a level of discomfort 100% of the time, so it's a case of "you choose, you lose". I'm not in the habit of falling off when I'm on the roads, so these days I tend not to bother. I am in the habit of falling off the MTB if I'm Going For It, and comfort is a minor issue in those cases anyway, so I will wear it there. So I regard them for most of the cycling I do as "not useful enough to overcome the downside of being relatively uncomfortable all the time", which isn't the same as either of your options above. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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