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Old October 26th 15, 09:26 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may need to
change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said.

Last year a Freedom of Information request by BBC's Newsbeat found that
between 2007 and 2014 there were 276 recorded incidents where a cyclist
was killed in an accident involving a motor vehicle.
Of these, 148 - 54% - resulted in the driver of the vehicle being
charged with an offence. Of those found guilty, fewer than half went to
prison.
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Old October 26th 15, 09:48 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Monday, 26 October 2015 08:26:41 UTC, Bod wrote:
The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may need to
change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said.


There is something wrong when a killer driver gets off because he believes in sky fairies.

http://road.cc/content/news/169124-s...killed-cyclist
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Old October 26th 15, 09:57 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 26/10/2015 08:48, Alycidon wrote:
On Monday, 26 October 2015 08:26:41 UTC, Bod wrote:
The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may need to
change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said.


There is something wrong when a killer driver gets off because he believes in sky fairies.

http://road.cc/content/news/169124-s...killed-cyclist

Unbelievable!
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Old October 26th 15, 12:16 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 26/10/2015 08:26, Bod wrote:

The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may need to
change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said.


Last year a Freedom of Information request by BBC's Newsbeat found that
between 2007 and 2014 there were 276 recorded incidents where a cyclist
was killed in an accident involving a motor vehicle.
Of these, 148 - 54% - resulted in the driver of the vehicle being
charged with an offence. Of those found guilty, fewer than half went to
prison.


Why need anything "change"?

276/7 = 39 (rounded).

Less than one per week.

A significant proportion of those seem to occur in circumstances where
the cyclist is attempting to undertake a large vehicle (bus, lorry)
which is turning left.

You say the lorry- or bus-driver should go to jail anyway, do you?
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Old October 26th 15, 12:27 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 26/10/2015 11:16, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2015 08:26, Bod wrote:

The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may need to
change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said.


Last year a Freedom of Information request by BBC's Newsbeat found that
between 2007 and 2014 there were 276 recorded incidents where a cyclist
was killed in an accident involving a motor vehicle.
Of these, 148 - 54% - resulted in the driver of the vehicle being
charged with an offence. Of those found guilty, fewer than half went to
prison.


Why need anything "change"?

276/7 = 39 (rounded).

Less than one per week.

A significant proportion of those seem to occur in circumstances where
the cyclist is attempting to undertake a large vehicle (bus, lorry)
which is turning left.

You say the lorry- or bus-driver should go to jail anyway, do you?

If it is deemed by a judge to be the lorry or bus driver's fault, then
of course.
BTW, it's in the highway code that any vehicle can undertake *if* the
traffic to their right is moving slower.

Undertaking - RAC
www.rac.co.uk › Forum › Driving › General Driving Discussion
8 Sep 2011 - 10 posts - ‎6 authors
stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on
your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left.
.... However, whilst there is no specific offence of undertaking, we
still have careless ...
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Old October 26th 15, 12:48 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Cycle death case handling 'may need to change'

On 26/10/2015 11:27, Bod wrote:

On 26/10/2015 11:16, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2015 08:26, Bod wrote:


The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may need to
change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said.


Last year a Freedom of Information request by BBC's Newsbeat found that
between 2007 and 2014 there were 276 recorded incidents where a cyclist
was killed in an accident involving a motor vehicle.
Of these, 148 - 54% - resulted in the driver of the vehicle being
charged with an offence. Of those found guilty, fewer than half went to
prison.


Why need anything "change"?
276/7 = 39 (rounded).
Less than one per week.


A significant proportion of those seem to occur in circumstances where
the cyclist is attempting to undertake a large vehicle (bus, lorry)
which is turning left.


You say the lorry- or bus-driver should go to jail anyway, do you?


If it is deemed by a judge to be the lorry or bus driver's fault, then
of course.


We use the jury system in the UK.

BTW, it's in the highway code that any vehicle can undertake *if* the
traffic to their right is moving slower.


But not that they may undertake when the vehicle ahead is turning left.
And that's the issue.

Undertaking - RAC
www.rac.co.uk › Forum › Driving › General Driving Discussion
8 Sep 2011 - 10 posts - ‎6 authors
stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on
your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left.
... However, whilst there is no specific offence of undertaking, we
still have careless ...


....yes... and?
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Old October 26th 15, 12:52 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bod[_5_]
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Default Cycle death case handling 'may need to change'

On 26/10/2015 11:48, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2015 11:27, Bod wrote:

On 26/10/2015 11:16, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2015 08:26, Bod wrote:


The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may
need to
change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said.


Last year a Freedom of Information request by BBC's Newsbeat found that
between 2007 and 2014 there were 276 recorded incidents where a cyclist
was killed in an accident involving a motor vehicle.
Of these, 148 - 54% - resulted in the driver of the vehicle being
charged with an offence. Of those found guilty, fewer than half went to
prison.


Why need anything "change"?
276/7 = 39 (rounded).
Less than one per week.


A significant proportion of those seem to occur in circumstances where
the cyclist is attempting to undertake a large vehicle (bus, lorry)
which is turning left.


You say the lorry- or bus-driver should go to jail anyway, do you?


If it is deemed by a judge to be the lorry or bus driver's fault, then
of course.


We use the jury system in the UK.

BTW, it's in the highway code that any vehicle can undertake *if* the
traffic to their right is moving slower.


But not that they may undertake when the vehicle ahead is turning left.
And that's the issue.

Undertaking - RAC
www.rac.co.uk › Forum › Driving › General Driving Discussion
8 Sep 2011 - 10 posts - ‎6 authors
stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on
your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left.
... However, whilst there is no specific offence of undertaking, we
still have careless ...


...yes... and?

You're the one who brought up undertaking. I'm just clarifying the
legality of such a manouvre.
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Old October 26th 15, 12:54 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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Default Cycle death case handling 'may need to change'

On 26/10/2015 11:52, Bod wrote:
On 26/10/2015 11:48, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2015 11:27, Bod wrote:

On 26/10/2015 11:16, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2015 08:26, Bod wrote:

The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may
need to
change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said.

Last year a Freedom of Information request by BBC's Newsbeat found
that
between 2007 and 2014 there were 276 recorded incidents where a
cyclist
was killed in an accident involving a motor vehicle.
Of these, 148 - 54% - resulted in the driver of the vehicle being
charged with an offence. Of those found guilty, fewer than half
went to
prison.

Why need anything "change"?
276/7 = 39 (rounded).
Less than one per week.

A significant proportion of those seem to occur in circumstances where
the cyclist is attempting to undertake a large vehicle (bus, lorry)
which is turning left.

You say the lorry- or bus-driver should go to jail anyway, do you?

If it is deemed by a judge to be the lorry or bus driver's fault, then
of course.


We use the jury system in the UK.


You know what a jury is, yes?

BTW, it's in the highway code that any vehicle can undertake *if* the
traffic to their right is moving slower.


But not that they may undertake when the vehicle ahead is turning left.
And that's the issue.


Undertaking - RAC
www.rac.co.uk › Forum › Driving › General Driving Discussion
8 Sep 2011 - 10 posts - ‎6 authors
stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on
your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left.
... However, whilst there is no specific offence of undertaking, we
still have careless ...


...yes... and?


You're the one who brought up undertaking. I'm just clarifying the
legality of such a manouvre.


Surely you'd be better dealing with the stupidity of such a manoeuvre
*when* *the* *large* *vehicle* *in* *front* *is* *turning* *left*?


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Old October 26th 15, 01:03 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bod[_5_]
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Default Cycle death case handling 'may need to change'

On 26/10/2015 11:54, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2015 11:52, Bod wrote:
On 26/10/2015 11:48, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2015 11:27, Bod wrote:

On 26/10/2015 11:16, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2015 08:26, Bod wrote:

The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may
need to
change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said.

Last year a Freedom of Information request by BBC's Newsbeat found
that
between 2007 and 2014 there were 276 recorded incidents where a
cyclist
was killed in an accident involving a motor vehicle.
Of these, 148 - 54% - resulted in the driver of the vehicle being
charged with an offence. Of those found guilty, fewer than half
went to
prison.

Why need anything "change"?
276/7 = 39 (rounded).
Less than one per week.

A significant proportion of those seem to occur in circumstances where
the cyclist is attempting to undertake a large vehicle (bus, lorry)
which is turning left.

You say the lorry- or bus-driver should go to jail anyway, do you?

If it is deemed by a judge to be the lorry or bus driver's fault, then
of course.

We use the jury system in the UK.


You know what a jury is, yes?

BTW, it's in the highway code that any vehicle can undertake *if* the
traffic to their right is moving slower.


But not that they may undertake when the vehicle ahead is turning left.
And that's the issue.


Undertaking - RAC
www.rac.co.uk › Forum › Driving › General Driving Discussion
8 Sep 2011 - 10 posts - ‎6 authors
stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the
queue on
your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the
left.
... However, whilst there is no specific offence of undertaking, we
still have careless ...


...yes... and?


You're the one who brought up undertaking. I'm just clarifying the
legality of such a manouvre.


Surely you'd be better dealing with the stupidity of such a manoeuvre
*when* *the* *large* *vehicle* *in* *front* *is* *turning* *left*?


I do "deal" with that manouvre safely, hence an accident free 61 years
of driving in *all* types of vehicles. Common sense are the keywords,
which applies to all types of vehicles.
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Old October 26th 15, 01:15 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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Default Cycle death case handling 'may need to change'

On 26/10/2015 12:03, Bod wrote:

On 26/10/2015 11:54, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2015 11:52, Bod wrote:
On 26/10/2015 11:48, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2015 11:27, Bod wrote:
On 26/10/2015 11:16, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2015 08:26, Bod wrote:


The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may
need to change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said.


Last year a Freedom of Information request by BBC's Newsbeat found
that between 2007 and 2014 there were 276 recorded incidents where
a cyclist was killed in an accident involving a motor vehicle.
Of these, 148 - 54% - resulted in the driver of the vehicle being
charged with an offence. Of those found guilty, fewer than half
went to prison.


Why need anything "change"?
276/7 = 39 (rounded).
Less than one per week.


A significant proportion of those seem to occur in circumstances
where the cyclist is attempting to undertake a large vehicle (bus,
lorry) which is turning left.
You say the lorry- or bus-driver should go to jail anyway, do you?


If it is deemed by a judge to be the lorry or bus driver's fault, then
of course.


We use the jury system in the UK.


You know what a jury is, yes?


BTW, it's in the highway code that any vehicle can undertake *if* the
traffic to their right is moving slower.


But not that they may undertake when the vehicle ahead is turning left.
And that's the issue.


Undertaking - RAC
www.rac.co.uk › Forum › Driving › General Driving Discussion
8 Sep 2011 - 10 posts - ‎6 authors
stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the
queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may
pass on the left.
... However, whilst there is no specific offence of undertaking,
we still have careless ...


...yes... and?


You're the one who brought up undertaking. I'm just clarifying the
legality of such a manouvre.


Surely you'd be better dealing with the stupidity of such a manoeuvre
*when* *the* *large* *vehicle* *in* *front* *is* *turning* *left*?


I do "deal" with that manouvre safely, hence an accident free 61 years
of driving in *all* types of vehicles. Common sense are the keywords,
which applies to all types of vehicles.


Indeed.

I know you are not trying to suggest that lorries and buses should not
be allowed to turn left.

At least, I hope you're not.



 




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