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Cycle death case handling 'may need to change'
The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may need to
change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said. Last year a Freedom of Information request by BBC's Newsbeat found that between 2007 and 2014 there were 276 recorded incidents where a cyclist was killed in an accident involving a motor vehicle. Of these, 148 - 54% - resulted in the driver of the vehicle being charged with an offence. Of those found guilty, fewer than half went to prison. |
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Cycle death case handling 'may need to change'
On Monday, 26 October 2015 08:26:41 UTC, Bod wrote:
The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may need to change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said. There is something wrong when a killer driver gets off because he believes in sky fairies. http://road.cc/content/news/169124-s...killed-cyclist |
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Cycle death case handling 'may need to change'
On 26/10/2015 08:48, Alycidon wrote:
On Monday, 26 October 2015 08:26:41 UTC, Bod wrote: The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may need to change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said. There is something wrong when a killer driver gets off because he believes in sky fairies. http://road.cc/content/news/169124-s...killed-cyclist Unbelievable! |
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Cycle death case handling 'may need to change'
On 26/10/2015 08:26, Bod wrote:
The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may need to change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said. Last year a Freedom of Information request by BBC's Newsbeat found that between 2007 and 2014 there were 276 recorded incidents where a cyclist was killed in an accident involving a motor vehicle. Of these, 148 - 54% - resulted in the driver of the vehicle being charged with an offence. Of those found guilty, fewer than half went to prison. Why need anything "change"? 276/7 = 39 (rounded). Less than one per week. A significant proportion of those seem to occur in circumstances where the cyclist is attempting to undertake a large vehicle (bus, lorry) which is turning left. You say the lorry- or bus-driver should go to jail anyway, do you? |
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Cycle death case handling 'may need to change'
On 26/10/2015 11:16, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2015 08:26, Bod wrote: The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may need to change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said. Last year a Freedom of Information request by BBC's Newsbeat found that between 2007 and 2014 there were 276 recorded incidents where a cyclist was killed in an accident involving a motor vehicle. Of these, 148 - 54% - resulted in the driver of the vehicle being charged with an offence. Of those found guilty, fewer than half went to prison. Why need anything "change"? 276/7 = 39 (rounded). Less than one per week. A significant proportion of those seem to occur in circumstances where the cyclist is attempting to undertake a large vehicle (bus, lorry) which is turning left. You say the lorry- or bus-driver should go to jail anyway, do you? If it is deemed by a judge to be the lorry or bus driver's fault, then of course. BTW, it's in the highway code that any vehicle can undertake *if* the traffic to their right is moving slower. Undertaking - RAC www.rac.co.uk › Forum › Driving › General Driving Discussion 8 Sep 2011 - 10 posts - ‎6 authors stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left. .... However, whilst there is no specific offence of undertaking, we still have careless ... |
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Cycle death case handling 'may need to change'
On 26/10/2015 11:27, Bod wrote:
On 26/10/2015 11:16, JNugent wrote: On 26/10/2015 08:26, Bod wrote: The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may need to change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said. Last year a Freedom of Information request by BBC's Newsbeat found that between 2007 and 2014 there were 276 recorded incidents where a cyclist was killed in an accident involving a motor vehicle. Of these, 148 - 54% - resulted in the driver of the vehicle being charged with an offence. Of those found guilty, fewer than half went to prison. Why need anything "change"? 276/7 = 39 (rounded). Less than one per week. A significant proportion of those seem to occur in circumstances where the cyclist is attempting to undertake a large vehicle (bus, lorry) which is turning left. You say the lorry- or bus-driver should go to jail anyway, do you? If it is deemed by a judge to be the lorry or bus driver's fault, then of course. We use the jury system in the UK. BTW, it's in the highway code that any vehicle can undertake *if* the traffic to their right is moving slower. But not that they may undertake when the vehicle ahead is turning left. And that's the issue. Undertaking - RAC www.rac.co.uk › Forum › Driving › General Driving Discussion 8 Sep 2011 - 10 posts - ‎6 authors stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left. ... However, whilst there is no specific offence of undertaking, we still have careless ... ....yes... and? |
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Cycle death case handling 'may need to change'
On 26/10/2015 11:48, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2015 11:27, Bod wrote: On 26/10/2015 11:16, JNugent wrote: On 26/10/2015 08:26, Bod wrote: The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may need to change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said. Last year a Freedom of Information request by BBC's Newsbeat found that between 2007 and 2014 there were 276 recorded incidents where a cyclist was killed in an accident involving a motor vehicle. Of these, 148 - 54% - resulted in the driver of the vehicle being charged with an offence. Of those found guilty, fewer than half went to prison. Why need anything "change"? 276/7 = 39 (rounded). Less than one per week. A significant proportion of those seem to occur in circumstances where the cyclist is attempting to undertake a large vehicle (bus, lorry) which is turning left. You say the lorry- or bus-driver should go to jail anyway, do you? If it is deemed by a judge to be the lorry or bus driver's fault, then of course. We use the jury system in the UK. BTW, it's in the highway code that any vehicle can undertake *if* the traffic to their right is moving slower. But not that they may undertake when the vehicle ahead is turning left. And that's the issue. Undertaking - RAC www.rac.co.uk › Forum › Driving › General Driving Discussion 8 Sep 2011 - 10 posts - ‎6 authors stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left. ... However, whilst there is no specific offence of undertaking, we still have careless ... ...yes... and? You're the one who brought up undertaking. I'm just clarifying the legality of such a manouvre. |
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Cycle death case handling 'may need to change'
On 26/10/2015 11:52, Bod wrote:
On 26/10/2015 11:48, JNugent wrote: On 26/10/2015 11:27, Bod wrote: On 26/10/2015 11:16, JNugent wrote: On 26/10/2015 08:26, Bod wrote: The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may need to change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said. Last year a Freedom of Information request by BBC's Newsbeat found that between 2007 and 2014 there were 276 recorded incidents where a cyclist was killed in an accident involving a motor vehicle. Of these, 148 - 54% - resulted in the driver of the vehicle being charged with an offence. Of those found guilty, fewer than half went to prison. Why need anything "change"? 276/7 = 39 (rounded). Less than one per week. A significant proportion of those seem to occur in circumstances where the cyclist is attempting to undertake a large vehicle (bus, lorry) which is turning left. You say the lorry- or bus-driver should go to jail anyway, do you? If it is deemed by a judge to be the lorry or bus driver's fault, then of course. We use the jury system in the UK. You know what a jury is, yes? BTW, it's in the highway code that any vehicle can undertake *if* the traffic to their right is moving slower. But not that they may undertake when the vehicle ahead is turning left. And that's the issue. Undertaking - RAC www.rac.co.uk › Forum › Driving › General Driving Discussion 8 Sep 2011 - 10 posts - ‎6 authors stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left. ... However, whilst there is no specific offence of undertaking, we still have careless ... ...yes... and? You're the one who brought up undertaking. I'm just clarifying the legality of such a manouvre. Surely you'd be better dealing with the stupidity of such a manoeuvre *when* *the* *large* *vehicle* *in* *front* *is* *turning* *left*? |
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Cycle death case handling 'may need to change'
On 26/10/2015 11:54, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2015 11:52, Bod wrote: On 26/10/2015 11:48, JNugent wrote: On 26/10/2015 11:27, Bod wrote: On 26/10/2015 11:16, JNugent wrote: On 26/10/2015 08:26, Bod wrote: The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may need to change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said. Last year a Freedom of Information request by BBC's Newsbeat found that between 2007 and 2014 there were 276 recorded incidents where a cyclist was killed in an accident involving a motor vehicle. Of these, 148 - 54% - resulted in the driver of the vehicle being charged with an offence. Of those found guilty, fewer than half went to prison. Why need anything "change"? 276/7 = 39 (rounded). Less than one per week. A significant proportion of those seem to occur in circumstances where the cyclist is attempting to undertake a large vehicle (bus, lorry) which is turning left. You say the lorry- or bus-driver should go to jail anyway, do you? If it is deemed by a judge to be the lorry or bus driver's fault, then of course. We use the jury system in the UK. You know what a jury is, yes? BTW, it's in the highway code that any vehicle can undertake *if* the traffic to their right is moving slower. But not that they may undertake when the vehicle ahead is turning left. And that's the issue. Undertaking - RAC www.rac.co.uk › Forum › Driving › General Driving Discussion 8 Sep 2011 - 10 posts - ‎6 authors stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left. ... However, whilst there is no specific offence of undertaking, we still have careless ... ...yes... and? You're the one who brought up undertaking. I'm just clarifying the legality of such a manouvre. Surely you'd be better dealing with the stupidity of such a manoeuvre *when* *the* *large* *vehicle* *in* *front* *is* *turning* *left*? I do "deal" with that manouvre safely, hence an accident free 61 years of driving in *all* types of vehicles. Common sense are the keywords, which applies to all types of vehicles. |
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Cycle death case handling 'may need to change'
On 26/10/2015 12:03, Bod wrote:
On 26/10/2015 11:54, JNugent wrote: On 26/10/2015 11:52, Bod wrote: On 26/10/2015 11:48, JNugent wrote: On 26/10/2015 11:27, Bod wrote: On 26/10/2015 11:16, JNugent wrote: On 26/10/2015 08:26, Bod wrote: The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may need to change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said. Last year a Freedom of Information request by BBC's Newsbeat found that between 2007 and 2014 there were 276 recorded incidents where a cyclist was killed in an accident involving a motor vehicle. Of these, 148 - 54% - resulted in the driver of the vehicle being charged with an offence. Of those found guilty, fewer than half went to prison. Why need anything "change"? 276/7 = 39 (rounded). Less than one per week. A significant proportion of those seem to occur in circumstances where the cyclist is attempting to undertake a large vehicle (bus, lorry) which is turning left. You say the lorry- or bus-driver should go to jail anyway, do you? If it is deemed by a judge to be the lorry or bus driver's fault, then of course. We use the jury system in the UK. You know what a jury is, yes? BTW, it's in the highway code that any vehicle can undertake *if* the traffic to their right is moving slower. But not that they may undertake when the vehicle ahead is turning left. And that's the issue. Undertaking - RAC www.rac.co.uk › Forum › Driving › General Driving Discussion 8 Sep 2011 - 10 posts - ‎6 authors stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left. ... However, whilst there is no specific offence of undertaking, we still have careless ... ...yes... and? You're the one who brought up undertaking. I'm just clarifying the legality of such a manouvre. Surely you'd be better dealing with the stupidity of such a manoeuvre *when* *the* *large* *vehicle* *in* *front* *is* *turning* *left*? I do "deal" with that manouvre safely, hence an accident free 61 years of driving in *all* types of vehicles. Common sense are the keywords, which applies to all types of vehicles. Indeed. I know you are not trying to suggest that lorries and buses should not be allowed to turn left. At least, I hope you're not. |
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